“I had a teacher who was talking about abstinence, [Elizabeth Smart, a rape victim] said, ‘Imagine you’re a stick of gum and when you engage in sex, that’s like getting chewed, and if you do that lots of times, you’re going to become an old piece of gum, and who’s going to want you after that?”
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@PG2013, is virginity supposed to have any value? Why ascribe value to something as relatively unimportant as virginity in the first place? Virgin or not, an unwelcome sexual advance is still unwelcome.
imagine something less comparable to having an actual sex life. if you can, that is; i'm having trouble.
and at the risk of feeding the troll --- why SHOULD virginity be worth a damn? what, exactly, can you use it for? in what other context is ignorance and inexperience ever valuable?
"Imagine you're a rookie football player and when you engage in sex, that's like participating in a training session, and if you do that lots of times, you're going to become a really good player, and who's going to want you after that?"
Virginity has no value* in and of itself any longer, as we now have DNA tests. In olden times, men married virgins to be (somewhat) sure that they were fathers to her children.
* Never had sex has about the same "value" as never heard music, never eaten sushi, or never pierced your ears.
“I had a teacher who was talking about abstinence, [Elizabeth Smart, a rape victim] said, Imagine you’re a stick of gum and when you go swimming, that’s like getting chewed, and if you do that lots of times, you’re going to become an old piece of gum, and who’s going to want you after that?”
No, it doesn't make any more sense that way either.
“I had a teacher who was talking about abstinence, [Elizabeth Smart, a rape victim] said, Imagine you’re a stick of gum and when you participate in a church service, that’s like getting chewed, and if you do that lots of times, you’re going to become an old piece of gum, and who’s going to want you after that?”
Because once women get chewed up and spit out, they're worthless.
Actually, though, I've found that women who have some sexual history and aren't ashamed to enjoy sex make better lovers than those sexually repressed women who don't know what they're doing.
@Swede :
Virginity has no value* in and of itself any longer, as we now have DNA tests. In olden times, men married virgins to be (somewhat) sure that they were fathers to her children.
I happen to believe that STD's played a big factor in the value of virginity, since if you were getting a virgin you knew she was clean. This is also why I think they thought that God punished anyone for having sex out of wedlock, since all sickness was considered God's punishment. However, with the advance of modern medicine we know what causes it, and with the use of condoms the threat is greatly reduced.
The context was her explanation for why she did not try to escape her captors. She had been taught that once she was raped and deflowered, she was repulsive garbage in the eyes of decent people, and her family would never want to see her again.
Premarital chastity does not protect against venereal disease unless it is practiced by both partners, which traditionally was rarely the case.
Imagine you're a stick of gum and you've been sitting unchewed in the pack for years and years--you're going to become a tough, dried up, stale, flavorless old stick of gum. Who's going to want you after that?
See, I was told that sex was like going shoe shopping. Sometimes the first isn't always the best, but you will find a pair that fits you...it might be a while, though.
Not sure which is the worse analogy, to be honest.
@Doubting Thomas
No, a woman had to be a virgin because Gaaaaahd said so. Diseases and being sure you were the father of the child would have been far too logical a concept for the good Gaaaaaaaaaaaahdfearing people of the time.
Well, to provide my perspective (kind of TMI, sorry), my virginity is important to me personally because of my own code of morals and ethics and such. I'm aware that not wanting to have sex until I'm married makes me an unappealing partner to a majority of men... which means I might never get married, which means I might never have sex, and I'm 100% okay with that.
(And I should note that I would never, ever view a rape or assault as some kind of failure for a person who wants to remain celibate. That's just sick and completely wrongheaded. The best analogy I've heard is that consensual sex is to rape as cooking is to beating somebody with a frying pan.)
Everybody has the right to feel about their *own* virginity/sexuality as they wish, assuming that the beliefs are truly their own and not the product of peer pressure or brainwashing. "Prude-shaming" people is no nicer than slut-shaming them. However, the belief that somebody's *entire* personal worth lays in whether or not they've had sex (even if the sex was involuntary!) is just disturbing. We interact with so many people on a daily basis, and who can tell whether or not they've had sex? Sex is a very small part of life, no part at all for some people, and the idea that people have no identity outside their penises or vaginas and what they've done with them? Creepy. As. Hell.
Elizabeth Smart is a little more than just a rape victim. She was kidnapped and held by Brian David Mitchell who held her for nine months before police released her. This interview came in the wake of the escape of Amanda Berry and her fellow captives.
Elizabeth Smart is all the more remarkable because she was brought up in Salt Lake City in a traditional, middle-class Mormon family and she was taught traditional Mormon sex education, i.e. total abstinence. Her teachers compounded the feelings of worthlessness she had as a rape victim. Her coming to realize what she had been taught was a load of bullshit and her courage in surviving her captivity to tell the people of Mormonland what this kind of education does to women, shows that she is one brave and smart lady.
