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[A Mosque Is Not Like a Church or a Synagogue]

The marked proliferation of mosques in the U.S. since 9/11 should raise a red flag for Americans. Recent controversies surrounding mega-mosque construction projects countrywide -- many in locations with almost no Muslims to speak of -- have grave implications for the future of these targeted communities and areas beyond.

Accelerated mosque-building -- in Murfreesboro, Tennessee; Staten Island, Brooklyn, and Ground Zero, New York; and Santa Clara and Temecula, California, to name a few -- carries significance beyond the mere construction of a collection of Muslim houses of worship. It represents yet another orchestrated effort to oust traditional American values and replace them with Islamic practices, laws, and beliefs.
Although most U.S. mosques heretofore have been built without resistance, the newly attendant controversies present speciously polarized views between, on the one hand, ostensibly welcoming, tolerant, multi-culti progressives who deny any possible radical agenda despite substantial evidence to the contrary in existing mosques and, on the other hand, so-called fearful, Islamophobic, ignorant bigots unwilling to embrace diversity. Mainstream media's predominant point of view is that any opposition to mosque-building represents a blatant unwillingness to integrate Muslims into American communities. This view disallows the possibility that such objections represent appropriate, reasoned responses to an attempt to destroy America from within and supplant its culture with a supremacist, totalitarian, and misogynistic ideology.

Islamic terrorism expert Steven Emerson, executive director of the Investigative Project for Terrorism, attributes the spate of mosque-building and land acquisition to the Muslim American Society (MAS), an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. Emerson contends that the MAS has been actively buying up property and establishing mosques to control the appointment of imams who "distribute the message they believe is necessary to spread Islam around the world."

It should be noted that a mosque is totally unlike a church or a synagogue, entities that serve their communities under the law of the land and are both empowered and restrained under the First Amendment of the Constitution. Under the Establishment Clause of that amendment, the government is prohibited from establishing a state religion or conferring preferential treatment on one religion over another. Although the government may not interfere with religious beliefs and opinions, the proscription of religious practices is permissible, as in the examples of polygamy and human sacrifice.

In the U.S. and in other Western countries, Christians and Jews freely and critically choose their brand of theology from a multitude of ecclesiastic offerings and determine their individual levels of religious observance or none at all. The exercise of faith and the observance of faith-related practices occur across a broad spectrum of individual behaviors based solely on personal choice.

In Muslim countries, no separation exists between mosque and state. Islamic doctrine or sharia controls all aspects of a person's existence, from the correct way to use the toilet to permissible forms of lying, or taquiya. For Muslims, Mohammed is the perfect man, whose every example must be emulated, even though by Western Judeo-Christian standards he was a mass murderer, pedophile, rapist, torturer, and looter. Furthermore, Islamic doctrine is immutable, and any criticism of the traditions and practices of Mohammed is considered apostasy, which is punishable by death.

No free individual will exists or is allowed when it comes to practices and observances. Sharia must be strictly followed. A mosque is a symbol of this ultimate authority and serves the function of organizing every aspect of life in a Muslim community...

Janet Levy, American Thinker 28 Comments [8/19/2012 11:22:26 AM]
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#1436562
Ebon

Oh, fuck off, you bigoted fuckwad.

8/19/2012 11:24:02 AM

#1436580
freako104

Many Christians envy the Taliban for their lack of separation and wish for the same but with church. Just as bad. And after August 1996 I've been worried about churches

8/19/2012 11:38:44 AM

#1436597
Leighton Buzzard

Another ignorant arsehole who thinks there's only one kind of Islam.

8/19/2012 12:04:22 PM

#1436613
RinellaWasHere

This seems an appropriate soundtrack to this post.

For reference, Ms. Levy, you and your ilk are playing both groups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0vJkw4sfP4

8/19/2012 12:20:47 PM

#1436622
J. James

There are what, a few million Moslems in America? At most, 3-6? Utterly terrifying. You should be very, very afraid of the tiny handful of Moslems, and completely ignore the fact that the majority of domestic terrorism is conducted by right-wing Christians like the ones that attend church on every street in the country... Whereas Moslems account for about 10% of domestic terrorism.

8/19/2012 12:28:06 PM

#1436625
Oh My Dog!

It represents yet another orchestrated effort to oust traditional American values and replace them with Islamic practices, laws, and beliefs.

And how exactly are they going to pull that off? Unless they somehow manage to overturn The Establishment Clause, it isn't going to happen.



You are quite a loon.

8/19/2012 12:31:09 PM

#1436692


hmm, christian churches who interpret the Holy Bible to suit their own desires. What could possibly be wrong there ?

I suggest you read up on the history of the christian churches. You might get a few surprises.

8/19/2012 1:55:11 PM

#1436698
louislois

"In Muslim countries, no separation exists between mosque and state."

Yeah? Look up Turkey and get back to us....

8/19/2012 2:10:43 PM

#1436720
Berny

We have no "Thinking American" here. What we have is some bozo who is deathly afraid of things she doesn't understand, and in the typical ignorance of her ilk, doesn't seek to understand it any better.
Fuck you, bigot.

