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#1432896
Pup
Are you done with that strawman yet?
8/10/2012 4:25:27 AM
#1432907
It is sad how effective this strategy has been.
No it ain't :-)
8/10/2012 4:35:49 AM
#1432913
Filin De Blanc
The pseudo-morality of the Right is a direct perversion of the morality espoused by Christ. The Christian message of "love thy neighbour" is enormously powerful when it can be expressed clearly. The purpose of pseudo-morality is to create noise to cover up that powerful message:
"We are in favour of marital intimacy! Never mind that we try to pass laws against gay marriage and thus forcibly deprive people of their marital intimacy."
"We're against abortion because it takes the lives of innocent children. What, you say those wars we're in killed innocent children too? Who cares about that, they were foreigners!"
"We want people to stay faithful to their partners and show self control. Just ignore serial adulterer Newt Gingrich."
"We value personal responsibility, except when it comes to big business. They should be allowed to do whatever they want with no checks to prevent them from robbing people."
"We value wisdom, as long as it's not wisdom that contradicts our holy book. That should be suppressed wherever possible lest people realize that our religion is based on a faulty text."
The Right mimics and distorts Christian morality in order to defeat freedom. They substitute intolerance for love, fascism for freedom, "necessary suffering" for joy and sophistry for wisdom.
Is it sad how effective this strategy has been.
8/10/2012 4:45:29 AM
#1432923
Doubting Thomas
Well, why don't you try refuting those arguments? Christians do talk of love but express hatred toward gay people. Christians do talk of freedom but want to enslave women. I notice you don't have any good arguments to show why this isn't true.
8/10/2012 5:03:42 AM
#1432935
John_in_Oz
That was such an effective rebuttal of the voices in your head!
8/10/2012 5:16:49 AM
#1432959
VoiceofKane
Worst. Strawman. Ever. Of all time.
This strawman may actually make me like the left *more.*
8/10/2012 5:41:03 AM
#1432960
Canadia
The last one is my favorite. "Those fuckers and their big words!"
8/10/2012 5:43:34 AM
#1432963
dionysus
We are so tolerant that we can’t even see a difference between random acts of sodomy and marital intimacy.
Considering that straight people engage in sodomy (which is defined as anything but vaginal intercourse, including anal and blowjobs) there really isn't much difference. Straight men simply have one more option but all options are equally intimate.
They talk about freedom but they want to enslave women! We want women to be free to choose no matter the cost to innocents.
Actually, I'd much rather they use contraceptives honestly. But somehow I think that's also out of the question for you.
We want you to do whatever makes you happy, even if it involves your neighbor’s wife.
Unless you mean hanging out with the neighbor's wife at Six Flags or joining her book club we don't condone adultery any more than you do. We simply aren't willing to stone them to death over it. They're all adults and we have divorce courts so the one being cheated on can deal with this kind of thing.
We want to save the planet by making everyone live like cavemen.
I had no idea cavemen had solar power, nuclear power, and hydrogen power. Now wonder they get offended in the Geico commercials.
We couch everything we say in scientific terms. We’re so smart!
Translation: "Big werds hert mah hed!"
8/10/2012 5:49:14 AM
#1432965
dionysus
Don't know how that double posted.
8/10/2012 5:51:38 AM
#1432978
Mister Spak
The pseudo morality of the right is a direct response to the success created by atheism. The wealth and peace resulting from atheism is enormously powerful when it can be expressed clearly. The purpose of pseudo-morality is to convince gullible victims that christian speudo-morality has some kind of nebuous superiority to the real world benefits of atheism.
They talk about love but they say they hate the sin. They claim American freedom is based on their so called god but they pass laws that don't allow women to run their own lives!
They support environmentally destructive policies but say this is actually good for the environment because Jesus will float down from the sky and fix everything! We want to save the planet even if we return to the stone age!
They talk about science but they reject it when it contradicts their creation myth! They're so smart!
They talk about personal responsibility but then say it's gods plan that they drove drunk and killed a child! We are so holy!
The right mimics and distorts reality in order to defeat traditional American values. They hate and call it love, enforce tyranny and call it freedom, create misery and call it happiness, imaginary spook conspiracies for personal responsibility,, and goddiddit for knowledge.
