Quote# 55517

Why do atheists deny the immorality that atheism causes?

It seems that atheists always try to force things on us such as homosexuality, feminism, evolution, etc. 50 years ago people had morals, and today now that people have moved away from god they are starting to lose their morals and their minds. Just look at what happens when you remove God from schools, things like columbine and virginia tech occur. People join gangs now instead of bible studies. And last month someone even spray painted our church. Plus, Sarah Palins church was destroyed. Don't try and tell me that Christianity and it's followers has killed the most people in the past, there is no factual evidence of that.

Atheists why can't you just admit that atheism is just as bad as what you are accusing Christianity of? Are you blind of the immorality of society today?

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I said you can't prove that Christianity has killed the most people, I didn't say that its followers hadnt killed anyone at all. typical atheists, can't even understand a simple sentence. Oh, and nobody answered the question yet. But then again, asking for an honest atheist is probably a bit much.

Byron, Yahoo! Answers 40 Comments [1/5/2009 11:24:02 PM]
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Submitted By: M.M.

Quote# 125530

A 19-year-old aspiring model was killed by a train during a photo shoot at the tracks.

Heartbreaking? Reports released in 2 successive days for what? An unmarried pregnant 19 year old from a broken family who was working on her second child with a 25 year old bum outside of Houston gets run over by a BNSF freight train for lack of common sense. Great story. Next!

American Citizen, Yahoo! News 20 Comments [3/18/2017 6:21:09 PM]
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Quote# 125477

Congressman Steve King [R, Iowa] believes dog fighting should not be illegal in in the United States.

His explanation for this baffling statement? Since humans are allowed to fight, why not allow dogs as well? ‘It’s wrong to rate animals above human being’ King opinatined during an interview at a town hall.

‘There is something wrong with society to make it a crime to watch dog fighting, but there is no law that bans somebody to watch people fight’. (An audio recording of his statement can be listened below in the video).

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Unfortunately, Mr. King has a lot to catch up. I have also learned that this is not the first time Congressman King has sparked outrage in the animal rights community.

1. In February 2010, King tweeted that he chased and shot a raccoon because the helpless animal had tried to get into his house during a powerful storm.

2. In July 2012, King strongly opposed the McGovern amendment (in connection to the 1012 farm bill) that would have established penalties for knowingly attending an animal fiht and for bringing underage children to such events.

3. King was also one of the members that voted against an upgrade of penalties for transporting fighting animals across state lines in 2007.

Steve King, Doggies 18 Comments [3/18/2017 6:10:07 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 74989

Fundamentalist Christians are hijacking Religious Instruction (RI) classes in Queensland despite education experts saying Creationism and attempts to convert children to Christianity have no place in state schools.

Students have been told Noah collected dinosaur eggs to bring on the Ark, and Adam and Eve were not eaten by dinosaurs because they were under a protective spell.

Critics are calling for the RI program to be scrapped after claims emerged Christian lay people are feeding children misinformation.

About 80 per cent of children at state primary schools attend one half-hour instruction a week, open to any interested lay person to conduct.

...A parent of a Year 5 student on the Sunshine Coast said his daughter was ostracised to the library after arguing with her scripture teacher about DNA.

"The scripture teacher told the class that all people were descended from Adam and Eve," he said.

"My daughter rightly pointed out, as I had been teaching her about DNA and science, that 'wouldn't they all be inbred'?

"But the teacher replied that DNA wasn't invented then."

Queensland Religous Instructors, news.com.au 87 Comments [8/8/2010 3:32:46 AM]
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Submitted By: Damned at Random

Quote# 125453

Reminder that you will be brooding on the memories you have for the rest of your life

From ages past, writers have always written and reminisced about their youth and the energy, romance, and happiness they experienced during it. Even when Hitler was the leader of Germany, he wrote to his childhood friend saying that his teenage years were the best part of his life, despite being incel.

You're too old to make any new real memories in any way. The biggest thing you can do is save up money to go visit the beach or some shit and pretend you had a good time. If you're anything like me, all your memories are of TV shows and video games you played during your childhood, and you feel homely when you find a soundtrack to one of those old games or something.

That's it. That's all we've got in life. No memories, a dusty room with nothing in it.

Zen_Overlord, /r/incels 21 Comments [3/16/2017 8:37:40 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 85457

What I believe is this: if you masturbate, you will turn into a homosexual, if you aren't one already. If you become a homosexual, it's only a matter of time before you gratify yourself with an animal, and you will catch AIDS and die.

