Isn't it strange that Americans are so consumed with images of millions of Jews dying in Nazi concentration camps that they are oblivious to 216 million Christians who died? Nobody, not even jews, disputes that less than half the population of concentration camps were jews. Who were the other half? Christians. Even if you accepted the Holocaust story in its entirety as historical fact, this is still 25 times as many Christians as Jews who died. Many of these Christians died in the course of defending their homes and homelands, rather than in concentration camps where Jews were herded after they successfully lobbied for and got gun control laws in pre-war Germany, just as they're now doing in the US.
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Wow, it's like a fundie mad lib. Oppression of Christians, anti-Semitism, gun advocacy, and a little bit of Holocaust denial and Godwin's Law thrown in.
Okay, first of all, half of 6 million is not 216 million. Secondly, while some Christians probably were exterminated, the majority of Christians involved in the holocaust were the oppressors . Hilter, anyone?
"the majority of Christians involved in the holocaust were the oppressors"
I wouldn't call the Nazis Christians, but at the same time, I wouldn't call the quote from the Christian Party anything short of a steaming pile of hypocritical, retarded, redneck, evil, disgusting, satanic vomit! Have I forgotten anything?
@ TheReligiousCommie
If they majority of Nazi's were not Christian, then what were they?
Oh, and you missed racist and sexist.
So killing Jews is OK because Christians were killed, too? By that logic, should we stop whining about Muslim extremists killing 3,000 people on 9/11, since 17,000 Muslims died in the Izmit earthquake?
Actually, the fundie OP is right there. In Poland alone, 6 and a half million Christian Poles died during WW2 but there are no monuments to them. Jews do insist on rubbing in their own persecution, ad nauseum, like, forever......as if they were the only people whose lives counted for anything. And they still think that way - in obedience to the Talmud, that plainly states that a non-Jew's life is worth nothing. Their word for a non-Jew is goyim - that means cattle; it's as well not to forget that the next time they lobby for more loss of American lives to kill their enemies instead of ours.
extreme fail
From Wikipedia,
The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly 72 million people. The civilian toll was around 47 million, including 20 million deaths due to war related famine and disease. The military toll was about 25 million, including the deaths of about 4 million prisoners of war in captivity. The Allies lost about 61 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million.
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so The Christian Party is so fail that they claim 3 times as many Christian deaths as the total deaths in WW2
216 million is about the same population in 1939 as USA ,UK and France added together (220,480,000)
Nope. 6 million Jews were killed and 3 million total non-Jews were killed in the Holocaust. That's 2/3, dumbass, which is greater than 1/2, not less. Don't you remember fractions from school?
The remaining third, BTW, weren't necessarily Christian, of course, making your proportions even more fucked up.
Your comments seem to construe "died in the war" as identical to "killed in a big fucking genocide," which isn't accurate, but even if it were, your statistics are still fucked up. They assume no Jews were killed as soldiers, which is frankly not true, but reveals your stupidity. Yes, more Christians than Jews were killed in the combined total of WWII and Holocaust deaths, but of course, there were more Christians to start off with, you dumbfuck. It doesn't mean that the Jews got off easy, it means that you haven't understood the concept of a PROPORTION.
What's he implying at the end, there?
Is he trying to say that what happened then is going to happen now because of gun control?
Christians were not killed in the holocaust. about half the victims were jewish. the other half were gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, mentally disabled people, physically disabled people, gypsies, darker-skinned people ...
Redwald, we don't like your kind around these parts. Shit-spreadin's a flaming offense here.
(Note that Polish Christians were not killed because they were Christian, but because they opposed the Nazis, whereas the Jews were killed specifically for being Jewish. And "goyim" means "nations", not "cattle". And virtually all religions denigrate anyone who isn't them to some extent or another, and there's nothing particularly unique about the Talmud saying anything of that sort, so FAIL.)
/wants to know why antisemites seem to think the Talmud is the real-life equivalent of the Protocols
the "christian" party website is a bunch of bullshit anyway.
they don't understand anything they fight against.
the irony is they claim that all jews lie then go and use stuff from jews pointing out how bad jews are.
sorry you fail at history CP, half were jews, the others,the mentally handicapped, the physically handy capped, gays, communists, gypsies, and dissenters, and POWs
@redwald: hey idiot did those christians die in a concentration camp being worked to death, tortured, starved, beaten for being christian or being in a country at war?
not that i'm saying that war is a good thing, but they weren't being killed for being christian
i don't think you have a fucking clue what the talmud says either, just spouting bullshit antisemite garbage
go look up goyim, it means nation, now it means nations other than israel
<b> Nope. 6 million Jews were killed and 3 million total non-Jews were killed in the Holocaust. That's 2/3, dumbass, which is greater than 1/2, not less. Don't you remember fractions from school? </b>
I've actually seen the 6 million Jews/ 12 million total number in several reputable sources. It largely depends on who you count as being a "holocaust" death (which is just the people the Nazis killed in their own lands) and who you count as a civilian casualty of war. So he can actually get away with that one. Although last I checked 6 million was "half" rather than <i>less than half</i> of 12 million.
I don't know where 216 million comes from. You are on solid ground throwing in the civilian deaths at the hands of Imperial Nippon. Acts like the Rape of Nanking and the Imperial "Plague Bombs" killed a very large (and uncounted) number of people. Still doesn't get anywhere especially close to 200 million though. And the people of Southern China were not normally known for the deep Christian Faith.
