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Quote# 119257

I don't care how they look. If there is a high percentage of individuals from a particular region of world; regardless of religion, color, sex, or heritage, and these individuals have a higher percentage probability of a terror attack, these individuals should be excluded.

Little is known of the immigration policies during the Ellis Island days. They most definitely segregated individuals; in their case, those that might hold the probability of becoming a public charge.

The nationalist hate wave you speak of is the sound of individuals stating we don't need another "most popular flavor" of extremism to take root on our shores. Muslim anti-pluralism is the antithesis of what America stands for, and their penchant to use violence is something we would do best without.

So you're an apologist for a bigoted misogynistic religion bent on censorship and suicide-assassination by admitting less than similar examples from other religions?
Dismissing the advocates and apologists of bigotry and censorship and suicide-assassination cannot be permitted to take shelter any longer under the umbrella of a pluralism that they openly seek to destroy; and those that defend these people need to be called out.
Don't kid yourself. The most toxic form of religion is the Islamist form with the horrible idea to end up with a religion based Sharia law, with the best means of getting there is jihad. They feel they have a specific right to feel aggrieved and use all means necessary to achieve their ends.

Islam was founded by a marginally literate warlord from divine revelation and proclaim it as the last and final. Gods last word. Straight away this a temptation toward violence and intolerance. A temptation they have proven all too willing to comply with. This violent approach to achieve their ends is most definitely fascism.

Shore Break, NPR 5 Comments [5/26/2016 2:40:11 PM]
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Quote# 119254

let me tell all of my viewers my dream eternal life, that is, I wanna hang out with Jesus, kissing Him and eating His saliva while kissing Him all day long and all night long on Monday. Just melt down myself into the arms of Jesus on His gorgeous shirtless, immortal white skin chest.

And, on Tuesday, I wanna have a gorgeous Scarlett Johansson as my lovely newlywed wife and we do wild things all day long, because she’s not gotta be immortal in the New Millennium. She’s in earthly flesh. So, after a whole day bustling doing all the wild things such as … all naked, you know what I mean, I’ll let her go to bed, sleeping.

And, Wed. for Jesus, and Thurs. for her. Jesus and her take turns to be my lovers in every single week of my New Millennium eternal life. That’s perfect. Two lovers. Jesus and her. It’s just so perfect. My boyfriend and Husband, Lord Jesus Christ, an immortal gorgeous white man with a little bit sun-tan. My newlywed wife, a Scarlett Johansson I’m gotta meet in the New Millennium, is a gorgeous white woman with big boos, blonde hair, and blue eyes, so stunning beautiful, my No.1. favorite type of woman. Oh, baby, I’m gotta be the happiest man ever in the New Millennium with 2 lovers, Jesus and her, and I’m immortally gorgeous.

And, I’m gotta be very rich at that time, because I have the real ultra-richest super sugar daddy, Lord Jesus Christ. This is so extremely awesome, my dream eternal life in the New Millennium Era reigned by Jesus for 1000 years.

Actually, I’m Peter Alexander the Great. I’m truly Alexander the Great. oh baby, just my dream after browsing so many crazy news, I need some dream to sustain my horrified mind and heart.

usachinanukewar, All-out US-China nuclear war, looming, to wipe out one-fourths of the earth 6 Comments [5/26/2016 2:39:56 PM]
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Quote# 119253

This is good news for America. Europe is already lost. Elections like this will only make their demise that much quicker. That will allow us to watch and learn from their experience. We have already learned so much from the rapes in cologne and the way things are unraveling in Sweden. Most lefties don't have the wherewithal to understand the deadly consequences of their naive policies perhaps watching Austria disappear into the abyss will help them understand.

Goforbroke, NPR 0 Comments [5/26/2016 2:39:41 PM]
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Quote# 119250

POLICE FIND ‘HOUSE OF HORRORS’ WITH ARREST OF 'SOVEREIGN CITIZEN'

A police investigation into fraud and identity theft in Michigan involving an antigovernment “sovereign citizen” took a dramatic turn when police discovered what they described as a “house of horrors.”

Ryon Lenelle Travis was arrested last month when police executed a search warrant at the 32-year-old suspect’s Detroit home and found a 25-year-old woman with a chain around her neck, locked to a stripper pole.

A four-count indictment accused him of sexual exploitation of children; involvement with activities and material constituting child pornography and sex trafficking of children by force, fraud or coercion.

The woman, who has not been identified, told police she was one of four sex slaves living in the home that authorities described as a prison-like brothel run by Travis, the Chicago Tribune reported. She had been chained to the pole for two weeks as a punishment for attempting to escape, police said.

Authorities said the woman told them that Travis took her to a bank every month and forced her to turn over her $700 Social Security disability check to him.

The suspect called the women his “wives” and advertised on the Internet and in chat rooms that he had “four women for sale,” inviting cash-paying customers to the residence, the newspaper reported.

Police called the residence as a “house of horrors,” not only because of the sex slaves Travis kept, but because of suspected child sexual abuse that also occurred there, according to the newspaper report.

