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Quote# 135192

UFO Disclosure and why it hasn't happened yet. Our best pilots and officers during WW2 reported seeing (Foo Fighters) Not Dave's band. I mean UFO's. And they were seen in big numbers. Why?

Well Earth was embroiled in a World War. We also were making HUGE leaps in technology. Rockets, Radar, and Nuclear Weapons. This brought us a lot of attention from "Others". Hence the spike in sightings. A few years later, the best place to view these new Earth technologies was in one relative place, New Mexico. Now being the "This is new to us. We should hit it with a hammer" race that we are, were able to (after many tries) actually hit upon a radar configuration that would mess with the guidance systems of these craft. Hence Roswell. We actually brought down 3 craft that day using that same configuration. And we immediately snatched up everything and began to backwards engineer them.

You may or may not know about the fleets of these craft as they buzzed Washington with Truman in office. But that's a bit later. When the Army Brass found out that we not only had crashed vehicles and at least one living being, they asked the President what they should do. The President was Eisenhower. He wisely decided "Let's stick em where know one can know about them until we ourselves actually know more. Wise. Always.

Now the tragic part. When President Eisenhower asked for detailed reports and updates of the incident, he was stonewalled. This prompted him to send out 2 CIA (maybe still OSS agents who were told by Ike "Fly out there and knock on the door. Then demand to be shown what was going on. Tell them if they give the two of you any problems whatsoever, that the Big Red 1 was ready to roll in and make the entire base one huge flat piece of land, and any employees that survived were to face treason charges.

Well. Ike got the whole picture. Which boiled down to this. The M.I.C. (Military Industrial Complex)went to their real masters, "Big Energy" first. They then asked them what should be done. Even before they asked the President. Big Energy's answer was "Bury it". You see. The energy is so abundant that these craft use, that a simple 12 ounces of it contains enough energy to evaporate all the water on our planet. But by then the genie was out of the bottle. Not only was the NSA created. It was given the power to take any money from any budget and never have to give a reason. This was not what Eisenhower intended. In his farewell speech to our nation, he did not reminisce about WW2 or the more recent Korean Conflict. No. He spent the entirety of his farewell address to this nation warning us of the Military Industrial Complex. Odd for a man of such achievements to be so worried leaving office with all the foxes in the hen house.

What it has degenerated into is Unacknowledged Special Access Programs. Which are illegal. We have completely legal Special Access Programs, but they have oversight. They have "Watchmen". Unacknowledged Special Access Programs have no such by oversight. No accounting to anyone. And as I sit here, I swear to you they have taken over this beautiful country of ours. Because not only can they do whatever they want under the guise of National Security, they can take as much money as they want too do it.

So the reason they haven't come out and said it is not because the people will be "outraged". They have hidden UFO's because the energy that people are making billions from, would be obsolete over night. Now. You want to know why we don't have an "official disclosure"? Well you are wrong. The ENTIRE FRENCH GOVERNMENT HAS MADE, AND IS IN, CONTACT WITH OUTSIDERS TO THIS MINUTE. Do your own research on the most reputable places you get reliable info from. The French Government made contact on their own. And they have kept nothing secret. Look for yourself.

It's not Aliens that they are afraid will panic us into rioting mobs in the street. It's the fact that the energy these intergalactic ships run on is infinite. It would get us off the Petro-Dollar immediately. THAT MY FRIENDS is why this has been kept hidden. Even from many Presidents. But there is hope. Because entities that exist using no oversight, and are not bound to inform our President and Congress, are illegal! Any oaths. Any NDA's, they are all illegal and cannot be enforced. Hence the rash of whistleblowers.

The M.I.C. Has one card left to play though. How do you turn a Billion dollar business into a trillion dollar business. How do you flip the script and become heroes? If your business is war, then you need a bigger enemy. I have much much more, in very granular detail, about all of this. But for now, I will leave you with what the 2nd in charge of Lockheed (That's "The Man" with a capital T and a capital M) said upon his retirement speech. Among the tidbits he left the packed room of well over a hundred people were...

"We now have the technology to take ET home".

he also said.... "We are 60 to 100 years ahead of anything the general population can even imagine".

And the last tidbit he left was: "Interstellar space travel is no longer a problem for us".

