It should be merry CHRISTMAS or nothing else.. if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date. I dont like to see Christmas watered down with throwing in every other celebration in the world, how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else! Ha then we would really hear screams and protests!
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This is too fucking easy.
Samhain - turned into Halloween.
Yuletide - became Christmas.
Easter - ripped off from Eostre, Goddess of Spring.
Would you like me to continue?
you did
you thoroughly ignorant, un-educated, stupid, self-centred, worthless person.
That is one VERY shiny mirror you have there, miss.
We vikings had a winter solstice festival around the darkest time of the year, when we sacrificed some animals and one or two thralls, and ate and drank til we dropped.
Then some stupid missionary came and watered down our festival and named it Christmas.
It didn't even help that we sacrificed* him to Oden, the True Ruler of the Universe.
* OK, I don't really know that we did that, but it sounded good...
Like Jül? Gee, who was it that took that over? December 25th, starts with a C...
Damn, it's slipped my mind.
I believe the same thing happened to Saturnalia, and a few other pagan holidays.
@ Swede:
No we didn't sacrifice him, we made him a fucking Saint (Olaf).... ***sigh***
BTW, I want the land that my family "donated" to the church in 1725 back. I don't care if I get it personally or it goes to some distant cousin. I just want it back in the family!
@ Antichrist
I was thinking about Ansgar. I don't think we killed him either. Edit: No, he died in Bremen.
But he had to Christianize the town of Birka twice, they reverted to paganism as soon as he went back to Germany.
I just registered that link name. Are there only one million moms on facebook? What has facebook against moms?
Edit. That Saint Olaf was one brutal dude. He killed and maimed as much as he could, and destroyed the London Bridge, apparently.
And he had an illegitimate son. Christian Family Values in the making!
We Swedes helped him invade Norway. Sorry about that...
Sorry but no...
it should be "Happy dies natalis solis invicti" as this is the roman festival, christians turned into their christmas (which is interesting as Constantine, the roman emperor who turned christian formerly believed in sol invictus [like many of his soldiers]...maybe christianity as we know today is just a mashup from "real early christianity" [maybe gnosticism or jewish christianity] and the belief in sol invictus? ;) )
;)
If you care so damn much about Christmas, than quit your bitching and get to work putting together a wonderful Christmas celebration for your family and friends. If you're too busy worrying about what everyone else is doing then you're only taking the joy of the season away from yourself, nobody's taking it away from you. Everyone else is too busy celebrating whatever holiday makes them happy, and enjoying themselves to give a shit what a few whiny-assed fundies think.
< how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else! >
Yeah, wishing happy Yule time for you too, from a random pagan!
No one cares what you think. If we want to say Happy Holidays, we will do it, and there is not one fucking thing you can do to stop it. And if you want to start calling Kwanzaa "Happy Purple Upside Down Day", go right ahead, but the only thing that you will accomplish is to make a fool of yourself. You already do that surprisingly will, but I'm sure you could beat your own record if you really tried.
--Easter - ripped off from Eostre, Goddess of Spring. --
Headdesk (a pet peeve of mine)
Yes, the word Easter is derived from the Old English Eostre (also spelled Eastre) and first mentioned by the Venerable Bede. However, he never gave a description of Eostre, he only said that the fourth month of the prechristian Anglo-Saxon calendar, Eostremonað, was named for her and that Christians in Northumbria had started using that name for the celebration.
Don't you find it rather odd that the 1st century Christians in the eastern Mediterranean would borrow a holiday from a culture over a thousand miles away in which they had no contact?
Also, take a look at the non-English words for Easter-most of them are variations of Passover, showing the close association with the Judaic custom.
That elements have come into the current Easter celebration from other cultures is clear, but you can't say that the Christians borrowed the entire holiday from the Anglo-Saxons.
Hey, Nancy Bell!
Happy Holidays, Bitch!
@ the bug guy
Yes plz. Easter may relate to Eostre as a word, but Páscoa (in Portuguese) certainly doesn't.
Christmas traditions, however, are clearly borrowed. I still try to see the relevance of evergreens and the like in a country like mine, that is mostly tropical...
"how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else!"
That's exactly what Christians did you knuckle-dragger. It was pagan holidays that were overtaken by your commercialistic BS.