During the search of the residence, investigators found and seized two cell phones containing graphic images of a man sexually abusing children, a federal criminal complaint said.

One of the woman who had been held as a slave described Travis as a sovereign citizen. During a court appearance late last month, the defendant’s remarks to the judge seemed to back that description.

“It is against my religion to be represented by someone of another nation, so I may as well represent myself,” Travis told the court.

“I'm a natural-born human of the American land,” Travis said. “I choose not to do business with this court. I ask that this case be dismissed.”

The judge denied that request.

Ryon Travis, southern poverty law center 4 Comments [5/26/2016 2:29:59 PM]
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Quote# 119244

Snobbery, homosexuality, anarchistic, paying no attention to national values, opposing Islam, ashamed of being a Muslim, pseudo-intellectual, pretentious and having an inferiority complex: These are the tenets some Muslims would like to ascribe to a new youth model. Some of them would like Muslim youth to have some of these attributes and some others all of them. They have a wrong-headed belief that being modern and acceptable in society requires such characteristics and therefore they are making an outstanding effort to turn the youth into this new “model”. Some of them are making such effort deliberately to damage the moral values of Islam and others are following them unconsciously just to catch up with the trend.

Among these new attributes, homosexuality seems to lead the field and thus it is promoted on all occasions as another human rights issue. Above all else, homosexuality is forbidden in Islam (7/80-82) and other Abrahamic religions (Leviticus 18/22, Romans 1/24-28) and in the stories of those who were punished for engaging in this perversion in the holy books (Qur’an, 15/68-75, 2 Peter 2/6-10, Leviticus 20/13). Some Muslim activists who promote homosexuality misinterpret these verses and lie by distorting the true meanings of the verses and explain them as if it was not homosexuality being condemned but coercion in sexual intercourse. They are elucidating the Qur’an with connotation; however the commands of God are not described through connotations – they are always clear and precise.

In some of today’s societies, being opposed to homosexuality is considered as embracing a bigoted mentality and thus many refrain from speaking out against it. Yet, the command against homosexuality is not something fabricated by the bigots put forth years after the Qur’an was revealed; it is forbidden by the Qur’an itself. Therefore, it’s not open to any other interpretations. It is important to note that we are against the homophobic actions some people engage in out of hatred such as assault or beatings or any other kind of misbehavior. In the extremist Islamic perspective, homosexuals are to be thrown from rooftops or exposed to physical assault, which we certainly condemn in no uncertain terms. When it comes to homosexuality, what we are against is the spiritual, moral and physical damage it imposes on societies, especially on children. The solution for this is absolutely not violence, but proper education.

As of late, homosexuality has increased to a great extent and those who oppose it or take a stand against it are considered abnormal and are isolated in society. Some homosexual activists promote same-sex marriage and their rights day and night in TV programs, newspaper columns and in social media. They endeavor to portray the homosexual way of life as ordinary, healthy and similar to typical heterosexual families. As a matter of fact, all this is no more than mere eyewash. Yet, homosexuality is indeed a very serious danger to society morally, physically and economically.

Approaching the issue from a moral perspective, in countries where same-sex marriage has been legalized, the concept of the family has been ruined and the number of illegitimate children being born has skyrocketed; to wit, in some areas in Scandinavia, 80% of children are born outside of a married family. Embracing homosexuality inevitably destroys social morality by distorting the nature of families and thus raising the children in an unvirtuous lifestyle. That is to say, it is not unpredictable to encounter higher rates of sexual molestation with homosexual parents. As per statistics, 29% of children had been particularly subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent. We should bear in mind that the real number is astronomical; this is only the recorded percentage and there are indeed much more similar cases but the abused children are either too ashamed or too scared to report the incidents.

The mental health of homosexuals is also precarious. In accordance with a health report from the US, homosexuals are about 50% more likely to be subject to depression and engage in substance abuse than the rest of the general public and the risk of suicide is more than 200%. The median lifespan of a homosexual is 24 years shorter than that of a heterosexual person. Homosexuals tend to die in their early 50s or late 40s if AIDS is the cause of death, while heterosexuals tend to die in their mid 70’s.

It is an old story that AIDS is the primary cause of death of homosexuals. In a study in 2008 one in five homosexuals in 21 big US cities were infected with HIV and almost half of them were unaware of their infection. They are also prone to many other STD’s which are harmful both to themselves and the entire society. Being unaware of these infections, homosexuals are in a risk group of spreading the diseases extensively in a society through blood donations or injections or having significantly higher levels of promiscuity as one study shows that 28% of homosexuals have had more than 1,000 partners. Additionally, AIDS is damaging to the economy and to the governments that fight against it: In the US alone, government investment in the domestic response to HIV has risen to more than $24 billion per year.