Michael Crook, Michael Crook's Blog 83 Comments [1/3/2012 4:16:01 AM]
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Quote# 50602

Boy guys, can it get any worse. There is no regard for life anymore. Kudos to this Mom, she's got guts to stand her ground in this liberal State of Oregon.

Oregon mom won't return 'Bunny Suicide' book
by The Associated Press
Monday October 20, 2008, 5:54 AM
One way or another, a Halsey woman promises to keep a popular cartoon book out of the Central Linn High School library.

Taffey Anderson says "The Book of Bunny Suicides" is not appropriate for anyone, but especially children. She inspected the book her 13-year-old son checked out of the library, and what she saw convinced her to never return it.

The 2003 book by British author Andy Riley is a collection of cartoons showing a rabbit attempting to end his life in bizarre ways. Anderson's son told her he checked it out because his friends said it was funny.

"It is a comic book, but that's not funny. Not at all," Anderson told the Albany Democrat-Herald newspaper. "I don't care if your kid is 16, 17, 18. It's wrong."

mollymouse, RR 73 Comments [10/26/2008 12:08:15 AM]
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Quote# 5993

I may pray for God to bless America but I already know that He will not because of the baby slaughter and the Sodomites

SouthernIndependence, NucleusWeb Teen Hang Out 11 Comments [2/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 125555

Some children initiate adult contact and are active participants.

Sorry, just trying to get your facts correct. You and u/herrhiskelig imply that a child would never choose to initiate or willingly participate in a sexual relationship with an adult. Studies show that you are both wrong.

You imply (wrongly) that only a person who is not entirely sound of mind would believe a child want to have sex with them.

Quote from: http://www.mhamic.org/sources/constantine.htm

research and clinical reports leave little doubt that some children do initiate the contacts and many participate willingly. Nine studies in the review confirmed this, although initiative on the part of the child was rare in father-daughter incest.

Children can enjoy sex and masturbation, many do. Children can initiate sex and some do. Children can be willing and even enthusiastic participants.

you should understand that NO, a child does not want to have sex with you

Yes, sometimes a child does want to have sex with an adult

No, a child cannot make choices in sexual matters b/c he/she is not developmentally capable of understanding the consequences and complexities of adult sexuality nor the risks involved. He/she doesn't yet know who to trust and why, how to protect himself, how to advocate or be an equal partner, etc. In many cases, the child isn't even physically developed enough for that level of interaction.

No, a child cannot make choices in sexual matters b/c he/she is not developmentally capable of understanding the consequences and complexities of adult sexuality nor the risks involved. He/she doesn't yet know who to trust and why, how to protect himself, how to advocate or be an equal partner, etc. In many cases, the child isn't even physically developed enough for that level of interaction.

Many children know how to be quite firm with their opinions, many are more firm with their opinions than adults. Though not all do, the study I linked originally found that passively unwilling children were the most often harmed by an adult/child sexual experience, actively unwilling children generally sought help quickly and actively or passively willing children generally enjoyed the experience and thus were less often harmed (some even benefited from the experience).

The "consent" part it mostly just opinion. This Alderson would disagree.

Alderson performed seven studies (some in collaboration with other scientists) throughout the 1990s on children’s capacity to give informed consent to medical procedures, and concluded that children as young as 5 or 6 are capable of informed consent if adequately informed. Waites (2005) argued very convincingly that her work and its conclusions translate readily into the sexual sphere, though he argues (badly) that children are not adequately informed about sex in our society and therefore cannot give informed consent to sexual activity. (The answer to that is obvious.) As far as I know, Alderson’s work constitutes the only sustained and detailed scientific analysis of children’s capacity to give informed consent, and before the 1990s no such analysis existed. Ages of consent were certainly not set on the basis of such capacity, and Waites shows how consent was not a genuine factor in so-called ‘age of consent’ legislation until the second half of the 20th century.

So 5 or 6 year olds are capable of making decisions on medical procedures (including "informed consent") if adequately informed, but not of consenting to sex. The only reason for this is that our society tries very hard to make sure that children are not "adequately informed" when it comes to sex. Which ironically, can lead to higher rates of unsafe sex when young t(w)eens begin to engage in sexuality, but have not been educated on safe sex - though I'm assuming we both agree that "abstinence only" sex education is a terrible idea.

