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Quote# 137445

So the world's science idol Stephen Hawking is dead. Sad to say, all the brains, scientific ideals and his outright atheism got him no closer to Heaven than six feet under. He's burning in Hell right now if he never accepted Christ. What a wasted life, deceiving and being deceived.

God Almighty will not be mocked. He sent His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to earth to die on the cross and take away your sins. Sadly Mr. Hawking was a God-hater, but now he wishes he could have one drop of water to cool his tongue. I'm certain that he believes in Jesus now, but alas, it's too late for him!!

Don't waste your life denying Jesus. He loved you enough to shed His precious blood for you. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

Silent Witness aka kingjameswriter1965, Google Plus 12 Comments [3/23/2018 11:26:55 AM]
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Quote# 137444

Muslim prayer in the education of the Catholic private-gymnasium

PI-NEWS has asked a theologian for an opinion on this affair. According to his view the following arguments are to be held against the proceeding of that school:

* A Catholic school is not allowed to proceed in opposition to the 1st commandment, which says clearly: "I am the Lord, you shall have no other Gods".
* "Allah is not the Christian God" - The God of the Qu'ran us a fully different God from the trinity of God as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The Qu'ran says that Jesus is a prophet.
* The Bible says in John 14, 6: "I am the way to the truth and life, nobody come to the Lord but through me (Jesus)". Islam knows no baptism.
* In Book Daniël 3 the believers are clearly being asked, not to praise the Gods of Nebukadnezar and to prefer dying in a fire oven.
* Only the awakening of a proyer is in the truth of a child a participation to the prayer. To level this down to pure respect is something that straightens my hair that especially later in school life will be remembered by no one.

Further the following can be said:

* Many parents - especially those around 15km do put their kid with awareness to a Catholic school and expect for good reasons to raise their kid to the one Catholic faith. Who practices the equality of religions confuses the children and raises the kids - whether or not he wants it - to a world relativism far removed from religion. "If the Catholic school allows this, the faith in Allah can't be wrong and my faith loses its uniqueness and importance."

Atheists and agnostics would smile at this point, but we have to respect that to many people faith plays an important role. In the opinion of the author engaged conservative Christians win value and importance as counter pole to the always expanding Islam.

Original German:
Muslimisches Gebet im Unterricht an katholischem Privat-Gymnasium

PI-NEWS hat einen Theologen um seine Meinung zu diesem Sachverhalt gebeten. Aus seiner Sicht sprechen folgende Argumente gegen die Vorgehensweise der Schule:

• Eine katholische Schule darf nicht entgegen dem 1. Gebot handeln, in dem es ganz klar heißt: „Ich bin der Herr dein Gott, du sollst nicht andere Götter haben neben mir.“
• „Allah ist nicht Gott im Sinne des christlichen Gottesbildes“ – Der Gott des Korans ist ein
gänzlich anderer als der Dreieinige Gott aus Vater, Sohn und Heiligem Geist. Der Koran billigt
Jesus lediglich zu, ein Prophet gewesen zu sein.
• Die Bibel sagt in Johannes 14, 6: „Ich bin der Weg und die Wahrheit und das Leben, niemand
kommt zum Vater denn durch mich (Jesus)“. Der Islam kennt keine Taufe.
• Im Buch Daniel 3 werden die Gläubigen ganz klar aufgefordert, nicht Nebukadnezars Götzen
zu huldigen und lieber den Tod im Feuerofen in Kauf zu nehmen.
• Allein das Aufstehen bei einer Gebetshandlung ist in der Wahrnehmung eines Kindes
eine Gebetsteilnahme. Dies zur reinen Respektsbekundung herabstufen zu wollen, ist
Haarspalterei, die vor allem später im Rückblick auf die eigene Schulzeit niemand so in
Erinnerung behalten wird.

Darüber hinaus ist aus weltlicher Sicht zu sagen:

• Viele Eltern – gerade aus dem 15km-Umland – schicken ihre Kinder bewusst an eine
katholische Schule und bezahlen hierfür immerhin auch Schulgeld. Sie erwarten zu Recht
von dieser, ihre Kinder zu dem einen, katholischen Glauben zu erziehen. Wer hier
Gleichstellung der Religionen praktiziert, verwirrt die Kinder und erzieht – ob er es will oder
nicht – zu einem religionsfernen Werterelativismus. „Wenn diese katholische Schule das
zulässt, dann kann der Glauben an Allah nicht falsch sein und mein Glaube verliert seine
Einzigartigkeit und Wichtigkeit.“

Atheisten und Agnostiker mögen an dieser Stelle schmunzeln, jedoch muss man respektieren, dass bei vielen Menschen der Glaube eine wichtige Rolle spielt. Nach Meinung des Autors gewinnen engagierte, konservative Christen als Gegenpol zu dem sich immer weiter ausbreitenden Islam zunehmend an Wert und Wichtigkeit.

EUGEN PRINZ, PI News 4 Comments [3/23/2018 11:26:50 AM]
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Quote# 137441

Taylor Swift's November 2008 interview with Ellen Degenerate ended up on YouTube, the video has had 982,811 hits; but when Rep. Ron Paul spoke in July of 2009 about The Immorality of Taxpayer Funded Abortion, the video only had 1,732 hits. Isn't that sad? Congressman Ron Paul's video exposing the evils of abortion didn't even have 2,000 hits; but that wicked lewd girl's interview gets nearly 1,000,000 hits!

Taylor Swift is further corrupting the morals of our nation . . .

While her second album, Fearless, hit shelves the previous calendar year, she held the #1 spot on the Billboard chart for three weeks in 2009 and at one point had eight songs on the Hot 100 chart. After performing at the Grammys with friend Miley Cyrus, Swift embarked on a sold-out 52-city North American tour. Among her many accolades, she won album of the year at the Country Music Association Awards and artist of the year at the American Music Awards.