Now Lockheed got the power to reverse engineer the crashed (Shot down) craft. They invented the Fluxliner. Do your own research. There's an entire film from a documentary maker that was made about it. And he was of unquestionable repute. He was also diagnosed with the fastest cancer anyone had ever seen. Now these craft supposedly use Mercury as a main component of travel. We all have some small amount of Mercury in all of us. Now she this film maker was autopsied, it was discovered that the heavy metals were all spiked well above normal. Except Mercury. There wasn't any in his entire corpse. A message?

Now Lockheed has progressed over 50 years with this tech and as you can imagine, have come quite far from the ancient Fluxliners we first designed. Now look up the TR-3B. Also by Lockheed. And here's where I scare you and truly hope to wake even just a few of you up to what's going on. The technology exists to stage a false UFO invasion. This may not only double the M.I.C., but it very may triple it. There is SO MUCH more I can tell you. And if you are sincere, and get in touch with me, I will answer any questions you have such as I can. It's not the Aliens scaring us. It's free energy scaring Big Energy.

Before you even get in touch with me, I ask you to watch The Disclosure Project". Both parts one and two. Look at the impeccable credentials of the people who will gladly, and at the risk of their own lives, testify in front of Congress. Never before had such a class of insiders, and world leaders, and High ranking military and intelligence employees has ever come out in force like this. Of course, 9/11 happened 4 days later.

For the VERY LAST NUGGET (I promise), a former deputy of chief of the CIA was going to give us a suitcase sized box. Free of charge. That when installed, would not only eliminate your energy bill forever, but it would actually feed energy into the grid itself. Unfortunately, he never made the meeting where the handoff was to take place, and after 4 days of searching for him, he was found floating down the Potomac River.

Please wake up. For all of our sakes. Just don't dismiss this as bullshit. Research on your own on your trusted sources of information. It is now more important than ever we come together and demonstrate the goodness in all of us. Because of where we are technology-wise, and because we have killed over 200 million of our own people (and that's just war), our entire planet has been put on quarantine. Now more than ever is the time we say "Hey! We really aren't such a bad bunch. We have been manipulated. And we are sure that with benevolent mentorship, we can contribute to whatever you've got going out there.

I am a man who has very reliable sources. I start all my research from a point of trying to disprove any alien theories. I have finally come to the realization that the alarm has gone off, and we have hit the "Snooze" button several times. We need to get up. For any others interested in this... Well... Let's just say I can fundamentally change your world view. Contact me.

Hogkbar, r/UFOs 4 Comments [12/15/2017 4:20:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 135180

Nordic aliens warned humanity about race mixing and 3rd world population explosion

The 50s contactees seemed to report that the majority of the saucer pilots were "Aryans" - long-haired, blonde, tall beings from Venus or other planets in the solar system. The "Aryans," when not warning humanity about atomic war, often gave messages promoting race harmony, but softly warning against racial intermixture and the "population explosion" of the Third World masses...

There has been a lot written about the UFO-Nazi connection. Some of the Nazi elite are thought to have held the theory that there was a hidden race deep within the Earth (the masters of the Vril [Agartha?]) which they could make contact with through the poles. One of the early theories about UFOs was that they were craft piloted by Nazis who had fled after WW II and made contact with this race within the hollow earth (an idea that Ray Palmer, UFOlogy's "father," often assented to.) Today, there are groups of neo-Nazis who believe that the different races of the planet were "seeded" in various geographical locales by different alien groups, and charged with competing for planetary dominance...

These Neo-Nazi groups are obsessed with the idea of extraterrestrial "bloodlines" in human groups. Many think that "star seed" people are descendants of the Celtic races - Basques, Irish, Welsh, Bretons, etc. - and that one of the hallmarks of their extraterrestrial origin is the Rh Negative blood type. The migrations of the Celtic peoples were a result of "racial memory chromosomes" implanted by their ancestors. Some of this neo-Nazi literature suggests that the other "lower" races were the result of genetic experimentation by the aliens - attempts to crossbreed "pure" Aryan types with animals and other lifeforms.

[link to www2.fiu.edu]

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 1 Comments [12/14/2017 2:28:52 PM]
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Quote# 134911

The ex-minister of National Defence for Canada said at least four species of aliens have been visiting Earth for decades and claimed top authorities are constantly in discussions with extraterrestrial beings. Paul Hellyer, who was the Canadian Minister of National Defence in the 1960's during the Cold War, claims to have inside information that top governments are in cahoots with aliens. Mr Hellyer first spoke about his belief that aliens were on Earth in 1995, and since then has become an authoritative figure in the UFO community.