You make a few more assumptions/implications about the sexuality. One is that any adult/child interactions are "adult sexuality", but in reality only a small minority of "sexual abuse" involves actual penetration and intercourse; likely because when the child is a willing participant and respected by their partner, than the child will say no when they don't enjoy something (and many children are not physically ready for intercourse) and have that choice be respected.

"oh this 10 year old wants to have an adult sexual relationship"

Again, you seem focused on the "adult", but you don't know that they original subject (the pedophile from the podcast) was in or wanted an adult sexual relationship. As I said above, most child/adult sexual interactions do not involve intercourse. It is more likely that the adult was participating at the child's level in order to make it fun for the child, or because the child did not want to participate in intercourse.

There are quite a few online communities (including r/pedofriends) of pedophiles who don't harm anyone. I am a pedophile myself and would never harm a child. Over 50% of child molesters are not pedophile (they have some other mental condition that leads them to molest a child).

Many pedophiles avoid children to avoid sexual feelings. I am not part of that group, I actively associated with children and have one girl I am very close with. I love her and would rather hurt myself than hurt her.

That said, there is a question of what exactly constitutes "harm". What if the child is a willing participant (maybe even the one pursuing more), society would say that kissing a child; even one who wanted to be kissed by you, is harmful. I don't agree with that, but I do follow the social rules in order to avoid legal issues (and to be able to keep seeing her)

pfta2a, reddit 9 Comments [3/19/2017 4:04:35 PM]
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Quote# 17533

[In response to a poll asking: Would you comitt genocide if God ordered you to? One poster writes 'I'd tell Him to send me to hell, but that I couldn't kill a baby for the sins of its parents. To me personally, God has to conform to morality, not vice versa. I don't worship Him because He is omnipotent.']

You're suppose to worship God because He is King and is Lord of our lives. In any kingdom, whenever a decree of the King is ignored or disobeyed there are consequence's.

You don't chose why you worship Him, He choses for you why you shpould worship Him!

nephilimiyr, Christian Forums 29 Comments [11/29/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: PassingThrough

Quote# 121554

Morality itself tends to fluctuate in time, and who is to say that generations from now, our highest ideals won't be viewed as obscene? Afterall, at one point the KKK, slavery, genocide and torture were all viewed as acceptable. They still are in parts of the world. So by what morals and during what time period would one hold an immortal being to?

Another argument against holding God to human morals is that It isn't human. We don't hold animals to human ethical standards. If we did, we would have to arrest them for murder, public indecency, rape, incest and a whole gamut of other immmoral crimes. Since God isn't a human being, holding him to our standards is likewise pointless.

So I suppose in retrospect, if God ordered me to commit genocide, I probably would. I would have to be reasonably assured that is was actually God. But if so convinced, I would have no moral problem with it. Like my Mother says :\"Son, I brought you into this world, don't think I won't take you out.\"

Cerebulon, FSTDT 27 Comments [9/12/2016 1:58:38 AM]
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Quote# 125544

Is this BS story back again? More of the rewriting of history to make this stupid teenager from up North in Chicago a martyr instead of a fool who was warned by his cousins to leave her alone and not to be whistling at her. He was also bragging he had a white girlfriend back home. There was a PBS Special called the American Experience where they already did this his story and went into full detail of the events leading up to this murder. PBS being Progressive would have changed it to make him look like a totally innocent person in his death.

I suspect this co@cky teenager would have grown up to be a rapist of a white women or a Pimp back home in Chicago if he had lived.

Jake West, CBS News 12 Comments [3/19/2017 1:53:29 PM]
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Quote# 125536

Regarding the talk about FAKE NEWS, remember: the two greatest FAKE NEWS items permeating the culture are molecules-to-man evolution and millions of years.

The claim that the universe and life arose by natural processes is one of those FAKE NEWS items that permeates education and the culture.

The ministry of Answers in Genesis, Creation Museum, and Ark Encounter exist to help overcome the FAKE NEWS and disseminate the truth of creation and the gospel message. “Have you not known? Have you not heard?The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 40:28).

Ken Ham, Ken Ham's Facebook page 14 Comments [3/19/2017 1:51:36 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125538

[Comment under '"Paris, once known as Europe's city of romance is now an Islamic terror hot bed. France, save yourselves in the upcoming elections!"']

