(Fundy explains what's behind the H1N1 flu. Emphasis in the original)
Already in the news today, is the medical community is finding that the H1N1 virus is beginning to mutate, and it is taking a new form. Of course it is!
We are causing this very phenomenon to happen. We are crossing deadly viruses within ourselves, multiple injections per year now , and they will all adapt to themselves, for that is what viruses do, they adapt!
Our medical system in this world, is driven by GREED , and all these people, not all but the vast majority of these research and developement doctors, see only the company’s bottom lines, are driven for money and big huge bonuses, and it is the companies they work for, that are going to be the result of what is too come from all of this unreasonable and uncontrollable desire to sell, sell and sell for the almighty dollar!
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God did not design us to be filled with injections with the very virus that comes and go! By continuously putting all these new viruses into your body, your immune system is being weakened every time. And when the new virus comes along mutated to form its own defences, all of those that get all of these shots, will be left with no defence at all . These doctors are playing God , and what they see, is the almighty dollar!
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I don't disagree that there's too much greed in the medical system, but it's not a new phenomenon.
But if we didn't have the medicines we currently enjoy, nobody would live into their forties.
"By continuously putting all these new viruses into your body, your immune system is being weakened every time."
No, that is how one strengthens one's immune system, by doling out potentially dangerous elements to it in doses it can handle, and grow accustomed to.
To self: You're trying to reason with a person born without reasoning skills. Explain to me again how this is going to work?
Yes, because no-one ever caught flu who didn't have a flu-shot.
Type A influenzas can in fact swap genes between strains (link ), and regularly does so in the wild. Other influenza types (B and C) do so only rarely and usually develop new strains by antigenic drift instead (link ). Vaccination, even with multiple vaccines, does not increase the threat of new strains since, by definition, it will only happen in people vaccinated against the parent strains.
You do not understand how immunisation works. I guess without further research on your part your ignorance would definitely entrench within you this conspiratorial fear.
So, I DO understand why you ramble
Coo, a fundie and an anti-vaxer. Stay there, sonny, I have a bridge deal I'd like to interest you in.
God did not design us to be filled with injections with the very virus that comes and go! By continuously putting all these new viruses into your body, your immune system is being weakened every time. And when the new virus comes along mutated to form its own defences, all of those that get all of these shots, will be left with no defence at all.
Okay, stop. You have no understanding of the principles behind immunology at all. I'm no expert either but at least I've done some research on the matter. Shots help us to fight off infection and the problem isn't the vaccines, it's the fact that the viruses mutate and thus get around our immunities. Now, a case can be made that antibiotics weaken our immune system (especially when they are overused) as we don't get any immunities from them, but in no way do vaccines weaken our immune system.
By continuously putting all these new viruses into your body, your immune system is being weakened every time.
Biology fail. Your immune system builds up immunities by being exposed to new viruses. How is your immune system supposed to develop antibodies for a virus it hasn't experienced yet? By praying? Wait, don't answer that.
Hi
Edward Jenner has already been vindicated by the entire medical community.
Vaccinations have saved millions of lives and annihilated diseases like polio and smallpox.
About the only issue vaccines are causing is that our trigger-happy deployment of some of the less important ones is bottlenecking the virus's population and turning normal viruses into superviruses, much like what antibiotics have been doing to bacterial infections (we've turned tuberculosis into super-tuberculosis by accident in this way, for example).
There is no conspiracy theory, nobody is cheating you out of your money, you are overreacting. Rather hilariously, at that.
Our medical system in this world, is driven by GREED..
Translation:
The US medical system is driven by greed. So this is uniquely a US phenomenon. And driven by greed because most American are Christians who believe in helping your fellow countrymen the best they can.
Of course, "socialist-communist-nazi" countrys like in Europe, they hate their people so much they provide free-at-reception health care for their citizens. What a bunch of heathen communists possessed by demons!
I agree with you Humanity777, there is a great deal of emphasis on money in the world today, but don't forget, one of the biggest mammon worshiping sectors is religion and fundamental cultism. My God, between them, they can suck-up cash like there is no tomorrow. Their propensity for acquiring money is legendary. They can turn dough into fast cars and political influence faster than an F1 driver can speed down the home straight. The main men of religion and fundamental cultism are festooned with prostitutes and bullshit and all are powered by an insatiable appetite for what fuels them and their criminal insanity, money! Jesus is just a handy occult word used to conjure money from the masses.
"for that is what viruses do, they adapt!"
Oooo, acknowledging that (the Theory of) Evolution is fact ?! Dangerous! You'll start... dare I say it... thinking for yourself!
