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We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals’ best interests if the institution of “pet keeping”—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as “pets”—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as “surplus.”

This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. They are restricted to human homes, where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives but are not able to survive on their own in the wild, dogs, cats, or birds, whose strongest desire is to be free, must be confined to houses, yards, or cages for their own safety.

PETA, PETA 19 Comments [6/19/2017 1:41:29 PM]
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Mister Spak

It's all true so how is it fundie?

6/19/2017 1:53:58 PM

SpukiKitty

SCREW YOU! YOU KILL PETS ON A REGULAR BASIS!

6/19/2017 2:00:13 PM

Demon Duck of Doom

Says the group that euthanizes the majority of animals they "rescue."

6/19/2017 2:50:39 PM

Kanna

Yeah. Every animal should have the opportunity to run free, to either forage or starve, to be subservient to the alpha animal in the pack, to be considered both predator and prey, and to know the miseries of cold and wet without shelter....uh...wait, is that really what you think?

6/19/2017 3:15:30 PM

Anon-e-moose



Didn't see Drew Pritchard's dog Enzo - previously at his premises in Gran Conwy, now at Llandudno - run away from such: and even though there were usually doors open: and he had the run of the place without any kind of lead/leash, except for the few times Drew would take him in the van on the short-range trips to buy stuff for his antiques/architectural salvage business, in all the episodes in all the series of "Salvage Hunters" on 'Quest' channel. Question: Why?

As Enzo would say:


6/19/2017 3:27:11 PM

Citizen Justin

Ah, PETA. RSPCA's retarded cousin.

6/19/2017 3:44:23 PM



PETA being PETA.

6/19/2017 4:02:46 PM



PETA is a left wing terrorist organisation. They can go fuck themselves

6/19/2017 4:14:50 PM

Randomosaur

PETA, the HSUS, RSPCA and other anti-exotic-pet/meat/hunting/zoo organizations should rip a page from the book of Heaven's Gate and commit mass suicide.

6/19/2017 4:30:34 PM

Dizzy Dream

Now if PETA were simply referring to puppy and kitten farms; they would have a point.

The problem is they have no qualms about euthanizing domesticated animals in shelters rather than ensuring they go to loving new homes.

Cats and dogs give love just as much as they receive it.

Our cats have stayed with us willingly; this includes a bird hunter, the one that was found in the carrier bag, the black one that literally leapt into my mother's arms when she went to get a kitten and the one that literally came in off the street because it was starving.

News flash PETA; dogs and cats are not suffering if they are in loving homes. They get easy food, easy access to water, their own toys to play with and a nice warm place to sleep.

6/19/2017 4:44:09 PM

The Reptilian Jew

@Mister Spak
It's a massive pile of lies and hypocrisy is how.
We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes

First lie. PETA doesn't give a single fuck about animals, they care about money. There are numerous reports of PETA abducting and euthanizing pets from people's homes, even pets that were kept well.
but we believe that it would have been in the animals’ best interests if the institution of “pet keeping”—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as “pets”—never existed.

I mean, that's a matter of opinion but this displays ignorance of where "pets" come from. No animal was domesticated for funsies, all of them served a purpose at some point in time. When that purpose becomes obsolete (say, feudal-style hunting goes out of fashion so there is no need for beagles and hounds anymore) you can't just release the domesticated animals back to the wild, because they won't survive, and you can't just kill them all. So you keep them, and maybe even breed them for sentimentality. I don't see anything unethical with that.
Designer pet breeds, on the other hand, are unethical as hell, I will readily admit that, but I sure as fuck don't need PETA of all organizations to tell me what is and isn't unethical.
The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis;

Citation please. I never heard of this.
as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as “surplus.”

Once again true, and once again a legit issue, but it's high fucking talk coming from PETA, who, like I mentioned earlier, have a habit of kidnapping and killing other people's pets. Hypocrites.
This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually,

Emotionally manipulative language, though it's true that breeding and buying pets is mostly motivated by sentimentalism nowadays. I don't see the issue here. Once again, unethical breeding practices must be ruthlessly punished but PETA is NOT in the position to talk about unethical practices concerning animals.
and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior.

