The nation’s largest Christian public policy women’s organization is baffled by the news of a 14-year-old German boy who has decided, with the approval of his parents, to undergo a sex change – making him most likely the youngest patient in history to receive the procedure.
“Has our world completely lost all sanity?” ... “That parents would allow their children to be treated like this is mind-boggling.”
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Tim was diagnosed as a transsexual two years ago at the age of 12-years-old when he adamantly expressed that he was “in the wrong body.” Tim is now officially registered as a female and looks like a girl, according to Telegraph, after receiving therapy to halt male puberty and initiate the development of female features through female hormone injections.
CWA’s Barber concluded: “Rather than addressing the emotional or chemical problems responsible for Tim’s gender confusion, his parents and doctors have bought into the homosexual lobby’s PC puffery hook, line and sinker.
They’re about to rob him of his ability to father a child, and render him horribly disfigured and further confused. It’s not just a tragedy. It’s a travesty.”
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Buffoonery a la Christianity. Doesn't matter that someone is uncomfortable and miserable in their current state, we must adhere to some ancient, outdated collection of tall tales and sagas to keep them that way.
What we have here is contradictory definitions. The people posting here have chosen to define someone's gender based on the shape of their body. Their opponents have decided to base their definition on the structure of the mind. I guess it all comes down to whether you think one's body or one's mind defines what one is. In order to be consistent with equal rights, I'd suggest favouring the mental definition over the physical - after all, if we judge a man by his skin colour instead of his actions (which represent mental state), we're being racist, aren't we?
The link is broken and I can not find any reference to this on CWFA, nor can I find any reference to this on the web. I doubt very much that this is a true story. A gender reassignment procedure could not in any case be performed on an individual who has not yet achieved their full physical growth; the complications that could arise from such a situation would be horrendous. I call hoax unless someone can give some bloody citatations.
A gender reassignment procedure could not in any case be performed on an individual who has not yet achieved their full physical growth; the complications that could arise from such a situation would be horrendous.
As I understand it, she isn't having surgery until she's through puberty. All she's doing now is taking hormones to stop male puberty and start female puberty.
Since WHEN did "the nation’s largest Christian public policy women’s organization" have any say about what goes on over in Germany?
And since WHEN did the Concerned Women for America start making decisions about what kinds of medical decisions people can make for themselves?
By the way, Matt Barber: Phyllis Schlafly's son is a "fag".
This transsexual would like to give Matt Barber a big fat "fuck you".
In cases where hormones are given to someone this young, there's been clear evidence for transsexuality in early childhood, often even as young as ages 2-4. If someone wants to be the opposite gender for that long, and from that age, it's highly unlikely that they will change their mind later. There are standards that must be met to prevent leaving someone "horribly disfigured". Do your goddamn research.
CWA needs to pull it's head out of it's ass and mind it's own business. What right is it of theirs to make parenting decisions for FOREIGN parents of a FOREIGN teenager. I'm sure the kid will grow up better adjusted and, more than likely, more loved by his parents than any of the kooks in the CWA. And what the fuck is a MAN doing speaking for Concerned WOMEN of America?!
"So, um, why exactly is a man the spokesperson for a group called Concerned *Women* for America?"
I'm guessing it's like that Black Republicans of America group or whatever the hell it's called that consists of about a dozen white guys.
They’re about to rob him of his ability to father a child... ...'cause the world is so underpopulated as it is.
It's "her", Matt. She's a she, and I for one am glad that her parents and the other people who's business this actually is are helping her, not belittling her or trying to convince her to be someone she is not. That would be the travesty.
As for fathering a child, what's so great about that? Especially as it isn't something she's ever likely to want to do?
Concerned for what?, for the people not at all, surely. I find, jokes aside, a little irresponsible, maybe, taking such a decision, because maybe the boy is a little confused but, come on!, maybe it´s better now, that he´s in adolescence and may cope with it better. And who are these harpies to judge him?, if he´s sinning, it "concerns" to is God and those people only, not you nosy hags. If he can´t father a child, it´s not your business. He may adopt in the future or just can find a solution. Many people are sterile and don´t care a bit about it. And maybe he was not going to father anyway, because he was not going to marry a woman, IN THE FIRST PLACE. It´s not all over procreation. Feelings also count.
I'd just like to mention that I resent the idea that transsexuality is a mental disorder. The implication in saying so is that there is something wrong with the way that I feel and it should be corrected. But that's all semantics.
Anyway, I'm not here to start a fight with fellow FSTDT posters. Although I would love to rape Matt Barber in the ass with a gay cactus.
As for fathering a child, what's so great about that?
