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#1436928
Churchy LaFemme
Number 3 starts with "IF," so if the answer is, for most humanists, that it is not correct, then the rest of your argument falls apart. What is it about fundies and zoophilia?
Other options: birth control (either natural or artificial)and non-intercourse sexual activity. Of course, the same argument would apply to gay relationships, but you don't want to go there, do you?
8/20/2012 5:37:26 AM
#1436935
anevilmeme
Your neuron must cry itself to sleep.
8/20/2012 5:44:14 AM
#1436939
3 through 5. Thanks for numbering your bullshit.
8/20/2012 5:45:56 AM
#1436941
Mister Spak
The one where you know jack shit about what you are talking about.
8/20/2012 5:47:03 AM
#1436952
Voice of Humanity
3-5 are utter absurdities, I don't disagree with them as much as I think you need psychiatric help for even suggesting zoophilia is the only alternative to uninhibited reproduction.
8/20/2012 5:52:32 AM
#1436960
Tempus
Point 1 applies primarily to the handful of lunatics who like to burn SUV dealerships and housing developments, and morons like Pentti Linkola.
3,4, and 5 are a particularly disgusting form of strawman.
8/20/2012 5:57:27 AM
#1436977
kuribo
as a secular humanist, I can say that the idea f raping an animal is morally repunant to me. Point three is thus invalid, negating the rest. You sick fuck.
8/20/2012 6:10:42 AM
#1436983
Tolpuddle Martyr
Consent, google it you fucking idiot!
8/20/2012 6:13:45 AM
#1436984
dionysus
Which point or points do you disagree with?
1, 3, 4, and 5. The only one you managed to get right was number 2 and even then you excluded artificial reproduction which, while not "natural" (technically everything is natural as everything happens in nature, including human animals creating computers from natural parts such as metal and plastic), is still a form of reproduction and it is sloppy for you not to include it. Your whole syllogism is flawed from the very beginning because you take the opinions of some people (not everyone thinks population is the biggest threat to the Earth, it may be a threat to our own survival but the Earth will be fine even if we can't live on it and even then, it's not even close to being the biggest threat to us) and apply a blanket solution to every single humanist in the world. Furthermore, you make a conditional statement and then turn it into an assumption of your syllogism. Finally, you neglect all of the non-humanists and even Christians who think we shouldn't be overpopulating the Earth.
TL;DR version: you fail at logic.
8/20/2012 6:15:03 AM
#1436987
CanadianBroad
What points do I disagree with?
Well, the biggest problem is that you automatically equate zoophilia with bestiality. That is - confusing a sexual attraction or obession with a particular kind of animal with the act of having sex with an animal.
This is not the same thing. The people who self-identify as "zoophiliacs" (people who are attracted to and/or love animals including sexually) do so to separate themselves from people who have sex with animals for the excitement of experimenting with the taboo, or as a substitute for human sexual interaction where none is available (ie; the cliche of the lonely shepherd and his sheep).
I know some zoophiliacs, and believe me, if they could change their attraction to (and often, love of) an animal, they certainly would.
I will not get into the whole debate over whether or not and why or why not sex with animals is wrong and should (or should not) be illegal.
However, Mr. Warden up there seems to think that bestiality is something one just chooses in preference to a relationship with a human being.
No.
Wrong.
Love and attraction are not things that we consciously control. Therefore, the points from #3 on Fail in a big way, unless the person already has that kind of preference (attraction to and/or love) for animals.
8/20/2012 6:18:30 AM
#1437005
JSS
Which point or points do you disagree with?
The part where you make a non-sequitur in assuming human overpopulation concern would lead to bestiality. Oh, and when you falsely assume that lowering human population justifies raping animals. Yeah, pretty much the whole thing. Your own skewed and perverted thoughts are your responsibility, not ours.
8/20/2012 6:49:29 AM
#1437007
Swede
Point 3. It IS in conflict with humanist morals, as animals can't give informed consent.
Homosexuality, on the other hand, is mostly between consenting adults.
If more humans practice homosexuality, the human population would reduce. This is probably why they exist in the first place.
Cheap, easily available birth control and safe abortions will also keep the population in check.
8/20/2012 7:00:14 AM
#1437010
Horsefeathers
Rick, if you want to go fuck a sheep just say so. You don't have to try to justify it with "logic". Just get help.
8/20/2012 7:05:19 AM
#1437014
Rabbit of Caerbannog
*Reads this quote and quote about revealing clothes; head promptly bursts into flames*
8/20/2012 7:10:01 AM
#1437026
Stonespiral
Or, you know, proper sex ed for teens and no more resistance to birth control or abortion for a woman who isn't in a position to support a baby(her choice, of course).
Seriously, what is with fundies and this habit of announcing their fetishes for animals or children by projecting them onto people they don't like?
8/20/2012 7:26:37 AM
#1437041
J. James
"Which point or points do you disagree with?"
The tenuous connection between atheists and population control, and the even-more-tenuous claim that Zoophilia is the only viable solution. It isn't.
8/20/2012 7:45:19 AM
#1437054
Thinking Allowed
If the point or points made sense, then I could be able to figure out which one to disagree with.
8/20/2012 8:01:18 AM
#1437067
Fundies Make Me Sick
Yeah, this makes no sense. I know a logical fallacy is being committed here, I'm just not sure which one. And as for what I disagree with, points 3-5, because not only are those statements complete lies, but how zoophilia even got brought up in the first place, I don't know.
8/20/2012 8:15:11 AM
#1437070
rubber chicken
All but 2.
8/20/2012 8:19:14 AM
#1437076
Raised by Horses
"Which point or points do you disagree with?"
The one where you stopped taking your medicine.
Moreover, I disagree with the fact that someone as stupid as you can even exist.
8/20/2012 8:27:44 AM
#1437080
John_in_Oz
Formal Logic- you're doing it wrong.
8/20/2012 8:33:08 AM
#1437086
farpadokly
Or, you could just have sex with a human and practice contraception.
8/20/2012 8:46:16 AM
#1437087
JohnTheAtheist
The problem in the world over the next 40 years is going to be under population anyway. Not enough workers to support children and elderly.
It is the single most important demographic fact in the world today.
8/20/2012 8:51:35 AM
#1437104
freako104
3-5 and 3 isn't even a point.
8/20/2012 9:21:41 AM
#1437113
Oh My Dog!
1. 7 billion is quite a bit, wouldn't you say? The plane takes off.
2. Why yes, yes it does. The plane is maintaining Altitude.
3. O.o and the plane just took a nosedive.
4. MAY DAY! MAY DAY! MAY DAY!
5. The plane has crashed and wreckage is scattered everywhere.
8/20/2012 9:40:08 AM
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