Because a woman can never possess the power that is unique to men and still maintain her femininity, she desires to be made to submit to that power. When he ravishes her, he allows her to submit sexually, and she can temporarily be filled with the power she desires but can never have. This is why the marital act is emotionally satisfying; he desires to conquer and she desires to be conquered and experience his uniquely masculine power.
Although I doubt that they could put it into words, feminists must understand this on some level. It is not likely coincidence that feminists have gone after masculine power, most especially in the sexual realm, and sought to neuter it. What better way to destroy the desire between a man and his wife, and thereby destroy that which makes a marriage a marriage than by removing the power from men and giving it to women? Why it’s even more effective if we can get men to voluntarily give up their power themselves to women! Of course, this causes women to find their husbands sexually repulsive.
Marriage is the symbolic picture God gave us of Christ and His bride, the Church. Given that the desire to be ravished by her man’s power helps bond a woman to her husband, it is clearly a good thing and of God. Neutering this power is simply Satan’s way of using feminism as a pawn to weaken the bonds of love and desire between men and their wives in an attempt to destroy Christ’s Bride by destroying the beautiful symbol of Christ’s love that is earthly marriage.
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Not all women are sub. There are plenty of dudes who 'desire to be conquered and experience her uniquely feminine power'. And there's also plenty of people who aren't interested in any sort of sexual power shenanigans. Also, there's more to life, identity, and power than sex -- as you're describing a power exchange in 'the marital act'. Preeetty much sounds like a BDSM-type sex thing with no relation to EQUAL PAY AND BASIC RESPECT YOU ABSOLUTE DIPSHIT.
*cough*
The first sentence is all that need be read so find that Mary should seek help. Like, from the police.
Now, I enjoy some kinky bondage as much as the next guy, and I'd be delighted to have a lady who enjoys indulging in it as well, but I recognize that there is a difference between submission fantasy and Stockholm Syndrome. Mary doesn't.
Really, men want to conquer and women want to be conquered ?
Maybe for you and your fucked up morals, but I'm certain that most modern couples want... you know... a "balanced" relationship
That's not how it works chez nous. BTW, nuns are often referred to as Brides of Christ; are you suggesting they all want to be ravished? I think, Mary, you may be letting on a little more than you might want.
To the contrary, I want power over a man. There's nothing sexier than a man bound up and in pain. On the other hand, both men and women should have equal rights and opportunities to do whatever non-harmful activity they want, including (men) submit to me, and if you like submitting to men, I personally find that extremely unattractive but some people obviously like it, and it doesn't harm society. This kind of spiel does, however.
Sunshine your obviously a guy attempting a disguise. Let me offer you one bit of advise, you'll find it easier to have relationships with half the species (romantic or otherwise) if you start treating them as fellow human beings.
Who knows, lose the attitude and they may treat you as human.
"Because a woman can never possess the power that is unique to men"
Which power? The power to be a twerp? You've just shown you have that...
"and still maintain her femininity,"
Bet you think you're feminine...
"she desires to be made to submit to that power."
All women desire to be controlled, right?
"When he ravishes her, he allows her to submit sexually, and she can temporarily be filled with the power she desires but can never have."
Oh dear...
"This is why RAPE is emotionally satisfying; he desires to conquer and she desires to be conquered and experience his uniquely masculine power."
Fixed it for you... now piss off and stop trying to apologise for rapists.
To the contrary, I want power over a man. There's nothing sexier than a man bound up and in pain. On the other hand, both men and women should have equal rights and opportunities to do whatever non-harmful activity they want, including (men) submit to me, and if you like submitting to men, I personally find that extremely unattractive but some people obviously like it, and it doesn't harm society. This kind of spiel does, however.
Mary, if you're sub that's ok. The thing you don't seem to understand is that not all women are sub. It's fine to be a sub, not fine to force others to be sub - cause that's kinda what raping somebody is.
@all those people who think what she's talking about is rape:
So feminist women want their husbands to be submissive, yet they find this sexually repulsive? How does that even make sense?
Also, extrapolating your D/s relationship to all people is absurd and has nothing to do with religion.
When I think of "power" that men have that women might not possess, I think that's an argument for feminism, not against it. (Note that there's no power that women can't possess; it's just a question of whether or not, in the current socio-political climate, they actually do possess it.)
On my FetLife profile, I call myself "switch" because, well, sometimes I like to be dominant and sometimes I like to be submissive. They both can be equally fun and exciting. And -- if I may display my straight male tendencies here -- there's nothing sexier or more feminine in my opinion than a woman who knows what she likes and wants, and is unafraid to ask for it. That sounds to me like empowerment, at least in the bedroom.