Who are they going to elect that will not only stop kebab but remove kebab? All kebab must be removed - men, women, children.

JonathanLamppost, Reddit - r/The_Donald 14 Comments [3/19/2017 1:52:09 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 125548

It would be of big importance what kind of pedo's he is going after, if he is going after any pedo regardless of what kind, thats well beyond something I am ok, or indifferent about, cause ya know people that actually don't harm children but say look at loli **** can and sometimes are considered by law to be pedos and they really arent hurting anyone. Also there is the whole evidence thing.

That being said, on one hand I don't like kiddie fiddlers, but on the other hand I believe in basic human rights and more importantly fair legal treatment and the whole innocent until proven guilty thing. Also don't like vigilantes outside of cases where the law is doing NOTHING about a problem, like the rapeugee **** and the whole sex slave **** in Rotherham or w/e it was.

child porn, of any kind, even loli hentai type stuff, is illegal in several places across the world. Still I don't want someone getting murdered for not actually hurting anyone, and I know people will argue that they are contributing to the harm of children, which is a dangerous mind set in of itself, as the person in question that is just looking at the stuff is not doing it.

Looking at child porn is one of them grey zone on the fence kinda thing, I don't like the idea of a child being abused for that ****, but at the same time I'm not going to blame the person viewing it for the abuse, it gets a little more one sided with pay for content type **** but still its hard for me to side either way on this and there are a ton of different ideals fighting against each other over it for me, specially when you consider that the outcome is someone's life is pretty much ruined if convicted for simply watching the ****.

arkis, funnyjunk 10 Comments [3/19/2017 3:47:33 PM]
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Quote# 125483

[On intelligence agencies criticizing Trump]

If this traitorous conduct within the intelligence community continues, and Congress spends its time on other matters, the only alternative Trump might have is to drastically cut the intelligence community’s $50 billion budget. Perhaps that would get their attention.

Cliff Kincaid, BarbWire 14 Comments [3/18/2017 2:49:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125485

A liberal is a morally bankrupt individual who does not have the moral clarity that is only present in Sacred Scripture. They are typically against traditional marriage, for deviant family units that are far removed from the nuclear family, against life for the unborn, and for corruption in the world that results from the degradation of traditional values that the nation's founders had.

Liberals include such individuals as former President Barack Hussein Obama, former Secretary of State and current sad loser Hillary Rodham Clinton, her husband and former philanderer in chief Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton, and noted heathen/seductress Taylor Swift. These individuals are quite clearly morally bankrupt, and their influence in modern society has led to the coarsening of American culture, to the point that America is catching up to secular Europe in vulgarity.

Marxists such as Obama and Swift claim some form of Christianity, but are usually atheists in hiding. Obama was classified as a non-denominational Protestant, but besides going to the hateful "church" of "Rev." Jeremiah Wright, Obama has shown no interest in the Lord. Swift is a nominal Episcopalian, a liberal denomination that allows practicing lesbian "bishops" and "priests."

Elvis is King, RealWiki 8 Comments [3/18/2017 2:50:13 AM]
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Quote# 125486

"Gay rights are human rights."- Hillary Rodham Clinton

Hillary Rodham Clinton (born October 26, 1947) is an American loser of elections, who rose to fame as the First Lady and wife to former President Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton. Her main move was a failed push for Crazy Bernie style health care, which failed because the American people were too wise to buy into the notion of government controlled health care. She moved to New York after being First Lady to run for the US Senate, because she knew that she would have lost that bid in her real home state of Arkansas. Clinton ran for President in the 2008 Democratic Presidential primaries, and lost to then-Senator Barack Hussein Obama, who was an unknown community organizer beforehand. Obama offered Clinton the secretary of state position, and she took it, because it was a consolation prize for losing. Her main action as secretary of state was allowing four Americans to die in Benghazi, Libya, because of her liberal lack of moral clarity. As a nominal Baptist, Clinton has no idea about the truths in the Bible. In 2016, she barely was able to fend off a primary challenge in the Democratic Presidential primaries by Crazy Bernie Sanders because the media, DNC, and other agents ensured her weak sauce victory. Clinton was unable to win an election that was rigged in her favor and lost to Republican Donald Trump in the Electoral College. Clinton won the popular vote by over three million votes because of illegal votes in looney liberal California.