Speaking to RT, Mr Hellyer said: “In one of the cases during the Cold War, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in formation flying South from Russia across Europe. “The supreme allied commander was very concerned and was about ready to press the panic button when they turned around and went back over the North Pole. “They decided to do an investigation and they investigated for three years and they decided that with absolute certainty that four different species, at least, have been visiting this planet for thousands of years.”

Mr Hellyer alleged the alien species travelled to Earth from different star systems. There are apparently four types of aliens here on Earth. He said: “Many are benign and benevolent, and a few are not. They come from various places, for a long while I only knew about ones that came from different star systems, the Pleadies. “There are extraterrestrials that come from Andromeda, and ones that live on one of Saturn’s moon’s. “There is a federation of these people, and they have rules, one of them is that they don’t interfere with our affairs unless they are invited.”

And in a dire threat, Mr Hellyer said the alien visitors have tried to warn the human race about the way civilisation is heading and alleged the United States has spent billions of dollars on so-called "black projects". Mr Hellyer said: “Decades ago, visitors from other planets warned us about the direction we were heading and offered to help. Instead, some of us interpreted their visits as a threat, and decided to shoot first and ask questions after.

“It is ironic that the US should be fighting monstrously expensive wars, allegedly to bring democracy to those countries, when it itself can no longer claim to be called a democracy when trillions, and I mean thousands of billions of dollars have been spent on black projects which both Congress and the Commander-in-Chief have been kept deliberately in the dark.”

Paul Hellyer, The Daily Express 5 Comments [12/6/2017 2:41:23 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134829

Shadowy US secret agents, known as "Men in Black," exist, and ARE covering up the existence of aliens on Earth, a university lecturer has shockingly claimed.

The startling allegation that the long-running conspiracy theory is true will be made in a course offered by the Akdeniz University in Antalya, Turkey.

Lecturer Erhan Kolbasi, who will lead the course about future alien encounters, is convinced the mythical Majestic 12 (MJ-12) group exists to cover up intelligent alien life, Dailystar.co.uk reports.

The organisation was allegedly created by US President Harry Truman to hide knowledge of aliens away from the public following the alleged Roswell UFO crash in 1947.

The thinking behind the conspiracy theory is that the government is convinced general knowledge of intelligent aliens would undermine belief in religion and the rule of law and lead to anarchy.

The MJ-12 myth became the basis of the popular Men in Black franchise staring Will Smith.

Erhan Kolbasi, The Express 1 Comments [12/4/2017 3:15:07 PM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 134788

The moment the government seriously addresses UFOs is the moment they have a bunch of people start asking really strange questions, like "so what about all those people who claim to be getting abducted by aliens?" and "what about those dead cattle", and other things that can't be answered, and a bunch of new lies that need to be told to 'maintain order', so it's better to just pretend nothing is happening and that none of it exists. How about "so what about all those people who have come out and talked about you guys having military programs associated with the subject?", "how about all those lies you guys have been telling us for so many years now?", or "so what about those ICBM shut-down incidents", or "how about the guys who say flying discs appeared during ICBM launch testing and knocked the missile out of the sky while it was all being filmed?".

Anyone in government who knows anything about it couldn't possibly acknowledge it without negative consequences personally or socially, and they react the same way Fife Symington made fun of the whole thing when he was Governor in order to try and keep people calm after the UFO(s) appeared over Phoenix, when in reality he had witnessed it himself and years later told his story to the world about having seen something that 'shook his reality', that he believed came from somewhere other than Earth. If they know, they can't acknowledge it because they don't have any comfortable answers, and with the resources that states have to mount investigations, chances are they have more information than your average man on the street, but maybe the answers they do have are too scary or have implications that are too serious to share with the general public.

that and through human history we see examples of societies and cultures falling apart when confronted with superior or further advanced cultures, they lose their own identities and their established social order crumbles or changes drastically, and the people with power and social position wouldn't want that, making this particular subject one of the biggest secrets - and one of the easiest to keep because a majority of people think they're being intelligent by not believing it. All those big government agencies really exist for the same purpose, to uphold and defend the established social order, to avert social collapse, to keep the rich folks safe from the poor folks and the poor folks safe from each other and managed 'for the good of all', UFOs are something that might negatively impact that, so it can't be acknowledged.

ohlawdwat, r/UFOs 1 Comments [12/2/2017 3:33:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134787

I wish they were stepping in, but it seems like they aren't really able to or willing to - for some 'prime directive'-ish reason maybe. Although that is probably absurdly simplistic. Also, this assumes they are 'aliens'.