Miniskirts are sinful for women to wear (1st Timothy 2:9). Proverb 7:10 speaks concerning “the attire of an harlot.” Do you think God wants Christian women wearing “the attire of an harlot?” Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus and all the other lascivious harlots of Country Music today are committing evil, corrupting America's youth and are the cause of much sin in our nation. It's high time for born-again, God-fearing, Christ-honoring, sin-hating, soul-loving, soul-winning, Christians to get mad! Tell those whores to go put some clothes on!

I'm talking about good old-fashioned Biblical Christianity. I realize that few people today understand what that is, but America is dying for a lack of God-fearing Christians. Ironically, Taylor Swift attended and graduated from a so-called Christian high school in Tennessee. What kind of morals did they teach there? Somehow, professed Christians all across America have got the notion that it doesn't matter how a woman dresses. It DOES matter to God!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 13 Comments [3/23/2018 11:24:49 AM]
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Quote# 137438

Pedophiles have the exact same ability to develop romantic feelings for children — to fall in love with them — as any other person has for the people they’re attracted to. Of course, a pedophile will have to be in a position where he can have a (completely appropriate) relationship with the child enough to get to know him or her in order for that to happen, and that is not always the case. Many pedophiles choose to avoid being around children for a variety of reasons, ranging from a concern that they will offend — a self-inflicted doubt instilled by the internalization of the prevailing and stigmatizing narrative that all pedophiles are child molesters or ticking time bombs waiting to explode — to a paranoia that others will find out about them if they look a little too long or awkwardly at a child, to simply wanting to avoid the pain of unrequited love, which can be hard to bear. And yet a lot of pedophiles find themselves in a situation where they have fallen in love with a child, and all they can do is suffer it in silence.

In summary, a pedophile’s attraction to children is virtually indistinguishable from a heterosexual man’s attraction to women or a homosexual woman’s attraction to other women. Of course there are variations in the way pedophiles experience their attraction to children, but not in a greater or lesser degree than there are variations in the way others experience their own attractions. For some it is more visceral, more physical/sexual, while for others it is much more emotional, and even paternal in many cases. Pedophiles can certainly obsess over children, but not in any higher degree than any other person can obsess over someone they are attracted to. And of course, pedophiles can behave inappropriately with children, making unsolicited and unwanted sexual advances, but once again, there is no evidence that this would happen at any higher rate among pedophiles than people of other sexual orientations.

Assuming that a pedophile’s attraction to children is inherently perverse or evil is wrong and only contributes to further the stigmatization and vilification of people who, as a group and by definition, are not criminals or desire to harm anyone in any way. Acknowledging that there’s nothing inherently wrong about being attracted to children, given that it’s not something a person was ever given a choice about, in no way excuses anyone from behaving inappropriately with a child. Accepting that there isn’t anything inherent to pedophilia that makes anyone do anything they don’t want to do, or that impairs anyone’s ability to know right from wrong, also doesn’t excuse child sexual abuse.

Ender wiggin, Medium 2 Comments [3/23/2018 8:02:29 AM]
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Quote# 137437

i’m a Youth Worker, I’m a Paedophile
The idea of a paedophile working with children is, perhaps understandably, pretty controversial. This is the story of how I realised my attraction, learnt to live with it and why I’m going to keep working with kids.
I grew up in a coastal town in the UK with two very loving parents and my two younger siblings. I never had many friends and I was bullied a lot, but every week I went to a youth group. I always felt welcomed there. It gave me a safe environment in which to learn, grow and develop as a person, especially in my self confidence. My time there influenced me as a person more than anything else.

I’d already decided by age 10 that I wanted to give back and volunteer there as an adult. I took up a volunteer role when I turned 14 and it’s the best decision I ever made. Sure it’s a lot of work, sometimes it’s like a full time job and it’s only voluntary, but now I get to help children to grow and develop. I couldn’t ask for more than that.

Shortly after starting in my volunteer position I realised I was a paedophile.

My sexuality developed pretty normally at first. I started to notice other boys my age when I was 8. Around 11 years old I figured I was gay. Fortunately at the time public attitudes toward homosexuality were changing pretty quickly and my close family was pretty openly accepting of gay people, so I was able to accept myself relatively easily.

But a year later I started to notice something was up. I was still attracted to boys six?—?or sometimes more?—?years younger than me. Why? It didn’t make any sense to me. Fortunately I was still attracted to enough of my peers that I could ignore it. So that’s what I did for two more years.

It wasn’t until I was 14 that I really started to realise the nature of my sexuality. I’d been getting older, but the boys I was attracted to hadn’t got older with me. In fact by this point all the boys I was attracted to were younger than me. I couldn’t ignore it anymore, I had to start accepting that this was the way I am.

To this day my attractions haven’t changed, I’m still attracted to boys from 4–13. I had no choice in the matter, I was born this way, but I did choose never to act on it and never to harm a child.

I was always a pretty scientifically minded kid. When I realised I was gay I asked myself why I was that way, what it was that made me different. Asking those questions it was pretty obvious to me that my sexuality was an unchosen and unchangeable part of myself. If it can’t be changed and it isn’t hurting anyone then I should just accept it and make the best of my situation.

I went through a very similar thought process when I realised I was a paedophile, so accepting it was pretty easy for me once I stopped trying to deny it. As long as I never hurt anyone what was the problem?

But there was a problem. My only knowledge of paedophilia was based on what society had always told me. Society was constantly telling me that I was doomed to be a monster. I knew I wasn’t a monster; I didn’t want to hurt a child and I knew I never would.

I went online to see if I could talk to others like me. Unfortunately the only other paedophiles I could find were pro-contacts, people that believe children can consent. I knew they were wrong, I’d heard about the damage CSA caused, I didn’t want to be like them and I didn’t want to associate with them, but I was bullied, depressed, suicidal, had no friends and desperately wanted someone to talk to about my attraction. So I talked to them. For many years they tried to push their beliefs onto me, but fortunately I never believed it.