This list of threats goes on forever and it is an obligation to raise public awareness in order to take the necessary precautions to foster a better and healthy environment. Our intention is to counsel these homosexual people to abandon the abnormality that affects them and the people around them and their activists to stop promoting it as if it is all a bed of roses, because it is not. Every human life matters in society and we are ready to work on the salvation of everyone. Especially these days supporting homosexuality is being presented as a way of promoting freedoms and enlightening people about these facts is one of the ways to reach it. Conscious people have to take the responsibility to brighten this darkness being imposed on Muslim communities before it is too late.

Harun Yahya, News Rescue 2 Comments [5/26/2016 2:27:51 PM]
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Quote# 119243

Families are the fundamental building blocks of society. In order for a society to flourish and remain healthy, the family should consist of a father and a mother who are able to produce and give rise to children. However, there is a rising trend in many Western countries, which is intrinsically in contradiction to what is considered a normal society: same-sex marriage. As of late, being modern and classy in society requires freedom, which is definitely true, but according to the changing western cultures and values that includes acceptance of same-sex marriage. Furthermore, many activists promote homosexuality as another human rights issue that must undeniably be protected. Some endeavor deliberately to oppose religious values and merits while some are misguidedly following them in order to be hip, modern, trendy and in tune with their notion of what a new modern culture should consist of. They are usually unaware of the damage it is imposing on society, especially on children and the young generation.

Accordingly, homosexual activists use every opportunity they get in order to spread their homosexual lifestyles both within their communities and outside their communities. The media seems to be the leading tool used to disseminate and justify their argument. Homosexual lifestyle and those promoting such rights are increasingly finding support and legitimization in the US via Hollywood movie and television shows, TV programs, reality shows, fashion related shows, news reports, columns, music videos, books, magazines and the list goes on. They intend to portray homosexual behavior as quite ordinary, healthy, and culturally hip. To intensify their argument, some activists depict homosexuals as very healthy, fit, good looking, classy, and successful people with executive professions within communities and societies. With the effect of these tools supporting the culture of homosexuality, 20% of Americans claim TV has shifted their opinion on the side of new form of marriages. Regrettably, in film and in the fashion industry people support homosexuality in order to get higher positions. The fact is however that reshaping marriage and marketing homosexuality are a grave danger to society via morality, physically and economically.

I feel it is important to remind the readers why I write this article. As a matter of fact, the purpose of this article is to remind young people not to fall into this brainwashing trap and to keep the strong spiritual values to have for an honorable life; in this way the members of society who pay heed to morals will respect them in the appropriate way. Therefore, it is everyone's responsibility to disclose the heinous and abhorrent acts that are deemed to be in compliance with this "new way" of life style all wrapped up in the name of human rights. Most importantly, homosexuality is strictly forbidden in the divine religions (Koran 7/80-82, Bible Romans 1/24-28) and in the stories of the holy books people who engaged in such indecency mentioned in the holy books were penalized (Koran 15/68-75, Bible2 Peter 2/6-10).

Considering the matter in terms of morals and ethics, we encounter a higher rate of child molestation in same-sex couple households. It is a moral obligation to protect the interests of helpless children in our society. Extensive researches show that children of same-sex parents are more likely to experience sexual confusion and to engage in homosexual activities themselves that will eventually cause them to suffer from psychiatric disorders, substance addiction, sexual assault, suicide, and sexually transmitted diseases such as AIDS. In the US alone, government investment in the domestic response to HIV has risen to more than $24 billion per year.

For this reason, it is alarming to view the statistics in terms of same-sex marriage and the increase in the number of children they adopt. For example, 94,627 children live with homosexual couples in the US and the estimated total number of children living with at least one homosexual parent range from 6 to 14 million. Similarly in the UK, as of March 2015, the number of adopted children by gay parents skyrocketed in the last 12 months reaching a record high. There have been many recorded cases of sexual molestation of boys by their homosexual parents and many more unrecorded because they are ashamed or afraid to report it. Thus, it is important to note Pavel Astakhov's - Russian Ombudsman for Children's Rights - evocative comments regarding the molestation cases of same-sex couples in an interview: "Russian orphans always attracted foreign perverts because of accessibility. The foreigners were simply coming and taking children for money." In conjunction with this report, Russia made some adjustments on adoption of Russian children by foreign families banning American citizens from adopting Russian children in 2012 and in the following year the State Duma passed a law that banned the adoption of Russian children by foreign homosexual couples. It makes us wonder about the psychological trauma these little children suffer. The first step to overcome this situation is to train children in terms of this threat they may experience. Children starting from the age 4-5 should be informed very meticulously regarding this issue; they should learn to take the necessary precautions to protect themselves and never hesitate to report the sexual abuses they undergo as it is not their fault and not an act they should be ashamed of.

In order to receive acceptance and compassion from society, homosexuals argue with some illogical excuses to justify their indecent acts such as claiming they have high estrogen levels or that they are genetically born that way. Yet, all these assertions have been refuted through scientific studies. There is no significant difference of estrogen or testosterone levels between homosexual and straight men. Also researchers have not found any supporting evidence that people who are homosexuals are somehow genetically dispositioned to be so. There is no genetic evidence whatsoever. Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the US, and Scandinavia during the last twenty years all conclude the same point, that homosexuals are not born genetically that way. It should be kept in mind that even if they were right, none of these would justify their indecent behavior. A person may be born without any sex or with two sexes or with some physical sexual defects but they do not constitute justification to behave in an indecent way. A person is responsible to keep their chastity on every occasion in order to live an honorable life.