Everything would seem to add up if that were the case, though; if you were a superpower government and had zero power to communicate with or control sentient beings visiting from elsewhere, would you tell the public that? Or would you just deny it and maintain a 7-decades-long cult of ridicule and disinformation? Especially if their message invalidated a few world religions.

I find the idea that governmental or extragovernmental powers keep UFO secrecy in place to hoard 'free energy' and other advanced technologies to be pretty laughable. We've repeatedly shown ourselves to be utterly irresponsible by creating and using nuclear weapons and we still as standard policy solve our political differences by blowing each other to bits. I personally doubt that any advanced culture would make deals with a planet full of homicidal monkeys like us. JMO, of course.

blissplus, r/UFOs 1 Comments [12/2/2017 3:33:31 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134598

All it takes to burst the material bubble of the physical UFO "myth" is to visit You Tube and take in several of Terance McKenna's chats from that remarkable brain that sours elsewhere. If you can escape in your mind for even a minute the physicality of being of ourselves and the UFO phenomena that we have enshrouded ourselves, then you may have some glimmer of the folly and misdirection of the human condition.

But beware, the screams of the avid materialist, the physical imperialists, harkers of science, that are hung up on things. They will come along and attempt to be "rational" and cram you back into their concepts of neat, individual, and environmentally controlled containers they keep designing and constantly redesigning for us to accept and desire such that we won't be content to study our navels for too long at any one time.

Humans are so perspective and subjective prone that they can never see beyond their self-contained shell of body and mind. There is a whole universe out there but you would never know it plodding around in the dirt.

Aliensun, AboveTopSecret 1 Comments [11/27/2017 3:10:58 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134597

Being honest I really do believe they are influencing us in exactly that way. Like us in game reserves where we keep our distance while still managing the elephant or the supposedly undiscovered amazonian tribe that we just keep monitorong so not to upset their natural state ufos are very possibly doing the same but with us.

They gonna want to steer us in one way or another. Maybe they are tooling with our brains behind the scenes. People like Stalin or Trump may well be their creations to help steer humanity one way or another

ufoorbhunter, AboveTopSecret 0 Comments [11/27/2017 3:10:54 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134363

I do NOT hate anyone here at Jesus-is-Savior.com; on the contrary, I LOVE people very much. The whole purpose of my ministry is to HELP people. There is a war on for our minds and souls. I do not discriminate in any way. I simply present the truth, particularly the truth of God's Word, and expose those who seek to distort, confuse, and corrupt the truth. The Devil is a beautiful liar. The best way to expose the darkness is to shine the light. John 8:45, “And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.” —Jesus Christ

Galatians 4:16, “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” —The Apostle Paul I do NOT intend to be unkind to anyone. I simply speak the truth. My website preaches to me as much as anyone else. I do NOT hate anybody. What I DO hate is evil and damnable heresies that ruin people’s lives and lead them into Hell. "The fear of the LORD is to HATE evil..." —Proverb 8:13

I do NOT hate the sinner, no not one. As Christians we like people for their good qualities, but we are supposed to love them despite their faults. No one is perfect. In fact, Jesus only died for “the ungodly.” Romans 5:6... “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.” —Romans 5:6

There is no sinner that God doesn't love. Only a hypocritical, self-righteous person would claim that God doesn't love the worst sinner. Christ died for the UNGODLY, which is what you and I are. There is hope for anyone who acknowledges their guilt of sin and looks to Jesus Christ for forgiveness. It's not what you're doing that gets you to Heaven, it's where you're looking. Look to Jesus!

No one hates sin any more than God, yet He sent His only begotten Son in the flesh to die for men's sins... "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." —Romans 5:8

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, HATRED, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” —Galatians 5:19-21

“Hatred” of people is a work of the flesh, it is sin. Hatred is normal for the unsaved or “carnal man” who is living in sin, but the Bible teaches that hatred of people is not acceptable with God. God wants believers to be “spiritually minded.” God's love is an unconditional love, which is not dependent upon how people live or treat us. Few people understand the love of God, that sent Jesus to die for the sins of a rotten world that deserves nothing better than eternal punishment in Hell. If God didn't unconditionally love sinners, including the unsaved, then all humanity would immediately plunge into the depths of Hell. The Bible teaches that humanity is prone to DISOBEDIENCE and WRATH...

“Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the CHILDREN OF WRATH, even as others.” —Ephesians 2:2,3

God describes humanity as the “children of disobedience” and the “children of wrath.” Human nature is prone to disobey God. History evidences that mankind is destined to war and destruction. There is so much hatred in the world today. It's a dog-eat-dog world. We see much hatred in the manure-spreading newsmedia. We see much hatred in today's youth, who despise Christianity and have been taught to feel sympathy for godless homosexuals and abortionists. Very few people these days genuinely love the God of the Bible. "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned EVERY ONE to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." —Isaiah 53:6

As believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are NOT supposed to hate anyone. The Bible commands us to hate sin and evil, but never the people. This is not to say that we ought to sinfully compromise and yoke together with heathens, it just means that we are no better than anyone else and we'd all immediately plunge into Hell if it weren't for God's grace. As mentioned already, this is NOT a hate sight. It is actually a “Love Site.” My love for the Lord prompts me to contend for the faith and exercise my God-given religious freedom. Our rights do not come from the Bill of Rights or the U.S. Constitution, they come from God Almighty. The Constitution only outlines our rights. We are born with certain inalienable rights. One of these rights is the freedom of speech. Evil men may take that right away from us, but God certainly doesn't. We have a right to speak out against the evil and corruption hurting our community.

As a matter of fact, God commands us to refute evil. Ephesians 5:11, "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." I mean no harm to anyone, nor do I seek to offend. The truth may hurt, but it needs to be spoken. The truth makes some people mad. The truth offends most people. Is it any wonder why God calls us “the children of disobedience?”

John 8:40, “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth…” —Jesus Christ

Hopefully you will find this ministry a blessing and a benefit (as so many have). If you are offended, please know that it was not my intention. It is the truth that offends people, not me. I am not trying to upset anyone, though the truth often upsets people. I am just a voice. I am only expressing my heart-felt Christian beliefs. It is my hope that you will “have mercy on me” as you browse over my website, i.e., my ministry. Surely with all of the truths on a website this large, something will rub you the wrong way. I respect your right to disagree. It's ok to agree to disagree. I do not mean to offend anyone; however, I make no apologies for speaking the truth.

I do NOT enjoy upsetting people. There's hardly a day that passes when I'm not surprised by something new I've learned. My website is the accumulation of 7-years of things I have learned, and I've just scratched the surface. You needn't believe anything I say; but rather, verify the facts for yourself. I avoid topics such as UFO's that cannot be verified. There's a lot of deliberate misinformation on the internet, intended to discredit legitimate websites that promote the truth. I want to deal in FACTS, which cannot be explained away.

I praise God for the Constitutional right to express my opinion. This is every American's right. My purpose is NOT to attack people, God forbid. I am simply trying to expose false teachings and false religions, that send men and women to Hellfire by the tens-of-thousands every day. When you love someone, you tell them the truth, even if it makes you unpopular. I recently went to the grocery store. I had a nice conversation with a young man and a young woman who worked for the store. The young man helped to unload my groceries and place them onto the checkout counter. I thanked him. The young woman was working the register. He rolled the cart to the end of the counter and left a case of root beer in the cart. I mentioned the case of root beer to the cashier, but she didn't charge me for it. I knew they were trying to be friendly and I knew they were trying to give me a free case of root beer, but I couldn't allow them to do it.

I again asked her if she had charged me for the case of root beer and then she apologized for missing it. She couldn't look me in the eye when she handed me my credit card back. They had tried to steal from the store to be nice to me. I wanted to make friends with them and didn't like refusing their token of kindness, but it was wrong, it wasn't their food to give away. Although I felt bad, and they felt bad, I did the right thing. I spoke the truth. I would rather have no friends than have thieves as friends. I am not perfect, but I have enough things to answer to God for without adding more to it. At some point in life, we need to get serious about serving God. If we love God, then we'll make an effort to do right.

2nd Thessalonians 2:10, “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” The Bible teaches in 2nd Thessalonians 2:10 that many people will be deceived in the Last Days by the Antichrist because they received not the love of the truth. The truth is important. The Word of God is truth (John 17:17).

“Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath.” —Ephesians 4:26

May I say, it’s ok to be angry. Jesus became angry when the priests had turned God's house into a den of thieves. However, notice the next part of the verse we just read... “and sin not.” Jesus became angry, but he didn't sin. Jesus never sinned (2nd Corinthians 5:21). As an example: I hate abortion! I think abortion is cold-blooded murder. Less than .01% of total abortions are caused by incidents of rape and incest. Yet, these extremes are often used to justify all abortions. Ninety-nine percent of all abortions are simply the evil deeds of irresponsible people. HOWEVER, I don't hate anyone involved with abortion, not one bit. I love them because God has commanded us to love all people. Don’t you think that if God wanted to put an end to this mess, He could? Of course God could! And He will friend, in His own time.