I’d be lying if I said I was never tempted by them though. The idea that it’s okay to act on your attractions and that it’s society that causes the harm can be quite appealing. Especially to a young, depressed, suicidal teenager. Fortunately I always knew that what they were saying was wrong; I couldn’t ignore what I knew to be true: CSA causes devastating lifelong harm.

There was always the fear that someone would find out. What if someone did? I’d be hated by everyone, not even my family would accept me. I’d seen plenty of news stories about what people do to paedophiles. Harass them, beat them, even burn them alive just on suspicion of being a paedophile. If someone found out my life could be in danger. I had to keep this hidden from everyone in my real life. I couldn’t risk losing everything if someone found out. Even now, no one in my real life knows.

One day, early this year, I came across an article about people who called themselves “virtuous paedophiles”. This was a group of people like me that were paedophiles but were against all sexual contact with children. I started doing some reading and after a couple of weeks decided to join VirPed. I’d finally found a community that understood my attractions and shared my views. It was quite a relief; if only I had found them when I was 14.

Turning this into something positive
I’ve accepted my attractions and I know I will never harm a child, but now I’m in a position to help others. I’ve now joined a number of online communities for non-offending and anti-contact Minor Attracted People (MAPs), to help people trying to come to terms with their attractions, to show them that they aren’t monsters.

The hate, death threats and suicide bait non-offending MAPs see every day is staggering and sickening. Young teenagers are seeing those messages, internalising the belief that they are monsters; sometimes the hate pushes them over the edge. They often either kill themselves or get indoctrinated by pro-contacts which can lead to them being abused themselves, abusing kids or viewing child pornography. I want to show them that there is another way, before they get indoctrinated by pro-contacts, or give in to the hate.

Hopefully I can educate a few people along the way too and help to reduce the stigma surrounding paedophilia. When you are constantly told that you are destined to hurt a child it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Contrary to popular belief, helping paedophiles accept themselves is helping keep children safe from abuse. The current stigma just forces paedophiles to hide and prevents them from seeking help if they need it, just increasing the risk they might offend. Demonizing paedophiles might make you feel good, but it’s not helping anyone.

Should I still work with kids?
Most people would say that a paedophile should never be around kids because we are just looking for opportunities to abuse them. That’s completely false. I’ve been working with kids since before I even realised I was a paedophile. I do it because I enjoy it.
I have no ulterior motives. I know that my main job is to protect the children in my care and keep them safe; that is what I do. The absolute last thing I want is for a child to be harmed.

Being a paedophile doesn’t mean I lack the normal, protective instincts people have towards children. This is a very common misconception, but if anything, my protective instincts towards children are stronger than most people’s. I find I care more about them and I’m more interested in their well-being.

I love kids, I love working with kids, I’m very good at what I do, I do it because I want what is best for them and I want them to become the best people they can be.

Dean, Medium 11 Comments [3/23/2018 8:02:25 AM]
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Quote# 137435

A psychiatric perspective on pedophilia
(it applies to all paraphilias, but since the discourse is mostly focused on MAPs I’m doing it about that)

There is a spreading misunderstanding about paraphilias and specificly about pedophilia. People keep mixing and cofusing concepts, calling mental illness to things that aren’t or the opposite, trying to turn healthy people in mentally ill in some kind of twisted idea of “therapy”. So I just want to make clear the three basic concepts and how therapists work over this.

Also, I have seen tons of antis (bringing this from Tumblr, but it’s the same outside there) saying MAPs they should seek therapy but at the same time they claim that if a MAP doesn’t hate themselves then they is gross and nasty. This shows how little antis know about actual psychiatry and how therapy works, so I would like to help everyone here to understand therapy and achive with that a better understanding of sexuality, mental illness and improving our work towads increasing the number of healthy, happy people and decreasing child abuse in all its ways. So here we go, the three basics concepts:

-POCD: This is NOT pedophilia. The person doesn’t feel attracted to minors, just have intrusive thoughts that are egodystonic and totally unwanted. They know they aren’t going to hurt children but they feel awful about their thoughts and have to do compulsive actions to feel better. This is just as any other OCD, it doesnt matter what are the thoughts about, csa, get an infection, kill your family… The important thing here is treat the OCD (what sadly is really hard), but nothing to do with pedophilia. These people aren’t MAPs and this isn’t their sexuality, this doesn’t have anything to do with pedophilia, but some people mistake it for “pedophilic disorder”, another concept I’ll explain later.

-Pedophilic sexuality (or pedophilic sexual orientation): This is just the sexual attraction towards children (<13 y/o in DSM V terms). It just implies a person who has this specific sexuality. They feel aroused for children, but that doesn’t mean they are going to act over these feelings irl. In this case we consider pedophilia just as any other sexuality. It isn’t a disorder and it doesn’t have treatment. We have a person who is aroused by children but doesn’t feel bad about it and never acts over it in real life. They DON’T have a disorder and they don’t need therapy. Pedophilia is not a mental illnes, but it isn’t a moral degeneration or abomination either. It is just a variation of human sexuality, normal and never a problem itself. In fact, quoting Dr. Fred S. Berlin (associate professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine):

[…] the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has stated its intention to remove the term Pedophilic Sexual Orientation from the diagnostic manual.2 Removing that term in response to public criticism would be a mistake. Experiencing ongoing sexual attractions to prepubescent children is, in essence, a form of sexual orientation, and acknowledging that reality can help to distinguish the mental makeup that is inherent to Pedophilia, from acts of child sexual abuse.
This is the source, really interesting and informative, I encourage you to read it. Also, the DSM V stated clearly the difference between a pedophilic sexuality and a pedophilic disorder.

