It is so sad when I quote the Bible, but I can't get a professed Christian to say that they agree with my quote from the Bible. The Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination against God, so let's get a few things straight. If you think that...
You can improve on the Holy Spirit's word choice
The Scriptures which have been breathed out by God are too harsh
We should find less offensive ways to talk about sin (instead of quoting the Bible)
...we have a problem. A big problem.
I could keep going, but you get the point. In an age of great deception, it is completely unacceptable for a Christian to apologize for the Bible. It is unacceptable to refuse to affirm what the Bible explicitly says.
Please, care enough to speak the truth. Care enough to speak the perfect words of God, recorded in Scripture. The Bible is the perfect, inspired, inerrant Word of God, and believing that should affect how we talk.
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The Bible is the perfect, inspired, inerrant Word of God, and believing that should affect how we talk.
So when God was having people write down these inerrant Words, was he playing a practical joke on us when he said bugs have four legs? Or maybe he just couldn't count to six.
Unfortunately for you, the "perfect" word of God is a pile of easily disproven, utterly nonsensical, and plain old daft dog poop.
You can improve on the Holy Spirit's word choice
Those people in Mycena and numerous translators and scribes/writers/whatever thought they could. How sure you really are that the Bible you're using the same one that was "inspired by Holy Spirit/God"?
In an age of great deception, it is completely unacceptable for a Christian to apologize for the Bible.
then it must be disposed of, because it contains so many cruel things and absurdities.
Until Tim Dukeman has stoned someone for their crimes, i refuse to believe that he is serious. Come on Tim, money where your mouth is time.
Oh, what's that Tim? You're only a single policy spirit warrior? Chunter on little fella, chunter on.
Care for some lobter?
"O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."
- Psalm 137:8-9 (KJV)
Remember Tim, it is unacceptable to refuse to affirm what the Bible explicitly says
Be not ashamed to repeat the words of desert nutters lest their straggly and verminous beards do rise up against thee. For instance:-
Ezekiel (The detestation of pillows)
13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
Lamentations (The vagaries of inept landscape gardeners)
3:9 He hath inclosed my ways with hewn stone, he hath made my paths crooked.
Philemon (Refreshing thy kin's bowels, Holy affirmation of homosexuality?)
20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh my bowels in the Lord.
And there are plenty more good lifestyle examples where they came from.
"You can improve on the Holy Spirit's word choice."
Yes. Poor word choice, translation differences and interpretations make it a very imprecise document. There is a scene where Elisha curses a bunch of "little children" calling him a "bald head" to bear-mauling death. That is the supposedly 'authentic' King James translation, but it gets re-translated or interpreted away as being a bunch of rioting young men instead.
"The Scriptures which have been breathed out by God are too harsh."
See above, where little children/teenagers/college age kids exit the scene pursued by bears. For calling some stranger bald. Remember, God loves you and plans out your whole life, so he meant for them to do that and get eaten by bears.
"We should find less offensive ways to talk about sin (instead of quoting the Bible)"
Stop quoting the parts you selected for the occasion. Just read it, please. Read how many things are a sin. Things you probably don't care about at all. And if you can't empathise with other people and realise why it's offensive to speak to them the way you do, then don't talk about sin with them. You're not being helpful.
The Bible says that cutting your hair and beard is an abomination against God, stupid.
Jesus ordered you to sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor. Have you done that yet? Why not?
The problem is yours, that you think an ancient compilation of myths is valid in a secular society.
The same book of the bible which says that homosexuality is an abomination also says that eating shellfish is an abomination. Yet I never see people like you protesting outside seafood restaurants.
Do you not affirm what the bible explicitly says? Are you going to swear off shrimp and lobster and condemn anyone who doesn't as evil sinners? If not you're a giant hypocrite. Leviticus also says to not eat pigs or meat and dairy products together, yet no Christian I know of has moral objections to anyone eating a bacon cheeseburger.
"The Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination against God."
Yes it does. It also heartily approves of slavery. Which is a wonderful reason to not apply anything this book says to modern life, at least without sufficient critical thinking.
You seem to have skipped that step.
The lord says that eating lobster, owls, four-legged "insects" and pigs is an abomination. Calls improper animal sacrifices and worshiping him wrong, including the use of incense, to be abominations. Also finds it abominable for women to wear pants. Then some actual serious shit like murder, theft, and adultery are abominations. And Jesus says that love of money is an abomination. Yet the lord never once says he hates gay people.
So what is REALLY an abomination according to god? Seems he throws that word around an awful lot... If you think it's silly to take everything the lord calls an abomination at face value then why believe that something so benign as homosexuality is abominable? Remember: You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
The Bible says a lot of things are an abomination - eating shrimp, for example. It also says there are worse things than a man having sex with another man - working on the Sabbath, for example. It also condemns only the gay sex act, not homosexuals themselves; so unless you're peeking into bedrooms, you have no basis for having a "big problem" with gays. Jesus also said to love your neighbor and not do to another what you wouldn't want done to you - and he regarded those things, which you conveniently ignore, as far more important. And Paul (Romans) said you do things just as bad and have no right to judge.
Stop cherry-picking scripture to "prove" God agrees with your hate-filled, judgmental homophobia.
Cue quotes from the Bible about slavery, slaughtering the Amalekites, etc. Don't have the quotes handy, but that's what this obviously brings up.
It is so sad when I quote the Bible, but I can't get a professed Christian to say that they agree with my quote from the Bible....
Maybe they realize that hyping the "Tyrannical Blowhard OT God Of Fire & Brimstone" isn't working...or they're normal Christians who actually want to stick with Jesus & what counts, like Love & Charity and stuff.
1. Ignoring that the word "homosexual" has no equivilent in aincient Hebrew;
2. Ignoring that the passage refered to bans one of three specific sex acts (although it is not clear which one);
3. Ignoring the fact that This is the "Jewish Holiness code" that Christians (save some fringe groups) do not pracice;
4. Ignoring the historical facts concerning Hebrew society in that the act would have been banned due to gender status rather than sexuality;
This means that, since Homosexuality is an identity factor, rather than n action, some people are sinners because of what they are, rather than what they do (and not even in the vein of Catholic "original sin"), which goes against Christian techings on sin!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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