Psalm 47:8, "God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness."

I can't say much about blocking abortion clinics, because I would jump right in front of the door if it were my child about to be murdered. The Bible commands me to love my neighbor as myself (Leviticus 19:18). If that were me about to be aborted, I would want someone to save my life! Americans have hit a new moral low, now murdering their own babies? It is wickedness. Abortionists have the same sick philosophy as Adolf Hitler, i.e., that certain classes of people have a right to life, and others don't. Abortionists don't believe that the unborn fetus has a right to life. They effectively believe that the living are superior to the fetus in the womb. A society that will murder it's unborn is capable of any evil imaginable. Any evil imaginable!

The Scriptures teach, “Be ye angry, and sin not.” There is a fine line between faith and foolishness. We should be angered about abortion, day and night. However, we must be careful to channel that anger through constructive channels which will prevent further abortions, not put us in prison. The best way to fight abortion is by word-of-mouth and public education. We can all SPEAK OUT against abortion in an appropriate manner as civilized people. And we must speak out..."Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" —Psalm 94:16

Anti-abortion signs are working great nationwide. Thousands of babies have been spared the tortuous death of abortion. God bless the efforts of the folks at Repent America and Operation Rescue. We can do many good things to fight the New World Order, feminism, abortion, homosexuality, etc cetera; but we must not become hateful of the sinner. The best way to stop abortion is to hold up the graphic posters of aborted pieces of children for expectant mothers to view, and to educate them about available Christian adoption services. The wicked politicians and judges in America, who have permitted the murder of tens-of-millions of babies, will give account to God, just as wicked King Herod had to give account for murdering thousands of children in an attempt to kill Jesus. Most of all, the American public is to blame, for tolerating such wickedness and remaining silent concerning evil.

Admittedly, there are many religious “nuts” in the world. As true believers, the Bible should create in us a “sound mind” (which is spoken of in the book of Second Timothy)…“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND.” —2nd Timothy 1:7

"Sound" meaning "clear in thought." We are to be level-headed while the world is going insane. The world has become a large insane asylum. If crazy people want to murder their children, we must NOT join the craziness. No "sound" individual would take the life of their own child. I have only used the issue of abortion as an example of how believers are supposed to behave themselves. We are to HATE sin; but not the sinner. Unfortunately, it's getting to the place where Christians won't even be able to speak out anymore against sin if the heathen get their way. We are living in a rotten society. I foresee the day when churches will lose their tax-exemption for speaking out against homosexuality, and be prosecuted for not hiring them. The Bible says the day is coming when the wicked will kill believers, thinking they are doing God a favor...

"They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."
—John 16:2

We read that evil men and seducers will become worse and worse..."But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit." —Jude 1:17-19

"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." —2nd Timothy 2:13

God’s people are to be peace-loving people…“If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.” —Romans 12:18

God’s people are to be peaceful people…“Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” —Hebrews 12:14

Dr. John R. Rice wrote a book entitled, “I Am A Fundamentalist!” In that book, there is a chapter called, “I Am a Fundamentalist, Not a Nut.” There’s plenty of nuts in the world; God’s children should NOT be in that group. Hating evil is a Biblical command (Psalm 97:10). Taking a stand against evildoers is Biblical (Psalm 94:16). I speak the truth in love as Ephesians 4:15 tells us to. Teaching the inspired Word of God is certainly not hatred. Abortion is murder and someone needs to speak out on behalf of those human beings in the womb. Genuine love speaks the truth.

So friend... having said all the above, I want to say once more... This is NOT a hate site, it is a LOVE site. May God bless you friend and always remember, GOD LOVES PEOPLE!!!

David J. Stewart, Jesus-Is-Savior 16 Comments [11/19/2017 8:31:04 AM]
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The Vedic civilization, according to the ancient scriptures, was at a much higher level of development than our modern society. In Sanskrit “veda” means knowledge. So what kind of knowledge are we talking about? From the standpoint of current evolutionary theory, the human race is supposed to be at the top of the society development. However, according to the Vedic literature, in a distant past there have been civilizations in the world, the greatness of which we cannot even imagine. A detailed study of the Vedic texts was held in Bombay in 1975.