-Pedophilic disorder: Here we have a person with a pedophilic sexuality (so, a MAP) BUT who also feels distressed about it (hates themselves, feels anxious, depressed, thinks they are awful and going to hurt children even if it isn’t true…) OR have self-control problems or some distortion that leads them to actual abuse. On DSM terms:

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
B. The individual has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
C. The individual is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
Note: do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.
In first case I mention you need to treat the distress. The goal of therapy isn’t change or lesser the attraction, as some people think. And for sure, it isn’t teaching pedophiles that they are terrible and awful and should hate themselves either. Pedophilia is just a sexuality and sexualities can’t be cured (trying that is conversion therapy and that doesnt work at all). So what you try in therapy is to teach these people that their attractions are ok, treat the anxiety and depression, help them to accept themselves and have a healthy sexuality without harm anyone (like, masturbation with fantasies, consensual sex with adults if they aren’t exclusive MAPs, rp, simulated cp is used in some countries and it has showed to decrease irl csa, so that is used too, etc).

Most of these MAPs are scared of themselves and even when they know they won’t never harm a child they can be afraid to lose control due to a depressive cognitive distortion (that does not indicate a real loss of control, but an obsessive thought over loss of control itself) so you have to work over that too. And about the second group, if they have self-control problems you work in therapy and maybe with some drugs over it. Also, if they have already abused an actual child then therapy focused too in self-control and sometimes lesser their libido, but that is forensic psychiatry field, not just psychiatry and doesn’t have anything to do with non offending maps, the ones I’m focusing here.

So basically, to summarize, people who are MAPs and feel bad about it should and deserve get help. But the help is only going to treat their distress, so the goal is turning a pedophilic disorder in a pedophilic sexuality, never change the attraction, that is always going to be there. We should remember that most child abusers aren’t even MAPs, they dont feel attracted to children (2/3 child abusers are “opportunistic” offenders, so pedophiles aren’t the actual cause of csa), and the ones who are MAPs have different brains that the NOMAPSs (offending MAPs show more lack of self control, empathy, understanding of consequences of their acts, cognitive distorions… While NOMAPs don’t show this, so they dont have the main risk factors for csa).

Tumblr MAP community is really a good thing that therapists should support and encourage. Universalization is a kind of therapy, in fact (this is the awareness that their sexuality is a state shared with other human beings and that it is compatible with mental health and not offending). MAP community doesnt’ say children can consent or that we should abolish AOC or something like that. No, they are just MAPs who are trying to accept themselves and living their lifes in a harmless way. They are working to treat their pedophilic disorder (not their pedophilic sexuality, that, again, can’t be treated) in a support group, what is really good and positive. We can’t forget that MAPs are a high suicide risk group, specially minors, and they deserve support and positivity. People can’t choose their feelings, but they can choose their actions. A MAP doesn’t choose feel attracted to children, but they can choose never harm a child and have a happy life, and that is what therapists and the ones who works in csa prevention try.

If we want to talk about the actual risk factors for csa this aren’t pedophilia. Risk factors for abuse, all kind of abuse, are lack of self-control, low empathy, cognitive distortions, sadism… Sexual attraction is not an actual risk factor because people have morals and another traits that help them to understand what is wrong irl even if they like it in fantasy. So if we want to take really effective actions to prevent csa and protect children we need to work over the actual risk factors and try to understand pedophilia as much as we can.

Hating and attacking MAPs and the MAP community is not going to help anyone, only cause harm. NOMAPs who don’t have these risks factors aren’t going to abuse a children under any circunstance, so we have to help them to understand that too and love themselves, so they can have a plenty, healthy life as we fight all together against the real problem of child abuse. Throwing innocent and mentally ill people under the bus while the actual abusers (again, mostly not pedophiles, just opportunistics) keep harming children without anyone paying attention is not going to help children.

Demonization and misunderstading aren’t going to help children. Understanding, universalization, actual knowledge, acceptation and the right therapies are the things that are going to help us to save children and that we should use as weapons on this, not the visceral, hateful speech without base that antis like to use.

Please, educate yourself in these important issues before get into them or you could be more harmful than helpful.

Aleska Kolja, Medium 2 Comments [3/23/2018 8:02:19 AM]
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Quote# 137433

[Note: This is from May 2017]

The chief rabbi of Israel on Saturday night appeared to suggest during his weekly sermon that secular woman behave like animals due to their immodest dress.

Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel Itzhak Yosef also lamented that the non-religious community is unaware of how much respect religious Jews supposedly have for women.

In other comments, he advised religious IDF soldiers who find themselves at army events where women are singing to remove their eyeglasses and conspicuously read from a book to demonstrate that they are not participating.

“If the secular knew how much we respect the woman; everything we do is for a woman’s dignity,” Yosef said according to a Sunday report by the Hebrew-language Kikar Hashabat website that serves the religious community. “A woman is not an animal, she has to keep her dignity. To be modest [in her dress] is her dignity.”

Religious demands for modest dress and behavior by women is a cause of friction in the religious-secular divide in Israel with the latter seeing such requirements as sexual discrimination.

In advice to soldiers, Yosef noted that due to his position he is sometimes required to attended official ceremonies that include singing performances by women. Recalling an event he was at that was also attended by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Reuven Rivlin, Yosef said that when the women started singing he made an obvious display reading from a book that he held up in front of his face to show that he wasn’t listening.

“That way they could all see that I am not listening, my head is in the book, close to what matters,” he explained and instructed religious soldiers to do the same under similar circumstances.

According to religious tradition, if is forbidden for men to hear a woman sing solo, or at all if it is outside of a religious service.

The exclusion of women from musical performances to satisfy religious sensibilities is a controversial subject in Israel, with religious groups often pushing to have women barred from performing in public.

Yosef’s father, Ovadia Yosef, also a chief rabbi, was also known for making controversial statements at his Saturday night sermons, including derogatory comments about Arabs, Muslims and Holocaust victims.

Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef , The Times of Israel 8 Comments [3/23/2018 8:01:43 AM]
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Quote# 137430

According to two leading scientists, the human brain is, in fact, a ‘biological computer’ and the consciousness of people is a program run by the quantum computer located inside the brain that even continues to exist after we die.

