"Furthermore, we trust that you need no reminding of the fact that something’s being legal does not make it right."
You're starting to catch on. Censoring porn because it's against your religion may be legal, but it's still wrong.
7/18/2012 6:47:09 AM
Not quite sure how this is fundie to tell the truth. No reference to religion and uses racism as an example of a moral evil. And there's a lot wrong with pornography separate from religious objections, what with the misogyny, profit driven capitalism and so on.
7/18/2012 6:48:07 AM
Worst analogy ever:
Denying people rights and personal freedom is wrong, therefore its okay to tell people what they can't do.
7/18/2012 6:48:52 AM
Fundy does not mean religious. It just means fundamentalist, whether political, religious, or other.
7/18/2012 7:18:36 AM
There are hotels that offer pornography? What kind of hotel are you staying at exactly? How about instead of bitching to all hotels just avoid the adult-themed ones. It's just like if you don't like kids then don't go to Disney World. Common sense.
Not all porn is evil or misogynist (I for one like the ones that are made by women who enjoy it, thus why I like self-pics) and in my opinion making porn more acceptable and legitimate makes it easier to police it and prevent abuse. It's much harder to regulate a business that's driven underground.
7/18/2012 7:25:32 AM
Furthermore, we trust that you need no reminding of the fact that something’s being legal does not make it right.
I trust that you need no reminding of the fact that something’s being offensive to you does not make it right for the government to enforce your personal opinion at the point of a gun.
7/18/2012 7:25:48 AM
Well, I do agree that it was indeed shameful, but that actually harmed people and brought about and excused violence against innocent people. Every actor (as far as I know) in the adult pornography industry are willing participants giving their fully informed consent. No real victims. Stop peeping into other peoples' bedrooms.
7/18/2012 7:26:19 AM
I agree with this letter. I was in a hotel and saw this piece of literature in the room. It was filled with all manner of degrading filth. Incest. Murder. Adultery. Nudity.
Oh, wait. It was the bible.
7/18/2012 7:45:21 AM
No, certainly it should never be criminalised. That would only make porn worse as well as being an unforgivable violation of freedom of expression. And it's absolutely true that not all porn is bad, if porn simply means depictions of sex-to suggest there's anything inherrantly wrong with that is absurd.
However, if you look up "porn" on google, I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of results a filled to bursting with sexist language and imagery. Thus I do contend that much porn consumed by society is sexist and patriarchal-how many prominent porn sites do you know of that do not assume their audience is exclusively male?
As for the quote, having read the full letter it seems pretty obvious, given who wrote it and much of the language, that it IS based on religious dogma. It's not explicit and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but the fact that the authors felt compelled to identify their religion, reference the "truth of our scriptures" and use words like "temptation" makes it pretty clear that they're not very concerned with secular justice and equality. So I withdraw my assertion that it isn't fundie.
Yes I know. I didn't think it was fundie in any way before but see above.
7/18/2012 7:59:51 AM
How is this fundie? The example is unimaginative and his preoccupation with pornography perhaps excessive, but he didn't say anything remotely hateful or absurd.
Edit: ok, the author (not the quote here) may be fundie, but how is it darndest?
7/18/2012 8:01:19 AM
I'm not sure how that double post happened
7/18/2012 8:03:37 AM
Denying black people lodging =/= selling pornography.
7/18/2012 8:18:24 AM
Every hotel I've ever stayed in has given the option NOT to watch porn. Are you forced to watch it in some hotels ?
7/18/2012 8:23:44 AM
Yet, I imagine you don't have a problem with hotels (or indeed, any business) denying service to same sex couples and their families, do you hypocrite?
7/18/2012 8:25:35 AM
I don't know of any hotel which forces its guests to view porn. Just because it's offered doesn't mean everyone has to watch it. But I guess it's easier for fundies to try to ban it everywhere rather than control their own behavior. Just because a hotel might have a bar doesn't mean I have to get slobbering drunk.
7/18/2012 8:32:49 AM
Then we are in agreement. I agree that the shadier and more misogynistic practices need to end.
7/18/2012 9:30:35 AM
depends on the porn
Consenting adults getting it on and doing it for a viewing audience? More power to them and good for the hotel for offering it.
7/18/2012 9:36:59 AM
People watching porn has nothing to do with people having their civil rights trampled.
7/18/2012 9:38:11 AM
Here is a real fucking simple solution to your porn-problem: DON"T WATCH IT!
How fucking difficult is that?
7/18/2012 10:06:58 AM
Um, okay, let's get something straight here Mr. George and Mr. Yusuf: Freedom of speech covers pornography. If you don't like it and it puts your bloomers in a bunch, don't order it. No one is asking you to order porn in your hotel room. I personally enjoy watching porn, I like the option of ordering it in my hotel room if I want, and I like the fact that America is a free country. This hang-up about sex that has now impressed itself onto pornography for hot puritan on puritan action would make an excellent story for a porn movie.
7/18/2012 10:09:01 AM
One limits the rights and freedoms of others. The other does not - indeed almost the reverse. To compare the two in the way you did is insultingly dishonest.
If you don't like porn, don't watch porn. It's not that fucking hard (because you're not watching porn - badum-tsch!).
7/18/2012 10:30:55 AM
Sex Sells. Religion doesn't. Deal with it.
7/18/2012 10:39:01 AM
Internet access is making this "issue" as outdated as buggy whips.
7/18/2012 11:13:44 AM
There are plenty of non-religious reasons to dislike pornography.
Attempting to control other people's choices, on the other hand, is somewhat fundie. Hmm.
But there are valid arguments to be made against it that could possibly suggest banning it from certain places...
So I'm going to go and say "not fundie".
7/18/2012 12:01:28 PM
Good luck with that!
7/18/2012 12:25:07 PM