Everyone should feel the responsibility to raise public awareness in order to have a better social and living environment by considering the examples and evidence enumerated in this article. It is crucial to inform and educate people about the serious negative effects of homosexuality on them and their environment. Besides, the activists should end promoting it as if it is something enviable because the truth is indeed on the contrary. However, it is important to stress that I am completely against violent and barbaric actions against homosexuals since what we are opposed to is only the abnormal acts they do. Therefore, people of good should join forces to protect against the damages which homosexuality inflicts on society as a whole.

Harun Yahya, Harun Yahya 25 Comments [5/26/2016 3:12:44 AM]
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Quote# 119242

[Without legal abortion, illegal abortion would come back with all the horrors that brought.]

Can you give me some statistics on illegal abortions? I understand the whole "coathanger thing" was a myth.

Look at the countries where abortion is illegal. how many illegal abortions are there?

Also, if there were some risk to the mom's life in kiling her baby (whether through infection or whatever) it might make her wise up, and think ( in a selfish way of course) "I don't wanna die/get injured.. Id better bear and love this baby as my lord asks me to!"

Also, with all these women getting abortions.... Have they never heard of adoption??

Another thing.... whenever someone argues for protecting the unborn someone always brings up the example of "well what about some teenager who is raped?"

I think it should be allowed in that instance and think its a hideous circumstance. But let's be realistic. Far and away most of the time women seeking abortions aren't doing it because of that. Why don't liberals admit, that very often, perhaps even most of the time it is women who conceived after they forgot to take the pill, after the condom broke, or for some other reason, that they were unable to escape the consequences of their "screw everyone but me" hard partying life style?

Half the single mothers are such because of a simple lack of self control. Anyway, should we really encourage such a "consequence free" lifestyle? Instead of our politicians caving into this spirit, they should have the courage to say "You brought this burden on yourself. You bear it."

Janice_Spokes, AtheistForums.org 20 Comments [5/26/2016 3:10:33 AM]
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Quote# 119240

I'm an anti evolutionist and believe we have a creator , I also believe we are only 6000 years old , BUT ! I'm a no to dinosaurs , there is no evidence to stake the dinosaur theory , only 2000 small bones world wide so all the dinosaurs you see in museums are all plaster cast model they are there to try and prove that we came from apes ,

Robbie Bishop, Ken Ham's Facebook page 17 Comments [5/26/2016 3:08:04 AM]
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Quote# 119239

[On vegan diets for cats:]

To me making one animal eat an arguably unhealthy diet is better than torturing hundreds of others. [...] As far as I'm aware urinary tract infections are the main risk currently, to me that sounds like nothing compared to the grievous suffering you inflict on other animals to prevent it from happening to your cat.

Paradoxlogos, Reddit - r/vegan 33 Comments [5/26/2016 3:07:43 AM]
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Quote# 119238

There are different stages to sin. One of the dangers about the sin of fornication is that it's a door-opening type of sin. When a person is a fornicator it makes it easy for them to commit adultery once they get married.

So what began with one sin has easily morphed into two sins.

Once fornication and adultery start becoming the norm, it's only a matter of time before other more debased types of sexual sin set in. Like homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, etc.

The final stage of sin right before judgment typically falls is homosexuality. Once homosexuality becomes normalized in society - expect to see God step in via divine judgment to set things right again.

It's not that God favors fornication or adultery over homosexuality. That's not the case at all. God actually despises those sins too.

"Let marriage be held in honor by all, and the bed undefiled: but fornicators and adulterers God will judge." Hebrews 13:4

However, same-sex attraction is pretty much the bottom of the slippery slope for any society. Name me ONE society that has existed successfully once same sex attraction became the norm. I'll wait...

Before you pop a blood vessel thinking too hard, let me stop you now. Such a society doesn't exist - precisely because as soon as that particular sin pops up, God starts the countdown towards the end of that civilization.

What do you think all these crazy storms, floods, tornadoes, threats of volcanic eruption and other 'freak' weather phenomena have been about? Should we be surprised that since we've been acting like a bunch of freaks, God has unleashed freakish weather against us?

"The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet." Nahum 1:3

Whirlwinds, storms and billowing clouds are indicative of tornadoes, hurricanes and severe weather. Let's continue:

"From the LORD of hosts you will be punished with thunder and earthquake and loud noise, With whirlwind and tempest and the flame of a consuming fire." Isaiah 29:6

This is indicative not only of severe weather like tornadoes and hurricanes - but also of earthquakes, wildfires and volcanic eruptions!

The purpose of this post is to inform you, that NOW is the time for you to stop your sinning, quit your fornication, adulteries and homosexual activity - and turn to God with all your heart.

People take God for a joke, until God bangs His hammer down. Then the joke's on them! The bible tells us that God is slow to anger...but that doesn't mean He never gets angry.