Since my g/f's family is Jewish, we celebrate a bunch of holidays. Holidays are about celebrating family, food, and friends; it is not just to polish the knob on your psycho-sexual father figure.
Now DIAF.
A lot of the stupidity in the fundie's post has already been pointed out, but I think you guys missed one bit:
"if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the other holidays around this time (e.g. Hannukah) are actually celebrated on the 25th of December specifically. The fact that they are around the same time doesn't mean that they're stealing any date from Christmas, regardless of which came first.
"It should be merry CHRISTMAS or nothing else..."
Yeah, just like how these people tried to do what you suggested with disasterous results.
"...if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date."
Sorry lady, but Christmas used to be celebrated in January. When the Catholic Church was succesfully converting Pagans into Christians, they decided to move Christmas to the 25 of December to help the Pagans ease into Christianity and also because there is no actual recorded date as to when Jesus Christ was born. When the Protestant reformation occured, the newly formed Protestants kept the December 25 date instead of going back to celebrating in January like the Eastern and Greek Orthodox churches do.
how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else!
You mean like Samhain (All Saint's Eve), Ishtar (Easter) and the Winter Solstice (Christmas)? You already did, nimrod.
Ha then we would really hear screams and protests!
Yeah, you had those too, during the Inquisition.
"It should be merry CHRISTMAS or nothing else.."
Why should it be named for you guys when you stole it from someone else to begin with?
"if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date."
They were. You Christians came along and appropriated it for yourselves. You stole the fucking thing . Your Christ was not born on December 25th.
I'm not sure I can make it much more clear than that.
"I dont like to see Christmas watered down with throwing in every other celebration in the world, how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else!"
Holy fuck...
"Ha then we would really hear screams and protests!"
Well, yes. You likely did. Then the good Christians built a nice big bonfire and roasted all the pagan complainers. Suddenly nobody was complaining much any more.
Do you fundie retards even realize that it's called Christmas in English only? In French it's Noël, in German it's Weihnachten, in Swedish it's Jul (from whence we get Yule), and I could go on. The point I'm trying to make is that the holiday itself predates Christianity by several centuries (at least) and Christ isn't even part of the name in many languages spoken on this planet.
"how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else!"
Irony meter off the scale. Um, you mean like Winter Solstice and Easter? What about All Saints Day?
@Mihangel apYrs
"one million moms:
agreggated IQ less than that of a flatworm"
Frankly, a bacterium could out-think any of those screeching harpies.
The other holidays DO have dates and ARE celebrated on special dates.
BY THE WAY, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF SATURNALIA?
That is one of the biggest, shiniest, mirror I've seen on FSTDT in a looooooong time.
PS The first humans who got scared at the longest night of the year and built a lot of fire to stay safe would like their holiday back.
"And he [Jesus] answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart ... and thy neighbor as thyself." Is Nancy doing what Jesus said by walking around with a chip on her shoulder waiting for someone to say "happy holidays" out of kindness and respect for the possibility that she might not be Christian, and then getting mad at them for it?
Did the injured Jew say "mazel tov" and Samaritan say "screw you, Jew - this is a Samaritan country" and keep walking?
You know Nancy, if you really want to celebrate the birth of your god, do it during lambing season, not the dead of winter. The only reason why your holiday is celebrated in the December is because some whacked out roman emperor wanted to convert the pagans.
So by your logic, we should only be celebrating Christmas ON Christmas. So no more sales in advance, no more "Twelve Days of Christmas" (since it's one day!). And definitely no saying Merry Christmas when it's only Advent.
Fine, then, Blessed Yule. Get the fuck off of my holiday, bitch, your god was born in March.
"if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date."
Okay, how about December 11-19 for Hanukkah?
Or December 26 for Kwanzaa?
Or December 26 for Boxing Day?
Or December 23 for Festivus?
Or December 21 for the Winter Solstice?
Okay, I admit that last one is probably asking too much. Imagine, those heathens usurping the sacred date of December 21st to celebrate their totally made-up holiday of the Winter Solstice!
how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else
Yeah, like calling Hanukkah Christmas and deliberately wishing "Merry Christmas" to Jews just to try to piss them off.