8/10/2012 6:08:33 AM
#1432990
Balthazar The Wise
1. Who gives a fuck what they do in the privacy of their own rooms? Of course, they'd probably pointedly deny the right to home privacy, that's my first memory of Rick Santorum, he did precisely that.
2. I'm kind of conflicted on abortion, and honestly I do believe the anti-abortion types come from a well intentioned place rather than "wanting to control women," but I'm staying neutral on the issue until God is proven to either exist or not exist.
3. Well, honestly I don't think you need to be a Jesus Freak to see that it's better to be temperate rather than wanton, though they'd probably want to turn us to borderline ascetism.
4. Regardless of where you stand on global warming, it's stupid to deny that humans can have a lasting impact upon the planet. For instance, if we fired off all our nukes, we'd probably turn the world into a wasteland in short order. The living would envy the dead. So yeah, fuck the reckless ones.
5. And on this I have to say, fuck you if you dissent against science. Unless it is with more accurate science, of course.
8/10/2012 6:17:16 AM
#1433032
"We want women to be free to choose no matter the cost to innocents."
You mean like men have always been free to choose? They could just say "no, that's not mine", and disappear.
There is no innocent, btw, it's just a lump of cells with less independent life than a tape worm.
8/10/2012 7:19:48 AM
#1433054
Smurfette Principle
Random Acts of Sodomy is my new band name.
8/10/2012 7:49:08 AM
#1433069
freako104
You DO know Christians have expressed outright hatred towards non Christians and homosexuals. And in fact your post is showing that they speak the truth.
Poe or troll maybe
8/10/2012 8:17:07 AM
#1433070
Thinking Allowed
8/10/2012 8:19:34 AM
#1433080
tmarcl
“They talk about love but they hate gay people! We are so tolerant that we can’t even see a difference between random acts of sodomy and marital intimacy.”
Even if that were true, you haven't explained why "random acts of sodomy" would be wrong, other than to say, "Godsaidso." Unfortunately, that argument only applies to people who believe in your god.
“They talk about freedom but they want to enslave women! We want women to be free to choose no matter the cost to innocents.”
We do want women to be free. If would be better if they (as well as men) had easier access to contraceptives and better sex education, which would go a long way towards reducing the number of abortions. Unfortunately, you oppose that, as well.
“They talk about joy but they want you to show self control! We want you to do whatever makes you happy, even if it involves your neighbor’s wife.
This is just wrong. "If it feels good do it" is not a slogan used today, and even if it were, very few people support harming others intentionally. Cheating on one's spouse hurts them.
“They talk about personal responsibility but they are destroying the planet! We want to save the planet by making everyone live like cavemen.”
No, we want to save the planet by reducing the amount of harm we're doing, and finding better ways to do the things we need to be doing. Solar power, nuclear power - those are good things. As are electric cars, etc. No one wants to live like a caveman, we just don't want to destroy our one home in the pursuit of a higher standard of living.
8/10/2012 8:24:48 AM
#1433081
tmarcl
“They talk about wisdom but they don’t believe in science! We couch everything we say in scientific terms. We’re so smart!”
Of course we do. Science is the quest for answers. How do things work? What are the consequences of various things? How can we improve our quality of life? How can we ensure there is a planet to give our children? Without using science, we can not find answers to these questions.
8/10/2012 8:25:21 AM
#1433092
John
“They talk about love but they hate gay people! We believe in keeping the government's nose out of other peoples' business.”
“They talk about freedom but they want to enslave women! We believe in keeping the government's nose out of other peoples' business.”
“They talk about joy but they want you to show self control! We believe in keeping the government's nose out of other peoples' business.”
“They talk about personal responsibility but they are destroying the planet! We want to save the planet by making everyone dispose of their own garbage instead of throwing it in the street, the water or the atmosphere”
8/10/2012 8:37:00 AM
#1433098
Oh My Dog!
Mighty impressive straw-men you have there.
8/10/2012 8:49:42 AM
#1433108
Fundies Make Me Sick
“They talk about love but they hate everyone who isn't a white, conservative Christian. We believe that everyone is deserving of basic human rights, dignity and respect, regardless of race, sex, religious belief, sexual orientation, etc.”
“They talk about freedom but they want to enslave women and think that slavery can somehow be justified. We understand that slavery is never okay and that women should be free to do with their bodies as they please, as long as its within the law.”