Appeal to nature fallacy AND catastrophic ignorance of ethology and animal behavior. "Natural behavior" is not necessarily "good behavior", because nature =/= good. Just among canids, hyenas rape each other and some canid species eat their young lion style. Nature is NOT automatically good and just and fluffy.
Also, these are domesticated animals. Their "natural behavior" has been modified through millenia of training and selective breeding. Their domesticated behavior is their natural behavior now. Do PETA folks expect a dog to start acting like a wolf if it's released into the wild?! Because they apparently "love animals" but they sure as fuck don't know anything about their behavior and needs.
They are restricted to human homes,

Depends on the animal. Dogs are, cats are not. The reason is that dogs aren't very independent most of the time and they would get themselves into danger without human supervision. It's a side effect of their domestication where regular close cooperation with humans (with the humans calling the shots) meant they didn't need to think for themselves that much. Evolution is satisfied with the easiest path, i.e. dogs are dumber than their wolf ancestors.
where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

On the other hand: they can fucking eat, instead of starve most of the goddamn time. Dogs and cats are incomparably better off compared to wolves and wild cats, because their human provides food for them. They don't have to hunt for themselves. Most people don't realize how hard hunting is. An apex predator that catches its prey once every ten hunts is considered a successful predator.
Wolves are starving in the wild and during colder winters they have to eat frozen corpses to survive. Once again, nature is not this free wellness paradise, it's unfair and unforgiving.
As for the urination part... if my dog barks, I let her out. She can do her business in the garden all she wants. I'm sure there are people who don't, but that's why animal control exists, their job is to sort out animal abuse. Blaming the entire practice of keeping pets is inane.
Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives but are not able to survive on their own in the wild,

Quite possibly the only sentence here that isn't untruthful, half-true or hypocritical. I applaud thee, PETA.
dogs, cats, or birds, whose strongest desire is to be free, must be confined to houses, yards, or cages for their own safety.

NOOOOOO.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
GODDAMNIT PETA YOU WENT THERE.
You just HAD to go to the "animals want to be free uwu" bullshit. It's anthropomorphizing, unscientific, romanticized garbage that has nothing to do with reality.
"Animals" don't want to be free because there's no such thing as unified animal behavior. Every species behaves uniquely, even closely related ones.
Birds definitely don't "want to be free" because they don't have the mental capacity to "long" for "freedom". They are dumb as, well, birds. No ethological experiment ever recovered anything that would point towards a bird "wanting to be free".
Cats are pretty independent, which is why they are coincidentally the less confined pets. My city has shit-tons of cats going around the streets and I sometimes even see them returning to their home.
Dogs though... they'd have the brain capacity for wishing to be free; thing is, they don't. Dogs are pack animals who prioritize contact with their packmates over freedom. As long as given plenty of movement space and enough others to socialize with, you will have yourself a content and happy dog.
Konrad fucking Lorenz, the father of modern ethology, wrote about this stuff over sixty years ago and ever since the field proved him right countless times. I refer to his book "King Solomon's Ring", specifically the chapter "Pitying Animals". He dissects lengthily how pitying caged animals is more often than not the result of romantic fantasizing than actual knowledge of animal behavior and needs. Many animals do suffer in captivity, but these fuckwits bring up birds of all animals... they have all the ethological literacy of a slightly worn shoe.
And don't even try bringing up the "would YOU like being in a cage" argument because humans are not birds and birds are not humans. Their needs, behaviors and mental landscapes are nothing alike. This entire screed is hypocritical, ignorant and full of straight up lies.

My work here is done.

6/19/2017 4:48:42 PM

Thinking Allowed

The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as “surplus.”


I'm guessing you contribute a good chunk of kills to that number.

6/19/2017 8:41:36 PM

DB97531

PETA: starting with good points then taking them way way too far.

I will never understand why they get so many volunteers while smaller saner animal rights groups are virtually unheard of.

6/19/2017 11:13:19 PM

Randomosaur

@DB97531

"Sane" and "animal rights" do not go together in the same sentence.

6/20/2017 12:20:16 AM

Man Called True

I need only refer anyone interested to the "PETA" episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit, where they effectively and smoothly dismantle these assholes.

6/20/2017 4:55:59 AM

Musicalbookworm

Cats domesticated themselves because they saw humans as useful. Only one of them shows any interest in outside and I take her out on a leash for the five minutes she wants to lay in the grass.

6/20/2017 7:05:46 AM

Shepard Solus

And so you kidnap the ones with homes and, along with those you've taken from shelters, kill them. Killing them is bad, so you kill them before they can be killed. You're the idiots who thought "people die if they are killed" was a profound statement, weren't you?

And if you think you can control when they relieve themselves, you're laughably mistaken and your feet & socks will pay the price. You can train them to let you know when they gotta go so that you can let them out (or train them to use a litter box in the case of cats). That's the extent of your control over them in that area.


@Mister Spak:
By not being "all true" by any stretch of the imagination.

6/20/2017 7:37:17 AM

The Crimson Ghost

While you'll never find a bigger sucker for animals than me, PETA can fuck off. I support animal welfare; I will never support theft & so much sanctimonious bullshit.

Do not tell me that my parrot is being abused & neglected. That bird is spoiled almost to the point of embarrassment, just like our other parrot who died of old age back in December. We give him a damn good home. He has it better than a lot of people, & now I'm going to teach him to say Fuck PETA.

6/20/2017 10:43:52 AM

agentCDE

Fuck you, you fucking sanctimonious hypocritical MURDEROUS motherfuckers.

6/20/2017 7:24:22 PM

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