"Roads and bridges […] - you didn't build that!"
I need a new irony meter now.
10/24/2012 3:56:24 AM
Romney: There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like. I mean, when you ask those people…we do all these polls—I find it amazing—we poll all these people, see where you stand on the polls, but 45 percent of the people will go with a Republican, and 48 or 4...[recording stops]
Yep. That's pretty damned clear, right there. He called 47% of Americans moochers. Didn't have to spin it at all.
10/24/2012 4:19:16 AM
Firefly fans? Kick him into the engine intake, Mal.
10/24/2012 4:44:06 AM
The video's out there if you want to see it in all its glory.
I promise you it doesn't sound any better in context.
He all but called nearly half of the American people parasites. He seemed very comfortable with it and animated in a way he very rarely is in mixed company--those were HIS people he was talking to, the rich, powerful and well-to-do. It seemed to be something he felt very strongly about, that he thought was very important. Unlike you, I'm willing to take him at his word that he said what he meant and meant what he said, especially since he's said a lot of things before and since that strongly suggest that he'd like to see what's left of our social safety nets done away with.
10/24/2012 4:56:19 AM
Filin De Blanc
I'm curious as to what the interpretation of Romney's 47% comment that doesn't have him calling half the country, including the elderly, the military and the desperately ill parasites is.
10/24/2012 5:16:05 AM
Rob aka Mediancat
Firefly fan? Based on your attitude, you probably rooted against Mal.
10/24/2012 5:19:46 AM
This is from a browncoat site? Let me guess, AURaptor rooted for the alliance.
Couriously, all the Democrats had to do to “spin” Romney’s 47%-speech was to show it unedited, while the Republicans had to seriously quote-mine to get the “you didn’t build that” sound bite…
10/24/2012 5:28:05 AM
The problem with Romney's comment is that 3/4 of that 47% are senior citizens on social security who have paid in all their lives and are now receiving the benefits, or if you must call them "entitlements." I believe they are entitled to the money they were promised when they were paying in all those years.
The other problem with Romney's comment is that it smacks of "dog whistle" racism. Insinuating that the same people who are on government assistance are the same people who will vote for Obama no matter what insinuates that they're the black moochers on welfare and hints at Romney's total lack of support among black voters in this country. I'm sure many people will disagree that it's racist, but it certainly sounds like that "wink wink" racism which is so common these days.
10/24/2012 5:40:49 AM
Romney did lie. This entire issue goes back to the Teabaggers's intentional misrepresentation, distortion, spin on such things as Mitt's 47% comment, and also Obama's " you didn't build that " remark.
10/24/2012 5:51:03 AM
How DARE you people use exact quotes from Romney to make him look bad!
10/24/2012 6:14:32 AM
Mitt Romney gave an almost exact duplicate of "You didn't build that" Speech that Obama gave some time ago. Daily Show had them play side by side. Despite the fact that the speeches are essentially true. You didn't build that road, you didn't build the police and fire station, you usually didn't build that building. Life... is not an independent endeavor you can take without support of anyone.
10/24/2012 6:38:50 AM
I love the irony that this is on a firefly forum given the major plot point of that series' movie, Serenity, was about showing an unedited video to show the verse what government officials had really done.
10/24/2012 6:55:45 AM
Ah, the old 'My words were taken out of context
' excuse, so beloved of politicians; and those of the right-wing, nine times out of ten, I always find...!
Certainly in places/situations where they know they're 'preaching to the converted', where they think they're in safe
territory, and what they come out with - without the neural filter of Political Correctness switched on - they won't be called out on (because they know everyone
present is 'singing from the same hymn sheet'). Somehow forgetting that devices called digital audio recorders
exist (I have one, made by Olympus. Superb little gadget it is, with built-in USB connection to any computer for file transfers & thus conversion to MP3s, and linked via input/output cables to any audio system, it makes tape
sensitive microphones it has, too).
Dunno about those in the US, but politicians here in the UK learned - even before the invention of digital
audio recorders, smaller than the microcassette tape
recorders (dictaphones) that existed then - 'There is no such thing as "This is strictly off the record...!"
'Walls have ears', as the old saying goes. And eyes
The MD 80. The world's smallest (Micro-SD-based) digital camcorder
. Extremely small, as you can see. And can a politician expect to have all his attendees thoroughly frisked, a la a police strip-search, and maintain his credibility...?!
Moral: 'Misrepresentation', my left bollock. If you - especially a politician - say it that way, you mean it that way.
And you don't have the right to think
about having the right to 'spin' (i.e. Damage Control) your way out of it, neither.
Otherwise, you're such a loss to the diplomatic corps [/hyper-sarcasm]. And you GOP arselickers & bum-chums, get a room, if you want to rim Mitt the Shit.
10/24/2012 8:44:51 AM
According to Mitt he's a severly conservative guy who would allow many exceptions to an anti-abortion law. Then of course there's his budget math, which either makes him an idiot or a liar.
10/24/2012 10:38:52 AM
Here's the exact quote:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
BTW, Mitt himself later said during an interview with Hannity that such stumbles happen while campaigning, and "in this case, I said something that’s just completely wrong."
What part of that was distorted by the Left?
10/24/2012 12:57:04 PM
DARVO to the maximum possibility.
10/24/2012 12:57:05 PM
This is like being accused of a social faux pas by Attila the Hun.
10/24/2012 2:56:24 PM
I hate it when they misrepresent what you say by repeating your words verbatim. Those bastards.
10/24/2012 3:13:17 PM
I was surprised when I reached the source part of this post and didn't read "Conservapedia".
10/24/2012 4:56:25 PM
Fundies Make Me Sick
Irony meter broken. Mitt needs to build me a new one.
10/25/2012 9:11:12 AM
No, both of those comments are pretty straightforward. You can see the whole video where they said it, in context. There is no way to spin or distort the 47% comment in a way that's in any worse, or better. Just watch the video, it speaks for itself.
As for the "you didn't build that" thing, the only distortion of that I saw was courtesy of Fox News. I think that comment was simply correct.
10/25/2012 4:12:21 PM
Stupid right wing lies, but not fundie. There's gotta be a difference between "politically conservative" and "fundie."
10/25/2012 5:49:56 PM
Romney is a Mormon...
I want to hear your opinion on him now...
10/26/2012 5:10:43 AM
Distortion? Oh if only there was video evidence of exactly what happened so that we could see it in context and judge for ourselves.
Oh, wait... as I hope the other, saner denizens of fireflyfans pointed out, unfortunately for the Republican party, you can't stop the signal.
10/26/2012 10:43:58 AM
It's amazing how they'll deny an entire paragraph of their canidate as "not what he meant" but pick one segment out of context from the other side and insist it overrides the full statement.
Romney said this to a room of wealthy patrons but he's been against social programs for years. His big bomb here isn't that he says welfare recipiants are a drain on society or the social programs will bankrupt America, he's constantly speaking shit like that. The bomb was putting a number on it, 47%. That includes your retired family member who's been paying into the fund since the 60s, thats your soldier currently serving in Afganistan and his brother back home with one bad leg and the other one gone.
When you hear a straight out condemnation of people who have earned their pittance spoken to a room of mostly inheritors of wealth (most rich people are) it should give you pause at least. If it's anyone claiming special entitlements it's these children of privilage, Romney and Ryan included.
10/27/2012 8:39:04 AM