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#1436193
Aspergus
For the umpteenth goddamn time, the religious do not own marriage. I'm getting really goddamn sick of you people's bullshit.
8/18/2012 3:24:28 AM
#1436200
Raised by Horses
*yawn*
Argumentum ad NO U.
8/18/2012 4:09:06 AM
#1436207
Justanotheratheist
Marriage is not exclusively biblical or religious. I was married in a government office, and my marriage is just as valid as that emanating from any elaborate church wedding.
8/18/2012 4:24:39 AM
#1436213
rimmer1959
Ah the bible, rewritten many time and many parts left out. And it's still a pile of camel dung. Please put it down and start living, you only have one go at life so enjoy it
8/18/2012 4:34:04 AM
#1436244
Reynardine
The government recognizes marriage as a civil *contract* between two people. It cannot recognize marriage as a *sacrament*, though, unlike most Civil Code jurisdictions, it will accept a marriage certificate signed by any presiding religious official at the Bureau of Vital Statistics as proof a contract was ratified. Every religious institution can decide who will contract *sacramentally* under their laws; the state can only limit those laws to requiring such contracts to be between sui juris adults under no duress. The type of contract recognized in our society requires that currently, neither party can be under contract to another partner. Your church can otherwise do what it damn well pleases withn its confines, and it cannot say jack outside of it. That's called separation of church and state, and that's why the state can't shut up even mean, tyrannical blowhards like you. Got it?
8/18/2012 6:08:38 AM
#1436246
VoiceofKane
He's right, you know. The courts don't have that right.
However, what he fails to mention is that no court in the country really wants to.
8/18/2012 6:10:03 AM
#1436251
Leighton Buzzard
I thought re-defining the Bible was Andy Schalfly's job?
8/18/2012 6:15:28 AM
#1436257
\m/>_<\m/
actually justanotheratheist, you marriage is MORE valid than a church marriage, as it is state sanctionned, ergo recognized by the state. tell that to mormon polygamist marriage who are church sanctionned but not recognized by the state...
8/18/2012 6:44:41 AM
#1436262
Filin De Blanc
If marriage is an entirely religious concept, then having state-recognized marriages at all is a First Amendment violation. The one who wants to have it both ways is you - you want marriage to remain a civil contract but not changeable from its religious definition by the government.
8/18/2012 6:55:20 AM
#1436277
John
The moment the government gets involved in rewriting marriage, they are now on religious grouns, where the government should not be.
If observant Jews don't eat pork, does that mean the government is on religious grounds by allowing pork to be sold? If fundamentalist Christians don't like homosexuals, how is the government on religious grounds by allowing same-sex marriage?
Marriage is a legal contract under civil law. The fact that religions have jumped in and claimed it also to be a religious sacrament doesn't make marriage religious. Each church is free to have its own rules about who is and isn't considered married. But those rules aren't binding on the rest of us.
8/18/2012 7:32:37 AM
#1436282
Mister Spak
"The courts do not have the right to re-defined religion, re-write the Bible,"
But conservapedia does have that right?
8/18/2012 7:47:52 AM
#1436285
Thinking Allowed
Someone doesn't understand The First Amendment do they?
8/18/2012 8:03:17 AM
#1436297
JeanP
@Thinking Allowed
"Someone doesn't understand basic constitutionnal law do they?"
Fixed it for you.
8/18/2012 8:52:41 AM
#1436300
Oh My Dog!
What about Christians who think that same sex marriage should be recognized on religious grounds? Are you saying they can't have their rights?
8/18/2012 9:01:51 AM
#1436305
pete
Thinking backwards again. These poor freaks are so brainwashed that they don't realize that marriage is a legal agreement devoid of religious meaning. That's why preachers derive their "powers" to marry people from the state. Preachers are essentially granted the power to officiate weddings as a courtesy.
8/18/2012 9:24:36 AM
#1436307
freako104
Failing. You're good at that. Marriage is not necessarily Christian nor Biblical. And you fail first amendment
8/18/2012 9:55:57 AM
#1436312
Micharion
Oh yes mormons all of them so do polygamy anymore you prick that is major sarcasm by the way. Learn things before spouting it out.
8/18/2012 10:36:02 AM
#1436316
Alencon
Marriage is defined by the state and not by religion which is why the state issues the marriage license.
So, since marriage is defined by the state, the definition can be changed by the state. Why is this simple concept os difficult to understand?
8/18/2012 11:00:34 AM
#1436332
Old Viking
Christianity didn't involve itself in marriage until Medieval times, when it realized there was money to be made from it.
8/18/2012 12:11:47 PM
#1436333
marriage in the US is a secular issue, detailed in US federal and state law.
You dont need any member of a religeous group to formalize it, although you can if you want too.
Similarly no church is forced to conduct a ceremony for thoase who are not in line with church policy. Si divorced people, gays, lesbians etc who have a secular marriage license can not demand to be married in for example a catholic church.
8/18/2012 12:13:48 PM
#1436335
Mad_Jester
@Micharion:
Learn fucking PUNCTUATION before you say anything, to anyone, ever. You braindead troll.
8/18/2012 12:35:41 PM
#1436336
Micharion
Yes, because I have only said things to elicit a negative response out of people and I am the brain dead one. Or did you say that just because you know that I am right?
8/18/2012 12:39:50 PM
#1436356
Ebon
The religious do not own and did not invent the concept of marriage. Nobody is telling churches who to marry, they are simply extending the legal definition of the word.
8/18/2012 1:44:32 PM
#1436360
The Crimson Ghost
I think Micharion is quite possibly the worst troll I have ever seen. Worse than His4Life.
I get the impression that fundie idiots like this are just trapped in lousy marriages & simply can't stand the thought of anyone else having it better than them. I'd pity them; if they weren't such horrible people.
8/18/2012 2:10:20 PM
#1436362
Punch
Correct. You can't have it both ways. Like Christians thinking they have a monopoly on religion when it wasn't even a religious service in the first place.
8/18/2012 2:17:02 PM
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