“They talk about joy but they want everyone who isn't like them to be miserable. We believe that everyone is entitled to right of pursuit of happiness, including the right to marry, again, within the law.
“They talk about personal responsibility but make excuses their own transgressions, past or present. Accountability applies to everyone, no exceptions.”
“They talk about wisdom but they don’t believe in science or logic or common sense. We at least have enough sense not to take the writings of ancient books from primitive cultures as literal truth with regard to history, science or morality.”
Fixed.
8/10/2012 9:12:16 AM
#1433117
Iel
As someone who is a left- and anarchic-leaning person, the idiocy in this post is astounding.
Fundamentalist moralizing is inherently flawed -- Hell, moralizing is inherently flawed. I have very few principles (it comes with the territory of being a Slytherin), but those principles are damn enough for me.
I see no difference between sexual acts based on the genitalia or marital status of those involved, providing that everyone involved in or directly affected by those acts are okay with what's going on. It seems pointless to discriminate based on those things, considering that the first doesn't matter and the second can be easily changed.
This is an abortion thingy, isn't it? Ash, the problem here is that sapience and sentience don't appear until an actual brain forms. Up until then, the fetus is simply a mass of flesh in the process of growing into a human; at this point, it cannot be innocent or guilty of anything, because that requires actually being independently alive.
See two paragraphs back for my take on this one.
Who said anything about living like cavemen? I'm rather attached to my Internet.
And what, exactly, is wrong about intelligence or the appearance thereof? As an avowed geek, I'm a bit offended by this one.
8/10/2012 9:25:02 AM
#1433132
Zagen30
That second-to-last line is so full of false dichotomies.
They substitute tolerance for love
Liberals are just as capable of love as conservatives. The key difference is that most of them have the ability to actually love someone who is notably different from themselves. It's not a substitution, it's a wider field.
self-indulgence for freedom
As opposed to the rich conservatives who indulge themselves on money they've hoodwinked from the poor. Or the fundies who indulge their desires on the basis that God will forgive them because they pray to him. Liberals want all minorities to have the freedom to do as they wish as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
temporary pleasure for joy
Atheists have much lower divorce rates than fundies. Pretty sure they have both temporary pleasure and long-term joy. Considering we have no proof of an afterlife, any arguments you make using one aren't going to work.
government control for personal responsibility
As opposed to deity control. Amazing how many things aren't your fault but God's. Also amazing how little personal responsibility so many corporate executives have when they have the opportunity to amass tons of wealth for themselves while screwing over so many others.
and sophistry for wisdom.
Much of science is very grounded in reality. It changes as we gain new knowledge.
8/10/2012 9:57:47 AM
#1433136
WWWWolf
> “They talk about love but they hate gay people! We are so tolerant that we can’t even see a difference between random acts of sodomy and marital intimacy.”
Oh, rational people can usually see the difference between random acts of sodomy and marital intimacy. It's you who seem to have telling the two apart. (Free hint: Marital intimacy is marital intimacy, even when it involves to people of same sex.)
> “They talk about freedom but they want to enslave women! We want women to be free to choose no matter the cost to innocents.”
Well, seeing you're not concerned about the costs to the innocents either...
> “They talk about joy but they want you to show self control! We want you to do whatever makes you happy, even if it involves your neighbor’s wife.
Why can't I make my neigbour's wife happy? Not everything you do has to involve sex, you filthy-headed evil man. (In fact, if you have a clear idea what makes other people happy, life is generally somewhat trouble-free.)
> “They talk about personal responsibility but they are destroying the planet! We want to save the planet by making everyone live like cavemen.”
Compared to the US, the rest of the world have stricter environmental regulations, and we aren't living like cavemen.
> “They talk about wisdom but they don’t believe in science! We couch everything we say in scientific terms. We’re so smart!”
I could start analysing this comment in terms of argumentation flaws. However, since that would be too ironic, I just settle for a simpler version: your comment is quite obviously dumb, and I have no idea who you tried to impress with it.
8/10/2012 10:07:09 AM
#1433147
Meeeh
That was a whole lot of
8/10/2012 11:05:33 AM
#1433154
breakerslion
The Christian message of redemption and inner peace is enormously delusional, and the alleged morality espoused is fear-based and hypocritical. Not that you would notice from behind all that straw.
8/10/2012 11:33:08 AM
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