And now for context:
"On May 1, 2013 speech at a human trafficking conference at Johns Hopkins University Smart discussed how abstinence-based sex education affected her while she was in captivity. "I thought, Oh, my gosh, I’m that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.’ And that’s how easy it is to feel like you no longer have worth, you no longer have value,” Smart said. “Why would it even be worth screaming out? Why would it even make a difference if you are rescued? Your life still has no value.” Smart went on to ask that listeners educate children on having self worth, and how to avoid becoming a victim."Wikipedia
Now if you think from that context, that that's something good giving up to be raped because you believe you're not worth anything anymore I would like to personally kick you and spit on you. Because you're no better than fundie Islamists who believe a rape victim brought shame to her family.
People are STILL paying attention to PG around here?
He's not worth the effort. He obviously has no interest in actual give-and-take discussion and is only here to disrupt and to insult other posters.
I defended PG before but now I'm with Anon-e-moose on this one... it's about time Distind dropped the ban-hammer and sent PG on his merry way.
What about divorced people or people whose partner has died. They had lots of sex. Does nobody want them now? The whole thing is ridiculous especially considering it seems to be wholly about female rather than male virginity.
You never hear of women worrying if their boyfriends are virgins but it would appear a certain kind of weird male seems extremely concerned about the sexual history of their girlfriends.
I know there's the euphemism 'Chewing Carpet', but even that is reaching farther than The Fantastic Four's Reed Richards, a.k.a. 'Mister Fantastic', could possibly do so, even if he'd merged with bubble gum!
And even old "FF" comics can be given to others, so they can read them, so they still have worth - especially to charity shops, so's the money they make on such goes to do even greater things.
Praise be His Excelsior!ness Stan Lee and the Great God Jack Kirby. They would approve of this 'recycling' of their works.
...as for the so-called 'teacher', I fear she's become a dried-up and dessiccated old harpy who has taken the pure 'waifu' thing on 4chan's /a/ too literally, methinks. Who's going to want her after her saying what she did?
I, for one, like eating gum stuck on the bottom of chairs at the bus depot. Mmmm....sticky and delicious and...wait, are we still talking about gum?
...Sad what an absolute abstinence only education can do to someone...
I mean, virginity is all fine and good. In fact, I don't think one should have sex "just to get better at it", but that is a personal opinion. But shouldn't be a big deal. There's no point.
Also, regarding the poster "kill all muslims'...
Are they an atheist fundie?
"kill all muslims all muslims are terrorists. i like how u fake athiests want to exterminate chirsitans, as do i , but not muslims who are the real threat. "
Fake atheists because we don't want to kill all the muslims? We've already got a No True Scotsman... and the assumption that we want to "exterminate christians, as do i"... really? Damn.
Sad thing is, they'd probably get more attention if they didn't repeat themselves and post strings of random pictures.
Not this shit again.
OP:
Does your chewing gum lose its flavor
Gives that ditty a whole new meaning now, doesn't it?
A less imaginative version of the old "why buy the cow when you're getting the milk for free?" Stock answer "why buy a car without a test drive?"
I see a new version of porn spammer "big chicken dinner" has returned.
Methinks time to add 'Captcha' to the posting process, apart from just a 'Check here', which can clearly be circumvented by a script, eh Distind?
Also a 'Report' feature would be handy, so as to get in touch with you immediately, so as what's happened here can be dealt with asafp.
...oh, sorry, I mean, not . Seeing as - re, P-G - we wouldn't want to deny poor 'kill all muslims' here his freedom to 'comment' as & how he wants to, eh Canuovea?! [/hyper-sarcasm]
You want BS shitposed all over FSTDT, fine. How many other commenters here don't ? Three letters: T.O.S.
Your call, Canuovea.
"Who's going to want you after that?"
People who value women as actual people rather than sex objects, perhaps?
@Anon-e-moose
There is a difference between honest disagreements between differing points of views which might inadvertedly cause disruptions and intentionally malicious attempts to be disruptive. I think what Canuovea and myself were saying earlier is that the former is not necessarily the latter and should not be treated as such.
"Kill all muslims" is obviously the latter. No good comes about from not banning people who are intentionally disruptive. Drop him like the rancid wet sack of moldy potatoes that he is.
In PG's case, however, it originally seemed possible that he was simply a frustrated specimen of the former and some of us initially wanted to give him a bit of leeway. I personally take issue with the idea of silencing people simply because they hold "unorthodox opinions" of sorts. A difference of opinion is not necessarily malicious in nature. However, PG's repeated behavior has proven him to be a disruptor rather than someone truly interested in dialog. I'm with you now; he should go as well.