As experts explain it; “after people die, their soul comes back to the universe, and it does not die.”

The debate about the existence of the soul and whether it is immortal or dies with the person is an endless story that for centuries has occupied the time of the great thinkers of universal history. Its mysterious nature continues to fascinate different areas of science, but now a group of researchers has discovered a new truth about it: the “soul” does not die; it returns to the universe.

Since 1996, Dr. Stuart Hameroff, an American Physicist and Emeritus in the Department of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Sir Roger Penrose, a mathematical physicist at Oxford University, have worked in a Quantum Theory of Consciousness in which they state that the soul is maintained in microtubules of the brain cells.

Their interesting theory says that the human heart is being contained by the brain cells in structures inside them called microtubules.

The two researchers believe the human brain is, in fact, a biological computer and the consciousness of people is a program run by the quantum computer located inside the brain that even continues to exist after we die.

Furthermore, both scientists argue that what humans perceive as ‘consciousness’ is, in fact, the result of quantum gravity effects located within the so-called microtubules.

This process is named by the two scientists “Orchestrated Objective Reduction – (Orch-OR).”

The theory indicates that when people enter a phase known as ‘clinical death,’ the microtubules located in the brain lose their quantum state but maintain the information contained within them. In other words – as experts explain it after people die, their soul returns to the universe, and it does not die’.

Speaking to the Science Channel’s Through the Wormhole documentary, Dr. Hameroff said:

“Let’s say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing; the micro-tubules lose their quantum state. The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can’t be killed, and it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules, and the patient says ‘I had a near-death experience.’ If they’re not revived, and the patient dies, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.”

According to this theory, the human souls are more than just ‘interactions’ of neurons in our brain and could have been present since the beginning of time.

Peace Quarters, Peace Quarters 5 Comments [3/23/2018 7:59:39 AM]
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Quote# 137429

This discussion has been going on since Einstein proposed the THEORY OF RELATIVITY [which has yet to be unproven]. It goes even further when people around him speculated that he was actually looking for the God Particle [The God Particle refer to the Higgs boson, a particle in physics] the subatomic particle that has brought a Nobel Prize to Francois Englert and Peter Higgs, is so small that its discovery took 40 years. May Physicists have become believers in an intelligent creation based on the fact that our concept of everything tangible and intangible has a beginning and an end but the notion that NOTHING CREATED SOMETHING is still troubling to scientists. If you want to spend the time, there are lots of resources to prove that eternity is a principal that is till baffeling great minds.

Lou Ploch, Peace Quarters 8 Comments [3/23/2018 7:59:16 AM]
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Quote# 137424

The left is a cult that can only survive by cutting off information.

I was reading an askreddit thread about people who have left a cult "What was your oh**** moment?" If you go read that thread over there you will see one thing in common in all the cults. You are not allowed to think differently and to stop you from thinking differently they shut off all information from the outside. The left does exactly this. They are trying to silence conservatives to keep information away from their followers in the cult. If you think any unapproved thoughts you will be shunned from the group.

The left is a cult.

Edit: I went to sleep and came back. This post blew up. I am glad people see what the left really is. Also I saw a comment about how it is ironic to post this in a sub that censors leftists. What a ridiculous contradiction. We are on a completely leftist platform that censors right leaning subs, has special rules for our sub only, and removes gun subreddits. We are literally in the belly of the beast and you cult members want to come in to every single thread and try to brainwash us with your cult crap. Sorry but we are turning away the door knockers. We are here to try and save the people you are brainwashing. We are trying to pull people out of your cult. No we don't need to hear your 5000th anti-Trump post for the day here. You have a thousands subs to discuss that on. We have one. You have even taken over conservative subs in the past. If you want to argue your point of view go to askthe_donald. We have a dedicated sub for discussion.

Fun fact: Democrats also are far more likely to have mental health issues.

Fun fact: People in cults also are far more likely to have mental health issues.


Thus, cults can be seen as an organized group or a solitary person whose purpose is to dominate cult members by using psychological manipulation and pressure strategies.

CuckedByTRUMP, r/The_Donald 21 Comments [3/22/2018 1:48:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 137423

Tim Matter:
You don't deserve more rights than everybody else. Either keep your evangelists out of school, or allow everybody elses in too.

Guest Verified:
Who is talking about more rights? You are. You want all rights taken away from Christians and all rights given to haters and persecutors. You want it wiped out. Christians can't bake cakes, can't work as florists, can't serve in government, can't live their faith in the work place or classroom. That's persecution. Why don't you ask Muslims to take off their burkas or hijabs, or to stop praying three times a day?

Guest Verified, Christian News Network 13 Comments [3/22/2018 1:48:17 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 137420

If you do not believe men are drawn to look at seductive and alluring women, start watching their eyes in the presence of such women. A question that begs to be asked is, “Why would any woman who professes to know Christ as her Saviour dress in such a way as to be seductive and alluring? She may protest her clothing covers her body and the hem is below her knee; but does it highlight or accentuate parts of her body that only ought to be seen by her husband? Slit skirts are specifically designed to tease a man’s eyes and appeal to his lower nature; tight, form-fitting designs shamelessly publicize body parts and contours that ought to be private; clinging or translucent materials also are specifically designed to be provocative and revealing. If a sister is honestly unaware of how her dress is defrauding every man who views her, she ought to listen to a godly, older woman (Titus 2:3) in the flock, or the Pastor’s wife concerning her dress. But from what most women tell me, this type of seductive fashion is usually not accidental or ignorant. How tragic! Many, like Tamar, set out to deliberately catch the carnal eyes of men and tempt them to wrong desires even though they could technically say their bodies are “covered.”

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 25 Comments [3/22/2018 1:47:40 PM]
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Quote# 137419

Pretty much anyone who watches anime is some kind of creep. Wouldn’t be surprised to learn that most of them are pedos. Anime is such a trash form of entertainment. It pretty much only exists to sexualize women and children at this point.