8/19/2012 2:44:35 PM

#1436743
Churchy LaFemme

The Establishment clause also prohibits conferring preferential treatment on religion over non-religion. You know, like giving tax benefits to churches that aren't available to other community groups?

Mosques serve their communities in exactly the same way as churches and synagogues. If you had any evidence to the contrary, you'd be trumpeting it instead of just using vague possibilities.

8/19/2012 3:55:32 PM

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8/19/2012 4:07:24 PM

#1436749
Old Viking

Janet, shut up and go make me a sandwich.

8/19/2012 4:09:39 PM

#1436754
farpadokly

The mistake this makes is to assume that all Islam is extremist, radical Islam. Most of those mosques will just have people praying in them.
More broadly, most of the specific criticisms that apply to Islam apply also to the other Abrahamic religions. Of the Abrahamic religions, Islam and Christianity are particularly dangerous in that, unlike Judaism, they claim universality. The universalist nature of their doctrines are precisely the source of their fanaticism and potential destructiveness.

8/19/2012 4:15:57 PM

#1436781
Mudak

I live in suburban Philadelphia (Pennsylvania). Three new Christian churches have been built within a five mile radius of my home in the last two to three years. While my evidence may be anecdotal, I suspect it's not unreasonable to think that the construction of churches outpaces the construction of mosques nationwide. If my suspicions are accurate, then your thesis fails in the first paragraph.

8/19/2012 5:31:43 PM

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So wait, if mosques are being built in areas with 'no muslims' then ~who is building them~?

8/19/2012 5:59:36 PM

#1436826
Reckoner

Sure this is CSTDT, instead of FSTDT. It's extremely paranoid that doesn't have the political clout to take over a school board, let alone all of Congress. This doesn't sound fundie to me though.

8/19/2012 8:10:39 PM

#1436913
Doubting Thomas

In Muslim countries, no separation exists between mosque and state. Islamic doctrine or sharia controls all aspects of a person's existence

How is this any different from Christians and Christianity in the United States?

8/20/2012 5:11:24 AM

#1436914
Amadan

"Islamic Terrorism Expert": Pam Gellar wannabe desperate for any gig he can get inside the Beltway.


8/20/2012 5:15:20 AM

#1436956
Mister Spak

Accelerated church-building -- in Murfreesboro, Tennessee; Staten Island, Brooklyn, and Ground Zero, New York; and Santa Clara and Temecula, California, to name a few -- carries significance beyond the mere construction of a collection of christian houses of worship. It represents yet another orchestrated effort to oust traditional American values and replace them with christian practices, laws, and beliefs.

8/20/2012 5:53:50 AM

#1436995
UHM

"In Muslim countries, no separation exists between mosque and state."

Turkey? Have you ever heard of that place?

8/20/2012 6:25:33 AM

#1437146
Vman

UHM:

"In Muslim countries, no separation exists between mosque and state."

Turkey? Have you ever heard of that place?


Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan. All majority Muslim countries, fully secular ;)
Kosovo too, though it's only partially internationally recognized. Same with the unrecognized North Cyprus (Turkish).

Bosnia & Herzegovina and Albania too, of recognized countries which have a smaller percentage of Muslims, but still 40-70%.

See this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_with_Sharia_rule.png

8/20/2012 10:37:16 AM

#1437473
Monzach

I agree that churches and mosques (and monastaries and pagodas) are all competely different: After all, in Civ V: Gods and Kings the benefits given by each of the religious buildings are completely different! ^.^

8/21/2012 5:01:45 AM

#1437825
Shadoboy

So, let's ban all churches that don't adhere to your particular religion, Janet?

8/21/2012 10:50:57 PM

#1437998
JeanP

*"Accelerated mosque-building -- in Murfreesboro, Tennessee; Staten Island, Brooklyn, and Ground Zero, New York; and Santa Clara and Temecula, California, to name a few -- carries significance beyond the mere construction of a collection of Muslim houses of worship. It represents yet another orchestrated effort to oust traditional American values and replace them with Islamic practices, laws, and beliefs."

And what the numerical importance of muslim population in the US? This kind of fears was enough bad in Europe where muslims are only 5% but in the US, where they are 0,6%, it is just unlimited paranoia by people who cannot anymore attack Catholics, Jews, Natives, Irish, Italians and others.

*"Emerson contends that the MAS has been actively buying up property and establishing mosques to control the appointment of imams who "distribute the message they believe is necessary to spread Islam around the world.""

Like all the other religons? After all, the Vatican has a missionary section and all congregations are trying to convert unbeliever; even Judaism was doing this in the Antiquity.

*"No free individual will exists or is allowed when it comes to practices and observances. Sharia must be strictly followed. A mosque is a symbol of this ultimate authority and serves the function of organizing every aspect of life in a Muslim community..."

Not unlike christianism before the XXe century?


8/22/2012 8:37:42 AM

#1438005
Filin De Blanc

Maybe you should practice the whole "remove the log from your own eye before removing the speck from your neighbour's" thing like Jesus said and do something about all the Christian terrorists before you start worrying about Islam.

8/22/2012 8:55:24 AM
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