According to Christianity, God's commandment to Man (Genesis 1:28 ), repeated later to Noah (Genesis 9:1,7 ), is to have as many children as possible and fill the earth with people. So by not being able to father children, he is essentially nullifying his existence.
Of course, God said this thousands of years ago, and now that the earth is filled with people I consider this commadment pretty much fulfilled, but then again I am not a fundamentalist. So what do I know? :)
making him most likely the youngest patient in history to receive the procedure.
Uh, what about that story of a baby boy whose parents had undergo a sex change and get pumped full of female hormones after a botched circumcision damaged his tool? Or is it just an urban legend? Then there are the intersex kids who get "fixed" shortly after birth (often without the informed consent of their parents, apparently).
Adrian - Care is VERY inconsistent. Transsexuality is a self identified condition, with characteristics a psychologist can clearly distinguish. The individual decides on any and all treatment.
What happens to babies born with ambiguous genitalia is absolutely criminal. They have no say in it, and are often left unable to orgasm or have kids in some cases.
"Nullifying his existence?" Why does one's existence hinge upon their ability to reproduce?
Sorry, Jacob ! What I meant to say was that if he can't reproduce, then his existence has no point-at least, in the minds of fundamentalists.
Well, I strongly doubt the parents just woke up one day and said "Hey, lets make our son into a girl". If this is what he really wants, its better to do it before puberty so that he don't risk looking like a sheman the rest of his life. Now, thats gender confusion...
Ah, shaddup and leave her and her family be. No one said you had to read about this anyway. Better the problem is addressed now than later when the kid would probably have married, had kids, etc.
@Matt Barber
Tim was diagnosed as a transsexual two years ago at the age of 12-years-old when he adamantly expressed that he was “in the wrong body.”
Maybe he really meant that he needs to switch brains with someone else?
Transgendered, idiot--not transsexual. Not until after he's had the SRS.
And just so you know, there's not a surgeon on earth that would perform SRS on a kid of ANY age. Transitioning takes a long time and you have to go through the steps set down worldwide. I'm a transman myself and know the ropes.
Um ... from the members of the TS/TG community I've talked with, "pre-operative transexual" is a perfectly legitimate term.
"Transgendered" is a more generic term that includes not only transexuals, but also the Intersex and even (depending on whom you talk to) Transvestites.
I find it interesting that they make it seem as if this child is being victimized, forced to undergo a sex change against his will.
Note the first section, where it states that it was HIS IDEA.
I don't think there will be any confusion for him, as he's already made up his mind. And it seems he's already decided not to father a child. (Oh noes, he doesn't want to breed? Say it ain't so!)
I do think 14 is too young to be making decisions like that.
In most countries 14-year olds can't consent to sex, or vote, for example. So are they really old enough to make a life-altering decision like that?
And no, I'm not a Christian.
Wait a minute, "Matt Barber" calls himself a "Concerned Woman For America", and yet has the gonads (of any sort) to comment on the decision of a family in Germany?
Edit: Feck, everyone else beat me to it.
I do think 14 is too young to be making decisions like that.
In most countries 14-year olds can't consent to sex, or vote, for example. So are they really old enough to make a life-altering decision like that?
There are two ways to answer that question, so I will address both.
1) Yes, some 14-year olds do know they were born in the wrong body. Some 4-year olds know there is something wrong, though they lack the words to explain it.
2) By the Standards of Care, sex-change surgery cannot be done on a minor. Although it isn't referenced in the quote above, I've read elsewhere that the teen in question isn't having surgery until she is 18.
I know a 12-year-old girl with Down's Syndrome who insists on being considered a boy. I don't think she is "confused" about it, though some of her teachers are.
I don't think she is too cognitively impaired to know what kind of a body she has. What she probably doesn't know about are the gender-related prejudices other people have.
Actually, i am a woman. Some have gotten confused by my name, a common mistake from the common people.
It is possible with our knowledge and resources in medical science to perform "gender exchange" operations. Even a 4 year old would be able to go through it.
AND, woman aren't the only one's within this group, men are allowed to join and support.
PS: STFU NOOB COK SUCKERS Xd
I'm glad to see there aren't a boatload of TS jokes going around here. Not that I don't have a sense of humor, but it does kind of hit below the belt.
As far as this Matt Barber guy... Who died and made him "master of all knowledge of human sexuality?"
Transgender people don't undergo a sex-change. They just align the body with the gender in their brain.
She probably knew long before age 12 that something was wrong.
Transgender, not homosexual, nincompoop!
No, they're about to address the emotional problems that comes with being in the wrong body, by giving her the right kind of body.
You're the confused ones, Matty, she is not confused.
Women are horribly disfigured? Thanks for that, Concerned Woman!
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