I suspect that he's clinging to 216 because it is 6 times 6 times 6 rather than because there is any actual reason to believe that there were that many dead people.
Let's see how many contradictions you've committed in three seconds.
a)were Christians in the concentration camps or outside, defending their homes?
b)concentration camps existed or not?. If you deny the holocaust, concentration camps get denied by default.
c)were the Jewish less than half of the concentration camp victims or were they herded to them?.
Please, make up your mind. And second, gun control didn't exist in Europe, because the second ammendment never existed in the first place. In Europe nobody was lobying for restricting a use of weapons who were never widespread.
Redwall, stop reading the protocols of the elders of Zion. Goyim doesn't appear in any other Jewish document except there and the Talmud doesn't say so, it's the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION, a stupid hoax that was perpetrated by the tzarist police. By the way, only in Poland 6 million people died as CASUALTIES, that is, as people who died in the normal course of the war. They weren't arrested, tortured, separated from their families and finally killed for the mere fact of being Polish. If we take stimates, the total toll of dead people in WWII is 70-100 million people, you know, because, at the time, the total population of Europe wasn't higher than 300. BTW, how this guys figured out 216 million Christians died, it's a wonder.
Who put the jews in the concentration camps?
"I believe that I am acting in accordance
with the will of the Almighty Creator:
by defending myself against the Jew,
I am fighting for the work of the Lord"
--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Freethinkers_League
Yes it was christians like you.
While I am not in favour of the constant use of the Holocaust to forgive actions of Israel today... Most people do understand the suffering they and some of their ancestors went through in the Holocaust. However it should also be remembered that quite a few other people went through that rather than "just them".
Unlike them the Roma got el zilcho and are still mistreated today. Then there were other populations who also suffered due to the war. All should be remembered with equal respect because to me, Nanking, Russia, Indonesia, Phillipines and the Death Railway were no different from Auschwitz. I would rather all the atrocities came to light and were taught with equal weight rather than one being treated in great detail and the other pretty much ignored since "it did'nt involve jewish people". It would be nice if other minorities were recognised.
Remember German dissidents died alongside the jews in the concentration camps, yet no one remembers their sacrifice.
Uh actualy most of the rests were homosexuals, communists, and pagans, all things 'Christians'(Bigoted ones) hate.
Were the hell did they come up with this number? 216 million. Historical estimates indicate that 9 million people died in Hilter's final solution, six million were Jewish and the rest were gypsies, communists, political threats, homosexuals, and the mentally disabled. Man those Nazis did a hell of a job hiding the Christian bodies.
ah yes, the other half MUST have been christian, because its impossible that they belonged to any other religion, seeing as christianity and judaism are the ONLY religions in the world. [slaps head] Why didn't I think of that?
actually, there were some Christians in the camps, but most of Christianity arranged rather well with the Nazies!
Back to the history books - the real once, not the Bible! *sigh*
216 million is more than 3 times as many people as were killed in the entirety of WWII, you utter moron.
@redwald: "Actually, the fundie OP is right there. In Poland alone, 6 and a half million Christian Poles died during WW2 but there are no monuments to them."
Uh... yes there are. Trust me on that one.
Man, there is so much bullshit in this paragraph that I don't even know where to begin.
Then again, judging by the rest of this guy's sites and the postings he's made on other sites, I honestly think that he might legitimately be mentally ill.
It was Christians that were doing the killing, Christians that organised the industrial slaughter.
Now, I don't go in for guilt by association but when people spout ill-informed nonsense like the above then sometimes it's helpful to point out some unsavoury facts about their co-religionists, might make them think a little (I live in hope).
[Isn't it strange that Americans are so consumed with images of millions of Jews dying in Nazi concentration camps that they are oblivious to 216 million Christians who died?]
What about all the gays, gypsies, and mentaly handicapped?
[Who were the other half? Christians. ]
Wrong. Several groups were targeted during the holoucast.
Actually, no. It was:
Jews
Gypsies (of all religions)
Minority Christian denominations (Jehovah's Witnesses, etc)
Ethnic Slavs (all religions)
Marxists and other leftists (any religion, most were atheists)
Queer people (any religion)...
and probably many others.
Have you even studied this stuff?
@ Frank
...clinging to 216 because it is 6 times 6 times 6...
Huh. I never thought of it that way. My old Chevy truck has a 216 (c.i.) engine, so it really is the AntiChrysler, after all. Who'd'a thunk it?
The number I alwaysy see of those who were systematically killed or died of starvation and disease in Nazi death camps is 12 million, half of whom were Jews. The other half were other udesirables, like the mentally ill or handicapped, disabled, gays and lesbians, Roma, and Poles
A lot of Bolsheviks were killed, too. In fact, they were the first to go when Dachau was built.
Because us evil Communists are clearly Nazi supporters.
@redwald
Your attemted comparison of Christians killed in Poland on invasion and occupation is ridiculous. They were killed for opposing the Reich, not for BEING Christians. By that logic all that died in all the allied forces can be added, which by the way is how that assclown on the origional post comes up with that "25 times" ballpark.
They systematically rounded up the Jews and Gypsies , if they knew someone who had proclaimed, in press or publically, to be an Atheist or Communists or gay they were on the list also they did not go after Christians for BEING Christians.
How would that even work? The Third Reich embraced Christianity, demanded it in their military.
Confused?
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