BTW, I know a number of moderate Jews who have no problem with someone wishing them "Merry Christmas" or even sending them Christmas cards. They take it in the friendly spirit in which it was intended (assuming the greeter/sender isn't trying, like Nancy, to to proselytize or start an argument), rather than using it as an opportunity to lecture someone on their religious beliefs. They have a lot more tolerance than Nancy has with someone saying "happy holidays".
It should be merry CHRISTMAS or nothing else.. if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date.
There are other holidays that fall in December, around Christmas, that AREN'T Christmas. Instead of trying to remember which one belongs to who and what to say, wouldn't it just be easier to say "happy holidays"?
Besides, the Christmas season stretches from about the start of Advent to the 6th or 7th of January. So, taking into account the various Sundays of Advent, Christmas eve and day, and New Year's eve and day (or even just Christmas and New Year's), you'd have more than one holiday - hence, "happy holidays".
I was thinking poe. I mean, this was just too much irony. It screams at being a put on. But....alas....others comments familiar with the source seem to point out that yes, they really are this ignorant. <sigh>
"It should be merry CHRISTMAS or nothing else.. if other holidays are that important get a date for them and celebrate them on their special date."
Like New Year's Day, which is celebrated on Jan 1. Or Hannukah, which is celebrated every year on the exact same day of the Jewish lunar calendar, and therefore does indeed have a set date. Or Yule, which is celebrated by Neopagans on the winter solstice, a regularly recurring date.
Hey, wait--Easter DOESN'T have a set date! It just shows up based on when the first full moon after Equinox is--and that can vary by almost a month from one year to the next! Therefore, Nancy Bell hates Easter.
"how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else!"
Yule logs. Christmas trees. Kissing under mistletoe. All of these things were borrowed from various Pagan European religions and re-branded as Christian.
Well we could take my spouses companies way of dealing with it. After the flack they got for "Happy Holidays" last year, this year it's nothing. No cards for staff or clients, no gifts, nothing. The only thing my spouse is getting is not being able to go to his family's because he's on call.
Yeah, happy fucking holidays.
@ X-Acto Dyke
I've appreciated your contributions for ages. Rational, intelligent, wise, educated and spot on. On this particular occasion, I thought you'd goofed. Nope, I was the one in the wrong.
Jesus would indeed have celebrated Hannukah. Thanks, and keep up the good work!
Re: GodotIsWaiting4U's post
"Io Saturnalia...! The Fool is King Today...!!!" .
Considering that many of the customs of Saturnalia, such as practical jokes, were transferred to April 1, does this mean that someone's pulled off the greatest "April Fool's" joke of all time...?
The question is that it has been for those holidays for generations and, what a pity, the celebration includes buying things. Sorry that the world is more concerned with business rather than your idea of religion.
Anon-e-moose is superior to God
"how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else! Ha then we would really hear screams and protests!"
And how would you fundies like it if we Atheists started taking over your churches, sacked the preachers and replaced them with the likes of Richard Dawkins? I'm suuuuure you wouldn't protest in the slightest. Not being like those people whose celebrations you'd taken over, amirite?
The invitation is extended to any qualifying virgin to attend the High Festival of Scruidry over the solstice.
Nancy, do you have a daughter perchance?
the irony meter didn't even have time to warm up before it exploded, sending shards everywhere.
actually, most of the pagan screaming and protesting was just them being slaughtered by Christians....
and what of Orthodox Christianity? do you continue to wish people Merry Christmas well into January? Maybe Russians and Greeks think you should call your own silly little stolen holiday something other than Christmas because everyone knows Christmas comes in January. Bitch.
btw, "celebrate them on their special date"? since when is Chanukah celebrated on December 25th? i mean, i think sometimes there can be overlap (though i'm not sure), but this year, it started on the 11th i believe. i'm pretty sure christmas has december 25th all to itself. or are you implying that christmas should take out a restraining order against all the other holidays keeping them at least 3 weeks away from Christmas at all times?
Irony overdose! All your holidays are old pagan ones, that you have taken over and called something different, idiot!
It should be Happy Saturnalia or nothing else.
"how would people like it if we started taking over their celebrations and calling them something else! "
You did. Lots of them, in fact.
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