"It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:31

If you have a hard time controlling your sinful sexual urges, ask Christ to help you. He stands ready to forgive and to assist, if we'll just sincerely ask Him to. Do not scoff at God or His grace. His mercy may endure forever to those who've obtained His mercy - but His grace has a shelf life!

"As God’s fellow workers, we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. For He says: “In the time of favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” Behold, now is the time of favor; now is the day of salvation!" 2 Corinthians 6:1-2

May this message find a listening ear and a hungry heart today. And if you're not too ashamed of Jesus Christ or His gospel, don't forget to share this post. Perhaps someone in your circle of influence might end up getting saved out of it.

Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear. God bless.

Mack Major, Facebook 13 Comments [5/26/2016 3:07:17 AM]
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Quote# 119237

These liberal, Democrat, judges, lawyers, politicians, and activists need to learn that if they continue on their path of destruction there will be physical consequences. Yes, you read that correctly. I am all for vigilante justice. Destroy my country, destroy my culture, destroy my history and heritage, destroy my religion and my beliefs, force me and my family to participate in that which I believe to be vulgar and perverse, endanger my children and you will find me to be a formidable adversary.

Bob G, Barbwire 22 Comments [5/26/2016 3:04:57 AM]
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Quote# 119236

"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions." Blaise Pascal

Blaise Pascal was a Christian. He knew that idolatry (making up false gods--a violation of the First and the Second of the Ten Commandments) has historically been the basis for great evils.

Evils such as the Spanish Inquisition--Roman Catholics killing Christians for their faith in Jesus, rather than in the Roman Catholic Church.

And Adolf Hitler--committing atrocities in the name of God. But both fall way short of atheism, which (through atheistic communism) resulted in the slaughter of 110,000,000 human beings.

Ray Comfort, Atheist Central 15 Comments [5/26/2016 3:02:36 AM]
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Quote# 119234

The article was on the difficulty Muslim entrepreneurs face when finding investors for their businesses.

Muslims have proved they're good at one thing and one thing only--killing. That's not a very desirable commodity in these parts. How does anybody lending a Muslim money know that the Muslim won't wake up one day and decide that 72 virginal shrews are pretty companions for a corpse? They don't really protest the extremists in their midst.

Sheila McRae, Mashable 9 Comments [5/26/2016 3:00:24 AM]
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Quote# 119233

The article was a silly piece of low-grade, easily-recognized propaganda. In case Brian Hook is retarded and cannot make the jump from millions of voters (NOTE: The VOTERS are the Republican Party, not the few party leaders) agree, at least in part with The Donald, and could care less what cushy government jobs Brian Hook has held in the past or, more importantly, which ones he may or may not hold in the future. Those who have been feeding at the government trough, and actually believe what they think, believe or feel matters one iota to those of us who are the Republican Party are sadly mistaken. Let me add, I read only the first paragraph or two because I have read this article fifty times before, only the names are different. Please stop making your writers waste their time and ours by producing meaningless crap such as this tale of woe. Really. Please, just stop. Trump is the nominee and he will be the President and changes you do not like are going to be made. Grow up! The child-like antics are sickening.

Bennie Smith, Politico 11 Comments [5/26/2016 3:00:13 AM]
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Quote# 119232

Holy crap! Disagree with everyone of his positions????? Since when has putting Americans first not been conservative? Since when has securing our border making for a safer America not be conservative? Since when has being truthful calling Islamic extremists exactly that not been conservative???? Since when undoing liberal policies of the previous president not been conservative???? Since when has supporting the military, law enforcement and especially our vets not been conservative??????? Since when has actually FIGHTING for these positions not been conservative????

Clearly, this person has quite the warped view of what conservatism is to them. Opposing all of those positions Trump stands for is liberalism and I've been screaming for years that the GOP should change their name to Democrat-lite because they don't stop the liberal creep, they just may slow it down.
way to completely miss rebutting any of the points I made. For that "swing and a miss," you get one of those vaunted (by libtards at least) Participation Trophies. Keep trying little guy. Maybe some day you'll get better to the point where you MIGHT be able to participate in a meaningful adult discussion.

Robert Blackmer, Politico 8 Comments [5/26/2016 2:58:45 AM]
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Quote# 119227

Preface

By chance I stumbled upon the Skeptics Annotated Bible. Obviously a lot of work has gone into this. And the website is done quite well. But I have to disagree with the premises as expounded in the preface. The first is:

Yet few of those who believe in the Bible have actually read it.

As no proof is cited of this, and the author only quotes from his personal experience, I feel free to do the same. I grew up in a Dutch Christian family, where we actually read through the Bible year after year. Every time after a meal, three times a day, we would read a portion of the Bible, continuing where we had left before. And now, in my family, I do the same. Everyone in my church did this, as did everyone at the Christian school I attended. Currently I'm living in New Zealand and at the Church we attend people read through the entire Bible as well. My denomination is Scottish, and everyone from our churches in Scotland does the same. So it's actually not uncommon among Christians to read through the entire Bible.