It was a scientific “explosion” in physicist circles when the scientists have discovered the vivid description of subatomic level in the Vedas written some five thousand years ago. For example, it is stated in the Bhagavata Purana: “The material manifestation’s ultimate particle, which is indivisible and not formed into a body, is called the atom – Param anuh. It exists always as an invisible identity, even after the dissolution of all forms. The material body is but a combination of such atoms, but it is misunderstood by the common man. ” (Bhagavata Purana 3.11.1) In the same Bhagavata Purana the different time scales are explained, starting with the atomic. The theory of relativity and quantum physics can be substantially supplemented by information from the Sanskrit texts. Aryans were well aware of such concepts as superconductivity, nuclear and plasma weapons not to mention electricity.

The Mahabharata, an ancient historical epic, describes the use of nuclear weapons as follows: “It was as if all the nature’s forces have been suddenly unleashed. Something dazzling like the sun revolved in circles. Burned with a heat of this weapon, the world was staggering, as in a fever. Elephants caught fire from the heat and rushed wildly hither and thither in search of protection from the terrible power. Water in the sea turned hot, the animals were dying, the foes were killed and trees were falling in rows under the fury of the forest fire. Elephants blew their trunks fiercely and fell dead on the ground. Horses and chariots were burned on the spot. Thus, thousands of enemy chariots were destroyed, and then deep silence descended on the sea. Wind began to blow and the earth shined. It was a terrible sight. The corpses of the fallen were mutilated by terrible heat so that they no longer resembled people. Never before have we seen such a terrible weapon and did not hear about it. ” (Drona-parva)

The Vedic texts contain a large number of descriptions of different types of weapons, ranging from primitive stone throwing slings (sarvatobhadra), wall smashing mechanisms (udghatima), to all sorts of high velocity dart throwing devices (yantra-sara), and ending with weapons which damaging force does not have modern analogues. The tenth canto of Bhagavata Purana describes the various battles with weapons of extraordinary power. Those battles were fought by our ancient ancestors inhabited the planet, as well as representatives from other worlds. “… Then demon Bhaumasura immediately released the fire weapon, known as shatagnhi, by which he could kill hundreds of soldiers with one stroke.” (Bhagavata purana 10.59.15) There were weapons similar to raging nature’s forces. “… He (Vasudeva) contaracted brahmastra with another brahmastra, and the air weapon – with the mountain weapon”.

So on one side they used the “vayavya-astra” weapon, causing severe hurricane on the battlefield, and in order to counteract it the opposite side immediately used the so-called ” mountain weapon ” which just like a mountain could block the air flow and eliminate it completely. The weapon “shiva-jvara” is described as heat, which is twelve times more powerful than heat of the sun, and the weapon “narayana-jvara” represents the unbearable cold. “By that time, almost all the warriors of Shalva were killed, but when he saw that Vasudeva has arrived on the battlefield, he set in motion a terrible weapon of extraordinary power, which flew with a roar in the sky like a giant meteor. It shone with a dazzling, illuminating the sky… “ It is obvious that our ancestors were much more highly developed than we are today. Comparing to them we look like babies, at least in technical terms. “ It was not an easy task to enter into the city of Prajyotisha-pura, because it was very well fortified. First of all, there were four formidable forts guarding the four directions of the city, and it was well-protected on all sides by formidable military strength. The next boundary was a water canal all around the city, and in addition the whole city was surrounded with electric wires. The next fortification was of anila, a gaseous substance. After this, there was a network of barbed wiring constructed by a demon of the name Mura.” (Bhagavata Purana, 10 canto)

It appeared that the city was well-protected even in terms of today’s scientific advancement. In Vedic literature there are many references to flying saucers. In general, they are called the vimana. Vimanas in the Vedas are divided into two categories: 1) the mechanical machines, similar to airplanes and flying with wings like a bird; 2) and very complex machines that can not be precisely classified, which had unlimited possibilities. Machines of the first category are described mainly in medieval writings in Sanskrit, along with other various automatic devices and military machines. For example, Bhoja describes an aircraft made of lightwood, which looked like a bird with two wings. The driving force of the apparatus was generated in the fire chamber with mercury, installed on it, as well as flapping wings of the machine.