Careful Humanity777, your heresy is showing.
Okay, then, don't get ANY vaccines at all while the rest of us continue with our recommended immunizations. When you die of measles or typhoid or whooping cough, we'll come to your funeral to laugh.
Man, and here I was hoping to say "in before Headache"!
I would have guessed "American Fundie" but for the spelling of "defence": do you think any rootin' tootin' American fundie would use the British spelling of the word? I know Schlafly has problems with things like "colour/color" and "centre/center".
Anyway, the American healthcare system is greed and profit-driven. That's fair enough to say. I suppose I could live with it if there were a publicly-funded alternative, but that would likely undercut the practices of the current private system, and those with vested interests in that system have been lobbying rather hard to keep that from happening. It doesn't help that this lobby's got rabble like the OP all worked up and voting against their own best interests by trotting out the "communism" bogeyman.
Well, if your imagined god would play god once in a while, maybe we wouldn't have to. Oh, and the people that died of the Spanish Flu pandemic would like a word with you, but they can't, 'cause they're dead.
On a side note, I know where you can find a guy that will shake a rattle made of pebbles and a turtle shell over you if you're sick. Would that be more your speed? He works for cash too.
"God did not design us to be filled with injections with the very virus that comes and go!"
Actually, that's EXACTLY how our immunity works.
@Mudak:
But if we didn't have the medicines we currently enjoy, nobody would live into their forties.
You mean Sophocles had access to modern medicine, to live to 91?
@Quantum Mechanic
"Too bad you didn't die from smallpox or polio."
Maybe that's Humanity777's problem with the concept of vaccinations: It proves that science is superior to God - beating him at his own game.
The Smallpox Eradication Program from 1950-80 is proof of that.
Smallpox now only exists in a few culture flasks in labs around the world. To this day, there's still debate in the scientific community about if said cultures should be kept for future virological research, or to destroy such, thus making the disease extinct. Ergo, science is superior to God. QED.
Myself, I'm similarly torn: either eliminate what's left of Smallpox, thus proving the superiority of science over God - or said research to continue. I'm starting to lean towards the latter...
...as long as the test subject is Humanity777.
>:D
Our immune system NEEDS some disease or other to fight, all the time. Otherwise it turns to something within the body, and starts fighting stuff it shouldn't fight. Ergo allergies and other fun afflictions.
Re: Anon-e-Moose's last comment
It's highly unlikely that smallpox will ever be eliminated as a disease...
The reason being, that research on the remaining samples held in extremely secure research labs, have discovered that smallpox, as part of it's attempt to bypass Human immune systems, has sometime over the past 100,000 years, managed to assimilate and incorporate segments of Human DNA into it's genome...
Rinderpest, a major disease of cattle, now looks the most likely disease to be completely eradicated...
...you know, I was quite disgusted with the whole Swine Flu thing and the obscene manipulation and profiteering engaged in by the pharmaceutical companies, bypassing the FDA and getting a mandatory-injections-or-lose-your-job ultimatum slapped on health care workers in New York, and so on.
But it's not that vaccines, in principle, don't work , and it's not the people developing the vaccines in charge of these marketing things, I don't think. It's just the business world being evil and businesslike. You are crazy.
@G.Fieendish
"research on the remaining samples held in extremely secure research labs, have discovered that smallpox, as part of it's attempt to bypass Human immune systems, has sometime over the past 100,000 years, managed to assimilate and incorporate segments of Human DNA into it's genome..."
Even more reason for said flasks to be kept for continued research, just in case Smallpox does dare to do an MRSA on us. And like I say:
As long as Humanity777 is the test subject in such research.
>:D
(Why does G.Fieendish's post remind me of the basis of the "Babylon 5" spinoff "Crusade": the quest to find a cure for the Shadow Virus released on Earth by the Drakh, post-Vorlon-Shadow War?!)
Say it. Saaaay it: EVOLUTION
Also, if you're holding any of those sweet Russian biophages, we could at least do away with many bacterial infections.
Anti-vaxxers and god-botherers are both afflicted with the same malfunction in their brains - that of taking things on faith and pretending it's evidence. This is why Bill Maher isn't really on the side of the good guys here. He's anti-religion, which is normally a good thing except that he's anti-religion for all the wrong reasons. Its merely because he's a contrarian, not because he's thought it out rationally as he keeps claiming. If he'd pay attention he'd notice that most of his anti-vax friends are also lunatic god-botherers like this guy. If he was *really* being rational he'd see what the connection is between those two stances...
::doublefacepalm::
::headdesk::
"God did not design us"
Neither did Thor.
Idiot.
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