MostlyEinsteinPoems, r/circlebroke2 9 Comments [3/22/2018 1:47:31 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 137416



"Remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins." James 5:20

"Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever." Daniel 12:3


Right now we are a small operation. And I prefer it that way. It allows us to be nimble and to make decisions a lot faster than if we had to pass everything through a big committee. We can go from idea to concept to actual product launch in just a few days or weeks; which is vital when the product being launched has the potential to transform someones eternal destiny forever.


You'll be making an investment in the lives of people you'll never meet on this side of eternity, but you will have played a vital role in helping to secure their eternal destiny in Jesus Christ. "Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act." Proverbs 3:27


"For we wanted to come to you--certainly I, Paul, did, again and again--but Satan blocked our way." 1 Thess 2:18

Let's be honest: Satan doesn't like my message. Nor does he want this word to get out. He's done everything he could to stop people from supporting me and this message of sexual purity and sanctification. There's nothing he would like to do more than to snuff this message out and make it go away forever. By donating you can stop the enemy from succeeding.


"If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them." James 4:17

For just $20 a month you could help us get these ebooks, articles and messages in front of millions of people all across the globe who desperately need them. Some of you will blow $20 this week alone on cups of coffee at your favorite coffee spot. Imagine the joy in God's heart if you decided to give that amount to help reach someone else with the gospel message!

Mack Major, Facebook 20 Comments [3/22/2018 11:25:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 137415

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Alt-Left News: UN’s radical agenda pushes sex, LGBT education starting in kindergarten"

(Lifesite News link follows: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uns-radical-agenda-pushes-sex-lgbt-education-starting-in-kindergarten)

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate:
That's child abuse and the promotion of abominations. I pray for the children in Jesus name. Any biological male and female parents that support that abuse and sexualization of children are being led by satan. We expect reprobates to accept and support that abuse and child rape because they are led by their father satan, who hates the seed. Any parent that loves their child will rebel against that abuse and sexualization of their children and other children as well.
Come quick Lord!

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 12 Comments [3/22/2018 11:24:55 AM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 137414

Yitzhak Rabin wanted to divide the land of Israel and create a Palestinian state. God allowed him to be shot and killed by one of his own people on November 4, 1995. Ariel Sharon wanted to divide the land to create a Palestinian state, and God allowed him to be taken down by a stroke in 2006 and eventually die in a coma. So along comes Benjamin Netanyahu who insists on an undivided Jerusalem for Israel, and he becomes the second-longest serving leader they have had. But with May 14th, 2018 now less than 8 weeks away, Netanyahu's world is crumbling and so is Trump's. The more I ponder on all this, the more I become convinced that the only reason God allowed Trump to win was to move that Embassy to Jerusalem to trigger events yet unknown but absolutely related to the end times.

Geoffrey Grider, Now The End Begins 4 Comments [3/22/2018 11:24:48 AM]
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Quote# 137413

Secure your soul today!
Many people today do not believe there is Heaven or life after death. Others said the teaching of Hell is just a scare tactic. Do not believe these people. WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THERE IS DEATH. If you are wise, then secure your soul today by fulfilling the requirement of Heaven, which is obedience to the Law that the Lord God gave to Moses, Prophets, and accepting Lord Jesus the Son of God, a GUIDE and SAVIOR of our souls. If life after death is not true, then you will never come to know it; You will not come back to life again. WHAT ABOUT IF THERE IS TRULY A LIFE AFTER DEATH, AND HEAVEN AND HELL ARE REAL? The words of God instructed that if you have fulfilled the requirements of the Lord God, then you will enter Heaven. If you did not, then it is too late for you to return to earth and relive an obedient life in Christ the Lord. You will enter Hell.

Do everything you can to secure your soul by obeying what the Lord God demands from you while you are still on the earth, as you are ensuring your financial stability for whatever may come in the future by learning everything in school. If you fall into poverty, it is only more than a hundred years or less of suffering on earth. In Hell, people are hungry but no food, thirsty and no water, in pain in the fire burning and no medicines, no house to live, no bed to lay head, and demons with spears are stabbing them FOREVER. People entered Hell because they spent their whole lives on earth on learning if God exists or not instead of obeying His Law and live the life of Christ the Lord.

Psalms 49:6-9
Those who trust in their wealth and boast in the multitude of their riches, none of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him— FOR THE REDEMPTION OF THEIR SOULS IS COSTLY, AND IT SHALL CEASE FOREVER— That he should continue to live eternally, and not see the Pit.

Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; Fearfulness has seized the hypocrites: “Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?”

Holy Spirit
Facebook/ Mount Zion, gabrielle Riah?

Gabrielle Riah, Mount Zion, Youtube 10 Comments [3/22/2018 11:24:11 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 137412

Family Friendly Gaming, the industry leader in covering the family friendly video games is sounding the alarm on a very important issue within the video game industry. No it is not how men are being discriminated against. No it is not how conservatives are being discriminated against. Both of those are very important issues that need to be corrected within the video game industry. This article is not even about the rampant corruption within the video game industry that must be systematically dismantled. This issue is the discrimination against Christians. Family Friendly Gaming has written about this before. This issue is nothing new. The evil, vile, and wicked haters must stop their horrendous deeds. They must correct their mistakes. The must turn from their dark ways. They must do this immediately. They must do this for a better video game industry.

We have noticed here at Family Friendly Gaming how the attacks on Christians within the video game industry have gotten worse. We have noticed Christians being treated like third class citizens within the video game industry. We have heard from fellow believers who are mistreated within the video game industry. Family Friendly Gaming has experiences a wide array of discrimination from those claiming to be tolerant of diversity. They do not tolerate Christians though. They attack us. They persecute us. They treat us like third class citizens. They tell us to sit on the back of the bus only. No front row seating for Christians within the video game industry. They lie to us. They break their word. They prove they have no honor. They expect us to join them in corruption. We stand for truth, honesty, keeping our word, having honor, having morals, and staying clean.