The devices of the second category are described in ancient books, such as the Rig Veda, the Mahabharata, Ramayana and Puranas, and their description in many ways are similar to modern descriptions of UFOs. The main work in Sanskrit, which includes the classification of ships of all kinds, is called Vimanika-shastra. This work also reveals all sorts of technologies that are known today, such as telephone and television, though, working on an entirely different, unknown to today’s science principles.

Here’s how the vimanas are described in the Ramayana: “The ship of Rakshasa king (type of demonic creatures) Ravana was amazing. Its walls were glittering, incrusted with diamonds, and the windows were skillfully decorated with gold. The ship could fly in any trajectory, regardless of wind direction, subject only to request of a pilot. He could stand still in the sky at any height, resembling a great shining mountain. The ship had a symmetrical design; the towers of the great artistic work were completed with domes, like mountain peaks. The viman could change its appearance through a variety of devices. After landing, it could camouflage itself as a mountain, lit up by the risen moon. Inside this beautiful spaceship resembled a palace with halls, rooms, swimming pools, etc.”

When we think of our ancestors, according to modern tradition, the image suggests a primitive ape-man with a hefty cudgel in his hands. However, the Vedic descriptions paint a different picture: “I have heard that Visvavasu, the great Gandharva (type of celestial singers), his mind stupefied with infatuation, fell from his airplane after seeing your daughter playing with a ball on the roof of the palace – harmya-prishthe, for she was indeed beautiful with her tinkling ankle bells and her eyes moving to and fro.” (Bhagavata Purana 3.22.17)

It is understood that not only at the present moment but in those days also there were skyscrapers. Herein we find the word harmya-prishthe. The literal translation of the word “harmya” is “a very high palace.” Svad vimanat means “from his own airplane.” It is suggested that private airplanes existed several thousand years ago. There are even descriptions of the whole flying cities, spreading for several square miles. For example, Hastinapura – a moving city, was well armed and protected against external enemies… Mathematics, mechanics and related engineering discipline could be raised to a new level thanks to the Vedic scriptures. In Sanskrit, a machine is called “yantra” which is explained in the Vedic literature as “a device that controls and directs the movement of objects in accordance with their characteristics.”

There are many types of yantras. A simple example might be a taila-yantra – the wheel, pushed by a bull in circles for oil pressing from seeds. Technical devices and machines of the ancient Aryans still amaze us with the level of their engineering skill. There are many plausible descriptions of robots, which were kept at the royal palaces, such as singing and dancing birds, resembling the living ones, clocks with moving figures, and various astronomical models, showing the motion of the planets. There were robots designed in the form of male and female figures that performed various functions. They were made mostly of wood, but perfectly covered with humanlike skin. Their motions were provided by the system of bolts, iron rods, springs and grooves. These figures played musical instruments, served drinks to guests and did other similar services. Yantrapurusha or man-machine could behave exactly like a real human. It is described in Bhagaya-vastu how an artist visited home of the yantracharya, or a teacher of mechanical engineering. There he was met by a robot-girl who washed his feet and had a resemblance of a real person until he realized that she was unable to speak. However, it is known that there were even speaking and absolutely fantastic sounding robots.

Are we able now, with all our modern science and computer technology, to repeat a similar level of inventive skill? Can we believe that the technical progress, as it is described in the Vedas, has really existed on Earth? Are Sanskrit texts the only proof of greatness of that ancient civilization? In order to answer these questions, it would be sufficient to analyze briefly the most famous archaeological monuments of antiquity. For example, in Delhi there is a metal column, known worldwide as “a pillar of Indra.” For several millennia, it has resisted the influence of precipitation, with no trace of rust. The column is made of atomic iron, without admixture of carbon and sulfur at the molecular level. In our time, it is possible to reproduce such a perfectly pure iron only with the sputter coating technique in the outer space and only in small quantities. The height of “Indra’s pillar” corresponds to the three-storey house, in fact, the column goes under the earth for a few tens of meters. How did they do it, what mechanisms were used to produce this miracle?

In the Hari Bhakti Vilas, written by Sanatana Goswami, it is said: “As bell metal (bronze) is turned into gold when mixed with mercury in an alchemical process, so in that very way, by the process of proper initiation by a bona fide spiritual master – diksa vidhanena, a person becomes a brahmana.” (Hari Bhakti Vilasa 2.12) The Vedas can give us tremendous knowledge, both material and spiritual. The greatest culture of people, who could turn a simple bronze into gold, is definitely able to revive our morally degraded society and add great deal of value to our lives.

Unknown author, MCKnowledge 7 Comments [11/13/2017 12:43:22 PM]
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