Yes, the trolls are frustrating. But there is no point in taking it out on Canuovea, whom, from what I can tell, has done you no harm. I did not get the sense that he favored a "free-for-all" so much as he didn't want to see someone banned simply for expressing beliefs which run contrary to those of most around here. This place would be no different than the people it makes fun of if it insisted that everyone toe a particular line. That is in part what we are mocking, after all.
Honestly, I think trolls should be allowed to post as long as they're not disrupting my ability to read. kill all Muslims is filling up the whole thing with pictures of scantily clad women from Sports Illustrated. PG is generally having discussions about legitimate things and he isn't spamming, regardless of the fact that he now sounds like either a schizotype or someone not fluent in English and has a high chance of not being serious.
@Fräulein
I guess for me it's a shades of grey issue with PG. He's not a spammer, he talks about actual issues, and he can (somewhat) be engaged. On the other hand, he fails what I like to think of as the Internet Civility Test --
PG snidely insults everyone here, barely hiding his contempt for the people with whom he interacts. He never responds to points made against the comments he makes, choosing either to ignore counter arguments or to change the subject. Everything he says is intended to garner a negative reaction. Were this a dinner party at my house, he'd be well on his way out the door.
I'm all for honest disagreement. I stood up for PG and hinted to him numerous times that he should keep it clean and respectful. He's refused. I applaud your tolerance, Fräulein, and certainly won't say you're wrong in your opinion but as far as I'm concerned PG has rather worn out his welcome.
So you think men should discard their wives every few years and get a new, virgin, teenaged wife? Because women aren't humans, their merchandise, right?
"Imagine you’re a stick of gum and when you have a baby, that’s like getting chewed, and if you do that a couple of times, you’re going to become an old piece of gum, and who’s going to want you after that?"
Fixed that for ya.
Now, do you really think that men should discard their wives after child birth? I know a lot of men who can afford it, do, but does that make it right?
Spambot gone? Sweet. It'd be nice if we had some way of stopping that shit. I can take dipshits posting mindless crap as a singular statement just not endless spam, especially when it eats up my data use. You should have seen my phone bill the last time I kept tabs on a thread he assaulted. I should get to sue the fucker.
Captain Bacardi,
I may owe Hasan 60 dollars US. So perhaps let this play out a little longer. I also have to find him a reference in the Canon Law.
And no-one has the time to keep track of every thread. I posted a simple method for removing me completely and permanently and not requiring any censorship. In the Westminster Model, one person moves a motion, a second person, 'seconds' the motion and then it is carried; where there is no opposition. [like black balling a member to any club]
If the process occurs on a single page on which I've posted I'll be gone for "good". I only ever came here because my comments in another place were lifted here out of context and I wished to see what, "you", this corporation [or unincorporated association of individuals] were on about.
Captain, I have, like most people here employed, apparent contempt as a rhetorical device. It is always towards "ideas" in which I direct same contempt.
And as said before, mobs form easily, lynching happens suddenly. And I think some here are of that mold to be easily caught in the very next wave of public killings. Cheering at the guillotine has left a permanent stain on French history.
@ Taiga
There are plenty of guys out there who find virginity both appealing and important.
The mentality of most people here is basically, "Christianity is false, therefore I can be a moral degenerate." Whatever.
Our ancestors weren't just superstitious old prudes. When they made this religion shit up they knew that living a clean, sober, self-disciplined and restrained life has a value unto itself. They made up the God and Hell stuff not because they were mean or crazy, but because they wanted us to do the right thing and stay on the right life path. Recognizing that reality is reality, that people don't part seas or rise from the dead, does NOT mean that you have to throw the baby out with the bathwater and embrace a degenerate, liberal way of living your life.
Thank you Captain Bacardi, that is pretty much it. Though I'll still have to say I agree with Fräulein on the matter of PG. I
Actually, I remember that there was that one Anonymous Poster who seemed to think Captain Bacardi, myself, and Tiberius were all sock puppets of the same person. Accusations get thrown about quite a bit, it seems, but that whole mess was an entirely different issue than spamming the comments with pictures...
And I see someone is back to imitating PG again. Didn't we go over this already?
Anyway, glad to see Spammer dealt with. Edit: I say that, and all of a sudden, between the time it took me to write that up and post it... KAM was back with the photos.
Ever try chewing the stick of gum from a decades-old pack of baseball cards? I'd rather have the one that 10 other people just chewed ;)
But seriously, what a terrible fucking analogy.
@Distind
"Feel free to go toss yourself off like I suggested last time."
He can go to the top of The Shard in London (now the tallest building in the UK); or the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, Willis(/Sears) Tower in Chicago, Taipei 101 in Taipei, CN Tower in Toronto, or better still, the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, and toss himself off. [/Innuendo] >:D
"Relieves stress, though at your levels it may trigger carpal tunnel."
I'm reminded of the old school playground question/prank:
http://www.lawoftheplayground.com/browse.php?type=subject&id=1684
'Wanker's Cramp. Do you get it?! ' X3
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