These attacks on Christians bother me personally and professionally. I do not like them. I do not feel they have a place in the video game industry. Christian gamers have a lot to offer the entire video game industry. There have been great games from Wisdom Tree. There have been wonderful games on the Personal Computer (PC). There were cool games like The Bible Game, and Larryboy and the Bad Apple. CCGR, Clash Entertainment, Christian Games Now, and Family Friendly Gaming have faithfully served the video game industry for many years. Those accomplishments are just at the tip of my tongue. There have been plenty more that have come from the Christian video game community. When will the evil haters acknowledge the truth? When will they turn from lies, propaganda, and fake news stories? I look forward to the day when Christians are celebrated within the video game industry. I look forward to the day when the entire industry shuns anyone who discriminates against Christians. What needs to be done to get to that shining city on a hill?

Paul Bury, Family Friendly Gaming 14 Comments [3/22/2018 11:23:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Sammettik

Quote# 137411

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Atheist's Lies: "I used to be a Christian"

(Youtube video follows: https://youtu.be/MxbYXIZgc-s

Lady Checkmate:
That's one of their funniest lines lies.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion  9 Comments [3/22/2018 11:22:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 137410


You’re not the only anti-anti that thinks that, but unfortunately if you were looking for like-minded people to validate those feelings then you’ve come to the wrong place.

Of course, I stand by my belief that a closed off ideological community will frequently result in echochambers, drama, potential manipulation, corruption, and the like, that groups should always be open to criticism and discussion, for their own safety and successfulness.

The MAP community isn’t closed off though - the members interact with people outside of the community, there are allies who are part of the community, and there’s no political ideology that one has to subscribe to in order to join the community, so the members themselves self-police the risk of echochambers because they vary in stances on any given topic. There are conservative MAPs, liberal MAPs, MAPs who are against loli and ddlg, and MAPs who love those things. There are people in the community who are there because science and child abuse prevention and psychology, and there are people who are there because they started as anti-antis and realized that the “suicide baiting is wrong” and the “thoughts can’t harm” stuff applied there as well, there are people who are there because they hate and/or are concerned about pro-cs and see the NOMAP community as the best way to counteract them, and so on and so forth. There are so many reasons and thought processes and discussions - they even try to talk to and discuss things with antis themselves - so the community is incredibly good at being aware of the risks that come with closed-mindedness.

People work with adults. Whether or not somebody can do so safely is dependent on that person and on their own self-control, not on their paraphilias or attractions. There are people who take advantage of their position to hurt the adults that they work with (look at the Hollywood abuse scandals). People shouldn’t abuse anybody that they work with, child or adult - but whether they will do so isn’t based on whether or not they have an attraction (most child molesters aren’t MAPs, and rapists in general aren’t inherently attracted to their victims or even to their victims’ sex/gender), it’s based on a myriad of risk factors and personality traits and so forth.

As long as posts are adequately tagged, anonymous, marked as NSFW, and so forth, the only issue that I have with people talking about kid crushes (provided they haven’t done anything to harm the kid - such as harassment, leering, assault, etc) is that it leads to stuff like this. Plus people screenshot it and then post it untagged on a discourse blog, everybody sees it despite efforts by the original poster to keep it away from anybody who could be triggered… and then you get “ERMAGHERD THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT KIDS!!! THAT THEY FIND HOT!!! THEY’RE!!! TALKING!!! ABOUT!!! KIDS!!!” and I’m like… Yeah??? They find kids hot??? That’s why they’re MAPs, my dude??? I mean like, anything that I can think of that would be Too Far™ would also be too far with adults - be respectful about how you talk about other people publicly, obviously.

If you had a friend with violent thoughts, and occasionally they said things like “I really wanted to punch this guy the other day.” (speaking casually, not describing having had intent to do so) would you start calling them “skeevy”, “dangerous”, “sketchy”? It’s human to want to get things off your chest. It’s okay to not want to hear that - to block certain tags, or to ask people to not talk to you about it. But I can’t find myself able to tell people that their thoughts don’t make them evil, that they can accept and love themselves, and then force them to lock those thoughts inside because they’re too “evil” to be shared. It’s contradictory and potentially detrimental to that person.

eeveelutionsforequality, tumblr 6 Comments [3/22/2018 11:22:47 AM]
Fundie Index: -1

Quote# 137409


First ask: http://eeveelutionsforequality.tumblr.com/post/172073700552/im-an-anti-anti-and-belive-in-ship-and-let-ship-am

Why do you keep using the term “gush”? I haven’t seen much that would really go past what only a nun could call “gushing”. Gushing is when you get me talking about one of my best friends, and I can’t finish a sentence because by the time my mouth has gotten out half the words there’s another point trying to spill out of my brain. Gushing isn’t “I saw somebody today, they were pretty hot.”

The MAP community isn’t about talking about crushes either. 99.9% of the posts have absolutely nothing to do with talking about personal feelings about people - like I said, most people are there to combat pro-cs, to talk about psychology, to share studies, to talk about CSA prevention, to give advice on talking to professionals if you need that, to give advice on building willpower and practicing mindfulness, to talk to outsiders about what anti-contact means and how they aren’t bad people, to combat the suicide baiting, and stuff like that. The MAP community isn’t “a safe space to gush”, its primary goal and function is conversation on a particularly hard topic to aid in achieving the goal of preventing the abuse of children, and that’s what it does, that’s what posts in the community are mostly about. The miniscule fraction of posts that do talk about kids exist because it’s also a support network, to get thoughts off your chest and get the support you need to get through things.

What you’re saying is that they only deserve to be able to voice those thoughts in the secluded and cruel forums of pro-cs on the deep web, rather than being able to voice them somewhere where there’s an explicit goal of protecting children and providing practical mental health support for them - which, in turn, also has the goal of protecting children.

