no it makes perfect sense.
how can you tell a supernatural claim apart from a natural one?
This is a supernatural claim.....
ha ha ha. Amazing religion, for amazing faith. Thus, the supernatural claims of atheism.
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For legal reasons, meaning for things like census records, Army records, etc., is atheism defined as a religion. Beyond that, I don't see how not honoring any type of god or having a priesthood makes it a religion. Get that through your head.
"There is an "undiscovered" natural law that allows matter and energy to just suddenly start existing in and of itself. "
Actually, the laws of physics say the exact opposite. You should try learning about a subject before talking about it.
It is perfectly "natural" for water to change into wine, or a ghost to appear suddenly.
Weren't you talking about atheism a second ago?
The only reason the bunny trick even works is that the bunny doesn't move around. Try that trick with a cat...!
It's so easy to bamboozle the gullible, as emprworm eloquently demonstrates, but the downside is that they walk away believing they've witnessed some evil magic.
You're the believers in magical creation. Remember? That God you claim really, really exists.
Stop trying to tranfer silly beliefsa to the other side. Christians are more likely to believe in magic as real
I think Emprworm is one of those creationist nitwits who believe that the Big Bang was an explosion of nothing turning into something, hence the reference to magic.
Fundies always think the old Cosmological Argument is some sort of silver bullet disproof of atheism. You can't use a question about some unknown thing that happened 14 1/2 billion years ago even to prove one God existed back then, much less still exists today. Cosmological arguments, even if valid, are useless to defend current religious beliefs.
Oh, yea, you know, life has gotten so much easier after scientists invented magic with their science beams.
It is perfectly "natural" for water to change into wine,
Um, not really. You can use water, along with some other chemicals, to get ethanol as an end-product, which is the "active ingredient" (if you will) in wine, but this reaction is by no means spontaneous. It doesn't "just happen", at least not according to how atoms and molecules have been observed to work.
There is an "undiscovered" natural law that allows matter and energy to just suddenly start existing in and of itself.
Bullshit. All matter and energy can do is inter-convert--they cannot be created out of nowhere or totally destroyed, which is why it's said that all the matter in the universe was concentrated into a single point at the time of the "Big Bang". It had to be, according to the Law of Conservation...which is clearly not "undiscovered".
An undiscovered law that allows matter and energy to suddenly appear on it's own would fuck up everything we know about reality and would be impossible to describe without saying "magic".
In the end I have no idea what this post is about, but it's so stupid I can't see straight anymore.
how can you tell a supernatural claim apart from a natural one?
Easy,
As for then other claims you mention...
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So you just accept these claims as true with no evidence but what someone wrote centuries ago, but you'll dismiss and call things untrue that have a shitton of evidence and can be explained and demonstrated to you?
And you wonder why people think you're a retard?
how can you tell a supernatural claim apart from a natural one?
When the claim starts with, or includes words like "Miraculously, magically, against physics" etc etc
Atheists don't believe in the "water to wine" miracle any more than you believe in the Hindu Milk Miracle. And most of them don't believe in ghost.
What? No atheist believes any such thing.
And there's nothing magical about pulling the rabbit out of your hat, dipshit. It's all mirrors and sleight-of-hand. Just like EVERY parlor trick.
Fuck me, I've just been looking at the thread on FED2K Discussion, we're talking tedium in the extreme. emprworm is possibly the most tedious of the posters there and totally lacking in humour, which strikes me as being typical of that sort of poster. Just a jerk massaging his own sense of his own self importance with infantile crassness. That's five minutes wasted.
So why do I go to the liquor store as opposed to just getting wine out of my tap?
And ghosts are figments of imagination, much like your god. (yeah, I know I'm going to get slammed for that).
"It is perfectly "natural" for water to change into wine, or a ghost to appear suddenly."
...No it's not. It's called bullshit.
"When a guy says to you: "That magician made a rabbit suddenly appear in his hat. HE REALLY DID!"
This is a supernatural claim....."
Thee Words: Penn and Teller.
"With today's modern atheism, this is no longer a supernatural claim. FOr things can pop into existence for no reason at all! It is perfectly "natural" for water to change into wine, or a ghost to appear suddenly. There is an "undiscovered" natural law that allows matter and energy to just suddenly start existing in and of itself.
ha ha ha. Amazing religion, for amazing faith. Thus, the supernatural claims of atheism."
Quantum Mechanics. Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tachyons. 11-Dimensional mathematics. The LHC.
Next question. Meanwhile, I have a question or two for you, emprworm:
Who created God? And why does he never show himself?
"It is perfectly "natural" for water to change into wine...."
Well, add sugar and yeast, and yes, it is a pretty natural process.
"With today's modern atheism, this is no longer a supernatural claim. FOr things can pop into existence for no reason at all! It is perfectly "natural" for water to change into wine, or a ghost to appear suddenly. There is an "undiscovered" natural law that allows matter and energy to just suddenly start existing in and of itself."
Hello Andy!
There's an extremely good reason why Penn & Teller are reviled by the Magic Circle.
Penn Jillette is an Atheist. Ever wondered why , tapeworm...?!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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