The author makes another claim, namely that the clergy quote very selectively. My experience absolutely cannot support that claim, as many Bible passages the author finds troublesome in one way or another, are quoted or refered to at various times. I have to admit that this is in Churches were people are expected to know the Bible very well. In Churches where that isn't the case, quoting might be more selective, and that is quite understandable. If you are curious to know William Shakespeare, are you going to read his all his works? Or just the most well-known?

But to support my case even further consider these three things:
1. Many commentaries have been produced in the past, some especially targeted at laymen.

2. In the churches I know, pastors frequently use the Wednesday evening service to preach from a single book or a prolonged story in its entirety. They usually treat more popular items like Jacob or Joseph, Ruth or Esther, Elia or Elias, but they don't skip. They treat every single detail.

3. Some preachers are known for preaching through the entire Bible, every Sunday continuing where they left off. Their main reason was just to avoid being selective about the Bible, the very thing the author accuses them of. Take Luther and Calvin:

The Reformation: A Return to the Primacy of Preaching:
For 36 years then, Luther expounded the Bible in Wittenburg, first in the little chapel, and then in the great city church. He preached often: at least two times on Sunday, and usually three times a week, in the morning. And his method was to preach systematically through the Bible.

Calvin Courier Newsletter Fall 1997, Number 20:
He followed lectio continuo, preaching from the Bible one book after another, chapter by chapter, verse by verse.

Given the limited time and attention span it is understandable that most pastors don't preach through the entire Bible anymore. But I still find it regrettable. Pastors should do this more, just to avoid bias. The entire Bible is the Word of God, not just the parts that happen to be the most well-known. There might also be another reason why pastors avoid certain parts: new translations are so vivid and written in such plain newspaper-like language, that they are no longer suitable to be read in Churches where children are present. This is unlike the original Hebrew and translations like the King James, where restraint is always exercised in describing horrid situations.

The second premise I disagree with is:

But if so little of the Bible is actually used, then why isn't the rest deleted? Why aren't the repetitious passages -- which are often contradictory as well -- combined into single, consistent ones?

We currently have had two thousands years of the Bible as it is accepted by Christians. The author probably realises he isn't the first to see "contradictions". In my possession is a Dutch book, written by Johannes Polyander. I'm not aware of any English translation, but translated the title is "Apparent contradictions in the Bible explained" and was written in 1621. No doubt it is easy to find such books in the entire 2000 year history of the New Testament Church. A recent list of books that treat apparent contradictions can be found at Bible Contradictions and Other Bible difficulties

The author's `solution', deleting parts of the Bible, is wrong. As the author notes a few paragraphs below:

But to the Bible-believer the entire Bible is inspired, and has God as its author. To him each passage contains a message from God that must not be altered or deleted.
He has at least read those portions of the bible correctly! Let me quote this passage (Rev. 22:19):

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


So I agree with him that this is not the solution. And I will set out to show that it is not a necessary solution.

Having said this, I do not believe the approach of the SAB author to reading the Bible is a-priori invalid. As a protestant I firmly believe that everyone is allowed to read the Bible. One is encouraged to examine the Bible (Acts 17:11):

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

And you certainly don't have to be an expert in Hebrew or Greek as some people seem to have said. That's why a reliable translation has been valued always so much by protestants, up to this day. I even urge Christians to study contradictions raised by the SAB, for example at school. It might be very good for them to encounter things they cannot (easily) refute. Humility is good!

I intent to discuss all issues raised by the SAB. The SAB even encourages this ‘dialogue’ (asking for reciprocal links). I will do this by study each book in the Bible, picking a random one each time and going over the things SAB comments upon. As I'm embarking on this quest, I expect to be able to refute many of them. The ones I can't I leave to God. Faith in the Bible doesn't stand or fall with me being able to refute every apparent contradiction. As the apostle said (2 Peter 3:16):

As also in all his (Saint Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I just don't believe that what I don't understand is not true. I don't understand Quantum Gravity, is it therefore untrue?

It's not my goal to convince SAB followers or other atheists. It doesn't work that way. But my goal is to help those who sincerely study the Bible, and have questions about issues raised by the SAB. It's my prayer that God will bless my endeavours.

Berend Deboer, SAB Answered 25 Comments [5/25/2016 2:38:30 AM]
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Quote# 119226

We look at Abraham sacrificing Isaac and struggle to imagine ourselves being willing to do the same with our own kids no matter how adamantly God commands us. Yet all the superstars in the Bible had an internal advantage we can’t see: they had reached a point in their walks where their desire to please God far outweighed their desire to please themselves. We can get there as well, one step at a time, by choosing to follow the Holy Spirit’s convictions. We won’t be perfect at it, we’ll have weak moments and make wrong choices, but the more we practice obedience, the easier it will seem, and the more addicted we will become to pleasing God.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 19 Comments [5/25/2016 2:38:13 AM]
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Quote# 119225