Elvis is King, RealWiki 6 Comments [3/18/2017 2:50:18 AM]
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Quote# 125487

"President" Barack Hussein Obama has a pro-abortion record. He supports Roe v. Wade.

On November 5, 2008, he selected Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff, who has a 0% pro-life record according to National Right to Life. Obama picked former Sen. Tom Daschle as his Health and Human Services Secretary on November 19, 2008, who also had a record of supporting abortion. Daschle subsequently asked that his nomination be withdrawn for unrelated issues.

Around that time, Obama also appointed Hillary Clinton, who has a record of supporting taxpayer-funded abortion, to be Secretary of State.

Obama released a statement on January 22, 2009 reaffirming his support of Roe v. Wade which allowed for nearly unlimited abortions and has resulted in over 50 million abortions since 1973.

Obama overturned pro-life conscience protections placed by President Bush that made sure that medical staff and centers would not have to perform abortions. The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit on March 5, 2009. On March 9, Obama signed an executive order forcing taxpayers to fund embryonic stem cell research. He reversed an executive order that would allow for embryonic stem cell research without harming human life.

On March 11, 2009, Obama supported the unlimited right to abortion at a United Nations meeting and denied any negative effect that can come from abortions. On April 14, 2009, the Obama Administration released a statement saying that pro-life people engage in violence and extremism.

Obama stated that he would support an abortion for his own daughters because he would not want "them to be punished with a baby".

Elvis is King, RealWiki 3 Comments [3/18/2017 2:50:23 AM]
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Quote# 5939

When God made them [stars]... The light from them...was HERE already. God 'stretched out the heavens.' Tell me...what would be the point of even putting that phrase in the Bible if not to explain these things to scientists thousands of years later???

Angyl, Rapture Ready 14 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5944

Just tell this person that one of you is right and one is wrong. You can't both be right. Either God is real or He isn't. You who believe have nothing to lose but the unbeliever has everything to lose if they are wrong.

Dianne Donnelly, Rapture Ready 7 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5951

[Replying to a theistic evolutionist Christian saying 'you are using the Bible to "prove" the Bible']Scripture is God's Word. Deal with it... You have progressed beyond believing God. That is called herasy. Once again, you can choose to believe the wisdom of the world, but God Himself calls that foolish. You may choose to be foolish, myself, I'll submit to true wisdom.

Rom831, Rapture Ready 4 Comments [1/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 125495

[On Trump]

It's showing how many whiny little pansies we have in this country.....pull up your big girl panties and get over it. You think Clinton, who damn well had a hand in the American deaths in Benghazi is a better choice? If you're good with the death of our soldiers, that's on you. I'd vote for ANYONE over her. Democrats, give me a name other than Clinton or Obama, I'll listen. But so far that's all you seem to have in the arsenal. So deal with Trump for 4 years and come up with a better plan.

Matthew Hurd, Facebook 12 Comments [3/18/2017 2:51:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125500

Open Season

Are the media and democrats on a witch hunt, or are the witches on a Trump hunt? Political Cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2017.

More A.F. Branco Cartoons at Net Right Daily.

A.F. Branco, Comically Incorrect 18 Comments [3/18/2017 2:52:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125494

Police in the Netherlands have stepped up security at a school after staff and students received threats following the suicide of a 15-year-old boy, allegedly due to bullying.

Tharukshan Selvam, from Sri Lanka, left a note saying he was being harassed by other students at Grotius College, in the city of Heerlen, and online.

His family says the school was alerted but did not act.

The death will be investigated by school and city officials.

He took his own life on Sunday, on the last day of the school holiday. His family said he was the victim of racial abuse by other students and was being harassed by anonymous social media accounts, believed to be run by schoolmates.

They also say pupils forced him to spend money on them, only to not pay him back as promised.

The posts included unwanted photos of him and messages such as "Tharukshan die, you're not fit to live. We don't want you. Go jump in front of a train, commit suicide", his sister Saranya said on Facebook.

The family learned of the bullying after his first suicide attempt, in December, according to his sister. He then told police how he was being harassed and that he had tried to talk to his teacher about it, she added.

His family tried to alert the school but they failed to act, the sister said. The student refused to open up at home, she added, because he "didn't want to hurt his family".

"Tharukshan was not the first pupil to go through this at Grotius College. There were many other students who were bullied like this, yet the school made very little effort to prevent such issues," she said.

Grotius College students, BBC News 5 Comments [3/18/2017 2:51:17 AM]
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