Atheists contradict themselves. How come people who believe in God can just tell you that God is outside our view point? I mean, God could be 4d, and we cant see him, and thats how he travels and knows everything, and heals people etc, and we could never comprehend it. But you guys always state that you can't believe in God because there is no proof for him.
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Fundies contradict themselves. How come people who believe in the flying spaghetti monster can just tell you that the flying spaghetti monster is outside our view point? I mean, the flying spaghetti monster might just be too severely fucking awesome for you to take in with your limited senses, and we could never comprehend how blisteringly awesome it is. But you guys always state that it doesn't exist because there is no proof for it.
Fix'd
I think it's more likely that god is 2d, because the only place you'll ever find him is when he's printed in your fucking Bible.
Even if god was 3d and appeared in front of me in glorious technicolour, it doesn't necessarily mean i'm going to immediately throw myself into whatever religion he aligns himself with. When he can explain away the apparant incompetence of his leadership, and his shitty track record with human affairs, then I may grant him respect if he earns it. But otherwise no, screw him.
Isn't the fourth dimension time? God is time now?
Make him 5th dimensional instead. Like Mr. Mxyzptlk. Maybe I'd be more interested, then.
Man, I should totally base a religion on Mr. Mxyzptlk.
Hmmm...
Maybe Santa Claus is 5d (4d is time) and we can't see him and thats how he travels and know who is bad and good and whose stockings to put lumps of coal into, but we could never comprehend it. And there is plenty of proof of his existence, too, like mountains of presents under Christmas trees, gifts and cards signed "Love, from Santa," the milk and cookies gone, reindeer poop on the roof (some unbelievers have tried to convince us it is raccoon droppings, but that is just their lack of faith talking). And we have multiple books about him, not just one, so we have lots of references we can cite...
Santa Claus is actually a lot more plausible than your god.
Recap:
1) If God existed in some higher dimension he could be omnipresent and omniscient and (through the ability to manipulate our dimensions) pretty much omnipotent, but - because we are limited to our 3+1 perceptions - still completely unknown to us.
2) Hence God can exist and interact with us, if he chooses, but we cannot interact with, or find evidence of, him unless he allowed it.
3) In fact we are unable to find the slightest shred of evidence for God.
4) So (2) is confirmed. Hence God exists.
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Okay, I know we've had to explain before that an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but this must be the first time it has ever been necessary to point out that an absence of evidence isn't evidence of presence either!
"I mean, God could be 4d, "
The Flying Spaghetti Monster could be 5d which would make him more powerful than your god, so why don't you believe in him?
"But you guys always state that you can't believe in God because there is no proof for him. "
Blithering some idiocy onto the internet does not constitute proof.
I mean, God could be 4d, and we cant see him, and thats how he travels and knows everything, and heals people etc, and we could never comprehend it.
If you can't comprehend it or see it, how can you be so adamantly sure that it exists?
You fail.
"Atheists contradict themselves . . . you guys always state that you can't believe in God because there is no proof for him."
How is that a contradiction, Nitwitback? One overriding reason not to believe in God is that people like you assure me that you know he exists. That has to be a lie: it is you who needs evidence, and you don't have it. As for me, I don't need it.
Regardless of what God is, anything that affects this plane of existence must in some way interact with this plane of existence. And if it interacts with this plane of existence, then that interaction and its effects should be detectable and measurable. Just as we can't actually see an electron, we know it's there because we can detect the effects it has on its surroundings.
And if God still exists in some undetectable dimension and exerts absolutely no measurable influence on this dimension, then that is functionally equivalent to him not existing at all .
"Proof", Halfwitback? How about a shred of evidence?
@SweetV-we also know there really WAS a 'Santa Claus' once - the Bishop of Myra, Turkey. Not the reindeer driving, chimney burgling, Coca-Cola salesman we know of today, but SOMEBODY.
@Darkfire-Your Mr. Mxyzptlk reminds me of Chet Gould's Joe Btspflk, or my own Uncle GzØorXx, ET. Hm, is it possible - great minds think alike?
Exactly .You seem to hit the nail on the old head there fundie .There is absolutely no proof what so ever.
Try thinking for yourself o. And give your self a minute to think outside of the conditioning of your parents and your church and be honest and sincere . And think for yourslef for a change and the answer to the hard question about your god supremacy and very soon you'll realize that for a all knowing all powerful God ,he seem to have some very allto human limitation .
here's the best description of how dimensions work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA
As mentioned above, you should provide serious proof, if you claim that it is the 4th dimension, then prove it in the 4th dimension, we can imagine it.
Just don't go ape-shit with wild claims sans backup.
We would see a four dimensional being as a two dimensional image. Notice that our eyes are perfectly capable of seeing three dimensional solids, but they are represented at two sets of two-dimensional images, and then reinterpreted by the brain as a single three dimensional picture.
Now I know why it's called Dreamviews Forums
Just because you can dream it, doesn't make it real.
You go on that we can't see him (because he's 4d, which of course would mean he is on the other 3 dimensions too, but he's invisible (and pink and a unicorn obviously).
So the reason he doesn't answer prayers is because he's not at that place at that time? Won't your buddies stone you for such ideas?
Fuck I'm starting to ramble as bad as them now.
But you guys always state that you can't believe in God because there is no proof of him.
Well I can't speak for all the others, but that's what I say.
Simple!
Just submit one verifiable piece of evidence of your god healing any sick person ever, should be very simple task since you've personally witness verifiable proof from your statement...."God could be 4d, and we cant see (him), and thats how (he)travels and knows everything, and (heals people) etc, and we could never comprehend it. But you guys always state that you can't believe in God because there is no proof for him.
Just submit some proof N/P
Why would your god heal some people and let some people starve to death or get raped, maimed or killed?
Especially 6 million of your fake gods' chosen people?
You said your god was a he...have you seen his/her genitals?
I bet you have, are you gay BTW?
And you say Atheists are contradictory...BS
Well, Dewitback, you've convinced me.
The fact that a 4-dimensional being who doesn't interact with the physical universe in any verifyable way COULD exist, clearly proves that Jesus of Nazareth being nailed to a cross in 33 A.D. prevents people from being burned for all eternity after they die.
How could I have not seen something so obvious?
As a god, I just wanted to inform you mortals, that we simply don't care. If I want mead, I create mead. That christian god is lazy and begs his followers to create stuff for him. I just ask to have someone tied to a tree every Wednesday to fuck with them, to see if they'll really do it. It's so easy to mess with you mortals, you'll believe ANYTHING. Especially that Tom Cruise guy, MAN the doors of VALHALLA are sooo locked for him.
MORE MEAD !!!! Ah, there it is...
"I refuse to prove that I exist" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing." "Oh," says man, "but the Babel Fish is a dead give-away, isn't it? It proves You exist, and so therefore You don't." "Oh, I hadn't thought of that." says God, who promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. - Douglas Adams
I think that what Dewitback was trying to get at in his fumbling way, was the idea that insisting on proof of God is unreasonable given that we might not recognise such proof if we were given it, since after all, believers have already alleged God is outside our viewpoint (presumably 'comprehension').
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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