To serve God well, we must not try to corral Him in anyway—He’s a wild and unpredictable Being, full of unexpected twists. We must keep our focus on Him, and not on our circumstances. Success is defined only by God’s pleasure with us, not by how things worked out on earth. There will be times when we will crawl away feeling totally humiliated and convinced that we botched our assignment, only to have God assure us it all went just fine. God has a different set of values and goals than we do. We think it’s extremely important to look polished and confident when carrying out our assignments, whereas God often prefers that we look unrehearsed and fumbling in front of others. As long as He gets His way, nothing else matters.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 19 Comments [5/25/2016 2:37:59 AM]
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This is where we really have to say goodbye to the crocodile theory. God is describing an animal with fire coming out of its mouth. Why are our Bible translators trying to shuffle the crocodile off on us when it’s so obviously not a fit. Because no one wants to use the word “dragon”. Well, this is silly. God has made all kinds of fantastic creatures since the beginning of this world. Just because there are no dragons around today doesn’t mean they never existed. It’s quite clear from Scripture that dragons once roamed the earth with man. Perhaps there is more truth to the stories of medieval knights battling dragons than we realize. Who knows how long dragons were around before God finally drove them into extinction?

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 12 Comments [5/25/2016 2:33:40 AM]
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The soul also houses sin and demons. So, through fornication, you’re more inclined to commit the same sins, and contract the same demons your partners have. This is why God commanded Israel not to join with the foreign women. All the surrounding nations served false gods. With all false gods, there are demons behind them.

Those foreign women had joined their souls to these unclean spirits through worship. Therefore, to get involved with those foreign women would lead to the same. If you read any part of the old testament, you’ll see the results of the Israel’s rebellion. Demons are whole beings (corrupted personalities), not fragments of a soul. It’s enough to deal with your own demons, but to deal with someone else’s, along with their fragmented soul, becomes a huge problem.

So you can see why fornication is detrimental and why marrying the right person is so important. You can also understand why God says not to have sex with animals. Who wants to have a portion of the mind, will, and emotions of a beast in them? We should only join ourselves to that one person God has for us, and be joined with Jesus Christ through obedience. To join with any other group of people, outside of the Holy God, will bring serious consequences.

The physical side of sex.

We all know what goes on here: body fluids are exchanged and semen is transferred. The problem with fornication is that every person’s body is different, and through sexual contact, unique organisms meet. The body has to handle this encounter and adapt and/or destroy these different organisms.

Too many encounters with too many different people, and the body gets overwhelmed and infected. This is where STDs come from, and especially AIDS. A man’s semen shouldn’t be in another man’s body and a human shouldn’t have intercourse with an animal. The body’s response to this is, “Woe, what the hell is going on!” Therefore, HIV is born.

Nealreal, Let's Please God 24 Comments [5/24/2016 3:39:00 AM]
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Quote# 119216

Fragmenting the soul

I don’t know how much of a person’s soul is actually exchanged through sex, I’m just using fractions to illustrate the reality of sex and fornication as it was revealed to me.

As a virgin, let’s say I’m 100% me. If I have sex with Keisha, now I’ve given her 10% of me. I’m still a whole human being, physically, but my soul is made up of 10% Keisha and 90% me. My soul isn’t whole. So, I have 10% of Keisha’s mind, will and emotions (in whatever condition they may be in). The more I have sex with Keisha, the more of her emotions, will and mind I’ll get and vice versa. Old married couples think alike for this reason.

So now, I’m 90% me and 10% Keisha – assuming Keisha was a virgin too. If Keisha wasn’t a virgin, I would get a portion of Keisha and a portion of Cortes (Keisha’s other “boyfriend”). Now I’ve got 5% Keisha and 5% Cortes in me. Now, if I have sex with more women – you do the math. Can you see the problem with fornication?

Nealreal, Let's Please God 37 Comments [5/24/2016 3:38:54 AM]
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Lust is like a dog, if you feed it, it will stay alive, if you don’t, it won’t. So here are some ways to kill lust. In my own experience, these have worked for me and I know they can work for you.

1. Make the decision to overcome lust and fornication.
2. Confess you have a problem.
3. Acknowledge and agree with God that this is wrong and repent
4. Pray to God for his power, through the holy spirit, to overcome this sin. You cannot overcome sin without God (John 15:5)
5. Cut off all sensual and sexual media out of your life: movies, comic books, novels, articles, blogs, jokes, TV shows, especially porn (duh), sensual poetry, and music.
6. Stay away from fornicators, whether they be men or women, Christian or not. Don’t even eat with them (1 Cor 5:11,13 CEV). Break off all sexual relationships with people you’re not married to, including “cyber relationships”.
7. When you go out in public, rather than staring at a woman’s body, look at her face, or keep your eyes on something else. If you need to, for a season, don’t go to the mall, or those places that cause your mind to wander.
8. Fast from food for a period of time to starve the flesh’s ability to lust.
9. Rebuke the spirit (demon) of lust in the fasting period, telling it to “Get out and return no more, in the name of Jesus!”
10. If you know this is a season where you are to be single, stop thinking about a wife. Don’t fantasize and daydream about your future spouse, if it leads you to lust.
11. Meditate on the scriptures throughout this article series instead of thinking about women.

