Separation of Church and state today means atheism
Then why not just let people rob steal and kill then? I believe we do start with God but people are trying to separate church and state.
Honestly, this is what that is: It is censorship of Christianity and Judaism. It is a denial of our unalienable rights, and it is a rewriting of our Constitution and history as a nation.
Why? Because everyone votes that morals must be upheld unless it is one held by a Christian or Jew. Then it is not allowed: separation of church and state.
So, who is controlling our country over such? --> Everyone against Christians and other religions.
We've turned over our nation to people who are now turning around and saying "Get out! You are not welcome here." That's separation of church and state and what it means today.
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"Then why not just let people rob steal and kill then?"
Nice straw man there, champ.
"it is a rewriting of our Constitution and history as a nation."
Which is why it's been in there since the beginning, right?
No, it means secularism. dying to know. according to studies ).
Who the heck is telling you to get out? They are only telling you to tolerate other people; how hard can that be? Even that precious Jesus of yours told you "that which you do to the least of my people, you do unto me".
When they way "Get out! You are not welcome here," they're talking about government only. You're perfectly welcome to hold services in your church, and follow your God's rules in your personal life. That's where it belongs. The government doesn't mandate the teaching of physics and biology in your church, because it doesn't belong there.
What makes you think that if the US became a theocracy that it would be under your particular brand? How would you like to live under some other religion's rules?
Trouble is, Lon, there are millions of Christians and Jews who are perfectly satisfied with the arrangements in the Constitution, the First Amendment of which has remained the same since 1789. They see no censorship and accept the decisions of the Supreme Court, whose members are Christians and Jews, as provided by the Constitution. And there are also millions of Americans who are neither Christian nor Jew. Neither you, nor the Jews you co-opt to your cause without their consent, have a monopoly on being American. Perhaps you'd better learn the motto on the Seal of the United States: E Pluribus Unum.
Then why not just let people rob steal and kill then?
Let's just reflect on the experience of France, which has been secular for most of the last 200 years. Their robbery rate is about 30% more than the US, their burglary rate 20% less, and their murder rate is about one fifth of that of the US.
Separation of Church and state today means atheism
No, government support for atheism is forbidden by the Constitution.
It is censorship of Christianity and Judaism.
No, government support for censorship of Christianity and Judaism is forbidden by the Constitution.
It is a denial of our unalienable rights
No, denial of your right to practice your religion is forbidden by the Constitution.
You're 0 for 3 - go back to civics class.
No, Lon! Separation of church and state means that the church teaches religion to the religious, while the government governs the country, so they do not conflict with one-another. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
And religion does not equal morality, Lon!
Under Christianity, Europe had an inquisition, in which innocent people were tortured and killed. In America we had the Salem Witch trials. In an African country, Helen Upkimbo (I think I spelled her name right) had killed children accusing them of witchcraft. Tell me again how secularism will lead to anything worse. And before that,learn what secularism is and what atheism is.
This isn't something new. This was something said by Thomas Jefferson over 200 years ago, buddy. It's to prevent any religion to force others to obey their laws. pretty certain you wouldn't want to follow the laws of Scientology. I don't want to follow the laws of Christianity, nor any other religion. The laws were made to protect everyone, regardless of religion. I feel sorry you don't see that this is to make everyone equal.
So holding to the very documents you've spent the last hundred years all but deifying -- holding to them exactly as they're written -- is suddenly "revisionist" now that they're being read properly and thus becoming more useful to everyone else than they are to you, huh? Fine. If we're revising things then I vote we revise your status as competent human beings because you're clearly too stupid to be trusted with thinking and living on your own (to say nothing of contributing to public policy). If you truly must be the victims you jack off to fantasies of being after a long day of holding the majority of elected offices and oppressing others with the law based upon nothing more than your personal preferences and superstitions then I say we should make it a reality for you. It's the charitable thing -- the demonstrably Christian thing -- to do.
@Hasan Pristina :
Technically, France is full secular since 1906. Before, it's been varying a lot, but still with strong religious roots.
Fun part is that the fathers of secularism were good catholics, going to the church every sunday, and being active there. Many of them didn't want the state to mess with religious affairs.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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