It seems “redflaggy” because you’re misrepresenting what it is.

eeveelutionsforequality, tumblr 2 Comments [3/22/2018 11:20:46 AM]
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Quote# 137401

A pastor who won't preach on Hell, fire and damnation from the pulpit is a yellowbellied coward. We need some preachers once again with backbone, not a wishbone! God has been faithful. I wish I could influence some men of God to get worked up! I'm trying and praying brother. The Lord is still able. God deserves our best as Christians! I'm tired of pastors who dress in fancy new clothes and have that gleam in their eye, but they avoid preaching on anything offensive and the alters are always empty at invitation time. Of course the alters are empty, there is no preaching that produces repentance! The baptistry gets used once every 6 months. Soul-winning is not taught. There is no organized time for the church to go witnessing in public. There is no bus ministry.

Brother Roloff says, “There's only one way to speak with authority and that's to saturate your soul and your mind with the Word of God.” The reason why pastors today are dead is because they are listening to dead ministers instead of the authoritative Word of God. I'm not trying to pick on Bob Jones University, but their primary focus today is to educate students in the “Liberal Arts.” That's like a Christian automotive-repair school. We need Bible Colleges to train Christian workers. I'm sick and tired of these wet noodles, spineless preachers, who come in from the Jell-O seminary with their tapioca message of the power of positive thinking.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 66 Comments [3/21/2018 12:07:26 PM]
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Parasite Pride Award

Quote# 137398

Doesn't matter. I came to the conclusion that the best way to live your life as incel is to ldar and drain as much resources from society as possible.

If you kill yourself normies, chads and stacies win, don't let them win.

Be a pain in the arse to the society that rejects and treats you like shit. Do everything to fight against this status quo and always remind other people that you exist and inconvenience them.

grayjedi90, incels.me 13 Comments [3/21/2018 11:42:45 AM]
Fundie Index: 7
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 137396

[Comment on an article entitled 'why the Bible allows forced sex in marriage']

And I was looking around, and I thought what would happen if women all over the world just said NO, they said, nope, we’re refusing to have sex….I mean a complete blanket denial, a sexual “fast” as it were…what would happen? and what would happen if it was permanent?

I believe there would be MASS FORCED SEX on a world wide scale…..Biologically in order to propagate the species, in time men would take women by force if necessary in order to confront this vile evil of a woman’s refusal to disobey what she was created for

It’s like the old saying, “we can do this the hard way, or we can do it the easy way”……..And not once did I feel in my Spirit, that this would be wrong
A lot of readers here will be horrified and think I am advocating rape, but I’m not , I don’t see forced sex as “rape”….I see the women’s refusal however to propagate the species as sinful and needs to be confronted with force if necessary
Unfortunately we have been too conditioned by society to see that as a bad thing

Now the ideal of course, is for the women to submit, and for men to be gentle in getting sex, but there’s a greater picture here, than a woman’s hurt pride, it is the inherent nature of a woman to resist ALL forms of male authority, to listen to the JEZEBELIC spirit that seeks to viciously control and manipulate man through sex, to use sex as a weapon

Now my hypothetical scenario might not ever play out on a grand scale, but it does on a smaller scale….women continue to refuse to have sex with their husbands by using the “I’m not in the mood card”, and this can be an infinite loop a man can’t get out of, he can show Christ like patience, self control etc, but in the end, a woman can create the infinite loop by saying not tonight hun, I’m really not in the mood every time he approaches her for sex
As Christian men, we need to be strong and refuse to accept that situation, and sometimes forced sex is the only viable solution, after other measures have been taken
That is why I say to women who wish to get married “Don’t get married and destroy your husband’s soul, if you don’t want to have sex”

The reason we have “Slut walks”, and out of control promiscuous sexual behavior by WOMEN, is women want to set the terms and conditions for when they have sex, but what they don’t realize is that “sex” is not a choice, it is a command from GOD to indulge in within the confines of “marriage” in order to propagate the species and to raise “godly seed” for the next generation Malachi 2:15

This is why women were traditionally NEVER allowed to choose a man as her husband, that choice was made by her father, because if women had their way, they would never choose any one, she would be the victim of her own impossible standards, and indecisiveness
In fact the whole idea of “dating” today is patently un biblical, the very idea that we allow women to choose who they want to marry is stupid and sinful….Nope, what happens, is if a man see a desirable and attractive woman, he goes and asks her father the permission to take her as wife, if she refuse, who cares, it’s not up to here anyway…..That’s how it should be, that’s what works best for society as a whole, and in fact, it is still widely practiced today in a lot of cultures like the Middle East and India

Thoughts anyone?

Was I too harsh?

kryptonian51, Biblicalgenderroles 19 Comments [3/21/2018 11:42:05 AM]
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Quote# 137395

[Comment on an article entitled 'Why the Bible allows forced sex in marriage']

What women need to realize is that a man that would only use this if it was truly necessary. I know that may sound harsh but it can be done as an act love, done any other way and the man is playing with his wife and with God and that has serious consequences.

I grew up in a small religious sect that believes strongly in male autonomy and headship. One thing that young men were taught early on is to make a woman submit and extract her obedience. The reason we were taught this was because marriages were arranged and girls would often cry from their wedding to weeks down the line, but they didn’t know that we as men weren’t always happy about it either however we were cultivated to suck it up and accept our futures.

I tried to convince her that I wanted to know her and this didn’t have to be a bad thing and I tried to be patient but she wanted nothing to do with me. I did this and it broke her and I regretted it because I thought she wouldn’t recover and would view me as a monster forever, but with the humiliation, hurt pride and hurt feelings a wall came down. I was able to raise her up, show her who I am truly and I got her to show me who she really was and then we became happy.

I’ve never had to use this throughout our marriage because I do understand that sometimes she is tired or not feeling well so I allow her to rest, but if you know your husband and he does this believe me it was probably his last resort.

Dane, Biblicalgenderroles 8 Comments [3/21/2018 11:42:01 AM]
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