I say that lust is part of the problem because there are often other issues like loneliness, discontentment, generational curses, depression, emptiness, no purpose, no identity and abuse that lead men to use sex, porn or masturbation as a way of dealing with their deeper issues. As you overcome fornication, ask the Lord what the root issue is, and he will work it out. Only with the Lord’s help can you be entirely free. Also know that he was also tempted in these areas, so he understands us

Nealreal, Let's Please God 34 Comments [5/24/2016 3:38:45 AM]
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Quote# 119214

When you search out who runs and/or owns these corporations, you’ll find more men of so called Jewish descent. So what’s my point here? Well, Jews claim to be the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. American Christians are encouraged to send money and bless the people of Israel. But being Israelites, the chosen people of the most high God, there are consequences for such sins against humanity.

To destroy multiple countries with fornication, lies, abortion, violence, witchcraft, murder, drug abuse and homosexuality (with Tel Aviv, Israel being named the gayest city in the world)—don’t you think a holy God has a problem with that? Especially with a people he supposedly chose as his own? Don’t we read in the bible of multiple times where he sent his people into captivity for these sins against him?

The world’s media is immoral and they control it. If these were righteous men, they wouldn’t allow that kind of content. Yet sin prevails through their media. The bible says there are immediate consequences for such actions for the people of God, but nothing seems to be happening to these men or their people; and they continue to prosper. Where are the curses God said would be laid on their people for this kind of disobedience (Deut chapter 28)? There are none because these are not the real Jews. As expressed in my article about who the real Jews are, these people are imposters. The bible calls them out:

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Rev 2:9)

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee (Rev 3:9).

Now of course, not all the people who claim Jewish descent serve Satan, but from the content of the worldly media, it’s clear that these Jewish owners are of the synagogue of Satan. That’s just something to think about. Research Khazarian Jews and you’ll discover their true origins.

So next time, you wanna blame rap music and black people for their condition, don’t forget to point out the fake Jews behind it all. These powerful men could change the content of most of the world’s media tomorrow, but they won’t because they work for Satan while maintaining racism/white supremacy.

Who are the real Israelites? The so called black men and women suffering in the ghettos for their sins against the all mighty God; the ones racism/white supremacy/zionism hits the hardest, that’s who. Pray that they wake up; pray for their collective repentance and bless them if you can.

And please stop sending money to Israel.

Nealreal, Let's Please God 12 Comments [5/24/2016 3:16:30 AM]
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Quote# 119212

And the reason homosexuality is being pushed so hard in the Black Diaspora is again, Black men have the most genetic power to breed whites out of existence. So white fascists either want Black men to be gay or if we’re straight, they want us to marry and mate with white women so our offspring will have less of the genetic power we do to bring about the demise of their people.

Now, what I’m not saying is that gay men are intrinsically evil or morally obtuse because of their sexual victimization or orientation. What I am saying is when you come across one of these ‘good-looking’ gay men, you should feel more empathy than anger towards them. Cause you now know he was NOT BORN THAT WAY! AND NO ONE IS! He was victimized into that sexual orientation, and more than likely, he’ll never know what it’s like to operate in his natural sexuality.

Like I’ve said in the past, homosexuality is a ‘death-style’ not a lifestyle. But there is a cure for this ‘death-style’ if anyone reading this is interested in correcting and getting back to their natural sexuality.

And fortunately, the cure is the same for dealing with any other mental trauma. Anyone wanting to rid their psyche of a trauma must first consciously recognize the event that is causing some kind of character defect, and then subconsciously, they must recondition themselves out of that pain.

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But for anyone reading this who’s struggling with any kind of trauma, understand living with its effects is not an inevitability. We have psychic tools to help us master our minds and conquer these demons.

But again, it takes work to be victorious over these psychic maladies. And in the case of mainstreamed homosexuality, its victims are duped into believing that their sexual orientation is a life sentence.

So for anyone reading this, regardless of your sexual orientation, understand there’s no mental oppression that can’t be overcome by working it out in the subconscious. But you have to choose to do the hard work associated with winning out over whatever trauma ails you.

And this is your life we’re talking about people…so for your own future’s sake, make sure you choose wisely.

MontUHURU Mimia, The Cinematic Symbolism Blog 18 Comments [5/24/2016 3:04:51 AM]
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Quote# 119207

I think you are misrepresenting what you believe about Muslim with what Christ actually says:

There is no connection and it cannot be deemed the same thing.

Christ says " If you obey my commandments and keep my words you will know the truth and if the words he speaks comes from himself or God. In fact God will with Christ reveal themselves to the individual.
Islam makes NO SUCH PROMISE.

So you are deliberately misrepresenting something else to mean the same as Christ and God revealing themselves.
NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL. So you cannot use what you have said as any kind of comparison.


Sassy, Religion and Ethics 11 Comments [5/24/2016 3:03:09 AM]
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