Wouldn't it be quicker and easier just to write "I'm a massive racist moron" and leave it at that?
7/26/2012 4:26:07 AM
It's true that many former slaves who were interviewed for oral histories of slavery indicated that life was easier when they were slaves. It is also true that all of the historians who recorded those stories were White, and it is possible that the historian recorded what they wanted to hear OR the former slave said what they thought the historian wanted to hear.
7/26/2012 4:35:04 AM
Now that you mention it.......
7/26/2012 4:41:18 AM
Well, good morning, Doug, Steve. Ii'm glad you find slavery so pleasant. You'll find the tools in the shed, such as a mop, a broom, a rake, a hoe, a scrubbrush, etc. Take them and report to the overseer, who doesn't like complaints. You'll work through till sundown. Then you'll get a nice pail of scraps for supper, quite nourishing, really, which you are to eat quietly in the shed, your sleeping quarters. Sweep the floor before you lie down to sleep on it. Cock's crow, same thing happens again. Oh, and since you've got no souls to worry about, don't expect Sunday off.
7/26/2012 4:45:36 AM
Look, just say 'we hate niggers'. You'll feel better, and we can throw things at you.
7/26/2012 5:08:38 AM
"Christians should be quick to notice the discrepancies between biblical slavery and that practiced in the South."
Except the slave practicers in the south said what they were doing IS biblical slavery.
7/26/2012 5:21:02 AM
This is not "reformed" theology: it's sick and twisted theology. I don't see Doug and Steve (sounds like a couple) lining up to wear chains.
7/26/2012 5:28:39 AM
"Furthermore, the cruel mistreatment given to some slaves is inexcusable and truly despicable. All such evil was wicked and indefensible."
WRONG! "Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God’s approval." - Peter 2:15, maybe. 2:18?
It is entirely excusable. Cruel slave owners? God'll sort them out in the end. Don't presume to know what God wants/take justice into your own hands. What kind of Christian are you?!
7/26/2012 5:43:55 AM
If anyone else is interested in how slavery was viewed in the mid-19th century South, I found a great collection of papers:
The slave owners were, of course, just doing God's will. Abolitionists were interfering with the divine order of things.
7/26/2012 5:48:07 AM
Can someone break down what he's saying?
7/26/2012 6:09:45 AM
Owning another person is wrong. Period. I don't care if God himself comes down and tells me otherwise. Biblical slavery is just as wrong as southern slavery.
Furthermore, the cruel mistreatment given to some slaves is inexcusable and truly despicable.
Same thing in the fucking Bible! It says you can beat your slaves so long as they don't die in a day or two. Torturers have been able to keep prisoners of war alive for a long time while putting them through the most horrendous interrogations and your fucking Bible would allow that torturer to torture a slave to agonizing near-death. The Bible is garbage when it comes to morality!
7/26/2012 6:20:23 AM
Fundie Values = Slavery Good
7/26/2012 6:20:49 AM
"But too often the real problems with slavery were not the problems we have been told about. However, as discussed earlier, Christians should be quick to notice the discrepancies between biblical slavery and that practiced in the South"
According to your precious 'Word of God', I could claim you as my property, and you would have to obey my orders. Without question.
...doesn't sound too nice, when it applies to you now, does it, eh Douggie-boy?
Moral: Slavery is still slavery, no matter how you slice it. It's still Evil. Therefore your 'God' is Evil, ergo he has absolutely no right to exist in a modern, forward-thinking, secular society such as the USA. 'Separation of Church and State' - that phrase exists for a reason. The last time both were indivisible, people were burned at the stake, never mind effectively kept as serf-slaves.
7/26/2012 6:27:38 AM
The problem with slavery is slavery.
Your theology needs some more reforming.
7/26/2012 6:38:10 AM
I've read comments from these biblical slavery apologists many, many times, and they have yet to ever explain why it is OK to own another person as property.
Of course, the way many of them think of women as property, it's no surprise they'd be OK with slavery.
7/26/2012 6:48:17 AM
How convenient for the writers of the Bible, likely slave owners or beneficiaries of slavery, to know that God wanted slaves to do--shut up and take no matter how cruel your "master."
7/26/2012 6:53:03 AM
Pleasant? Slavery? Are MAD sir?
7/26/2012 7:30:18 AM
Slavery is slavery, biblical or not.
7/26/2012 7:37:09 AM
So, the difference between southern slavery and biblical slavery is Stockholm Syndrome?
7/26/2012 7:59:54 AM
7/26/2012 8:05:45 AM
"The majority of those interviewed complain that they would rather be slaves again than to be free with all the responsibilities that freedom entails. Ironically, if slavery had not been so pleasant an experience for the majority, this mentality would not likely have such a strong hold upon the minds of some of their descendants today."
Of all the things written here, this is possibly the most pathetically naive. The black slaves spent their entire lives being ordered around by their masters. Suddenly, with the Emancipation Proclamation, they were set free and had to make decisions for themselves instead of having the decisions made for them. It's little wonder that they had trouble coping with their new-found freedom.
They didn't want to become slaves again because that life was great. They wanted that back because it was the only life they knew how to live. The slavers and taskmasters did nothing to prepare these people for a life outside of the plantation. And so, to the plantation they wanted to return.
7/26/2012 8:28:56 AM
I'm not sure you can find any country outside the bleakest fucked up third world hell holes were groups of people are defending and promoting slavery - except for in the US!
7/26/2012 8:29:39 AM
If that was the case, then how come none of the newly-freed slaves voluntarily returned to their masters?
7/26/2012 8:32:56 AM
I propose a bill that anyone justifying slavery has to be a slave for at least one little month of his life.
7/26/2012 9:14:33 AM
So… granting people freedom has made the state bigger? Wait so if we wanted to abandon the state we would have to make people slaves? And because a smaller state is freedom - FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
7/26/2012 10:43:32 AM