@ Taiga
Is that a big mystery? Ok, maybe sexual revulsion is a big word, how about zero sexual attraction.
Lets say that being sexually turned on by something one thinks is wrong may be quite unnerving. If, as a woman feminist, one, and rightly so, attempts to politicise the world as much as possible, but sexual submission is ones big (secret) turn on. But one also reads sexual submission as just a mirror of masculine domination in general: as a stupid acting-out of the founding gesture of masculine dominance in our culture - as a 'ritual' confirming that men do and should dominate women in general (basically what sunshinemary is saying, only she's for it), then I have no trouble seeing how one might develop an uneasy relationship with ones man. First: No, we'll have none of that masculine domination (in or outside bed) in this relationship! And then, how can my man be so dull?
It is a bit sad, though.
You are of course right about the extrapolation and religion bit.
What power is unique to men? They can easily stand and pee, and they get testicular and prostate cancer. Those are the only unique male things I can come up with now.
YOU might desire to be conquered, stupid. Most people want to SHARE an intimate experience.
Marriage existed long before Jesus was allegedly born, stupid.
Where's the beauty in ravishing and conquering?
@ UHM
I don't think people have trouble accepting that a woman might want to be a sub, but in cases like this (and perhaps, more clearly, with "Christian Domestic Discipline" quotes) it's hard to tell if a woman following this line of thinking is consensually subbing or only doing it because she thinks 1) she has to because of Jesus, or 2) she has to because of fucked up gender ideals. And if someone is a sub for not-completely-consensual reasons when I don't think it's out of line to call it rape instead of just rough sex.
Look, BDSM and sadomasochism is fine. Some chicks love being submissive, that is true. Some men love being dominant. That is also true. However, some like it the other way around, and additionally, none of it has to do with feminism, marriage or any of your other stupidity. You're a sub who can't handle the fact you have "sinful" urges and therefor project it onto everyone in the name of Christ. If you hadn't been indoctrinated by the church, you'd be a normal submissive BDSM lover, and that's all. I feel bad for you.
Sunshine sounds like a man. A man who can't understand why no woman will marry him, why no woman will submit to the obvious ravishing power of his Christian manliness, why no woman will even give him her phone number.
If you read this woman's blog, it's clear that her husband holds all of the power in their relationship.
She's convinced herself that this is a good thing and that all women should enjoy similar relationships. That's where she's wrong.
It's fine for two consenting adults to enter a d/s relationship. It's not fine to say that all women want this, or to attribute one's particular sexual kink to Christianity.
This is the same blogger who thinks that all women are inherently evil and that men should treat them as property in order to keep them under control.
Okay, Mary, when you use the word "ravish," do you mean it in the original sense, i.e. "to rape", or do you just mean when you willingly let your husband fuck you especially hard? I think that's causing some confusion here. It's one of those words where those lines can get kind of blurred, but it really is important to know the difference in real life.
Edit: Okay, I looked at her article, and at the Sundance Channel article that she references, and holy shit, that's disturbing. I had heard that there were women who fantasized about rape, but it's just so wrong to read that some of them even fantasize about the kind you get in real life (not romantic fantasy novel "ravishment"). What the fuck is wrong with these women? When I hear/see anything on TV about rape, I feel like crying. Nobody really wants to be raped. Some perverted (and possibly slightly stupid) chicks may think they do, but they don't. I'd like to see a real-life rape victim verbally chew out (and maybe even punch?) one of these twisted bitches. Seriously. I would.
@ #1560734:
Do you really want everything that you've fantasized about to happen in reality? If you are like most people, the answer to that question is probably "no." I mean, you just fantasized about rape victims punching women who have rape fantasies in the face (never mind that some of the women who have rape fantasies are rape victims themselves). I presume that you don't want that to actually happen. So why do you presume that women want everything that they've fantasized about to actually happen?
Most (if not all) of the women who have rape fantasies know that there is a difference between fantasy and reality. They don't think that they would actually enjoy being raped. They don't want to be raped any more than anyone else does.
@Angua: Well, fine, that's probably true, but I still think women who fantasize about being raped have some serious issues and should probably seek counseling. There is a dangerous myth that it's "every woman's fantasy" to be raped, when I'm pretty sure most women don't have those fantasies, and the ones who do shouldn't really talk about it so freely, because that almost makes them enablers.
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