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#1420208
fmitchell
"Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution."
Citation seriously needed.
"If asteroid strikes once caused life to advance, why don't evolutionists applaud global warming today?"
Because it would likely kill off our species. We LIVE on this planet. This is a question by you?
7/6/2012 3:34:09 AM
#1420210
Atheissimo
Asteroid strikes didn't cause life to advance, they actually wiped out a large amount of life on Earth. Leading to the rise of new forms of life, including us.
You have two thoughts you seem to be unable to let go: One, that certain kinds of life are superior to others (ironic, since you're Jewish) and that evolution means the eventual creation of the ubermensch or something. This is not the case. Evolution creates beings suited to their environment. A sea slug is no more or less evolved than a person. Ants are no less than people, they may even be considered better suited than people, given that they can maintain trillions in complex societies sustainably.
Secondly, that Evolution is some sort of deity that needs to be appeased. I know it's hard to imagine when the driving force behind all in your life IS a deity with whims and thoughts and emotions that need to be interpreted, and can be swayed by your begging. But to atheists evolution is no more a personal force than gravity, and you don't see anybody praying to gravity when their plane is crashing. Therefore, there is no good reason why atheists would want to advance the cause of evolution through artificial selection than you would want to please gravity by killing birds or something.
7/6/2012 3:35:06 AM
#1420213
Filin De Blanc
"About murder, murder means killing innocent people."
Um, no. It's still illegal to kill bad people.
7/6/2012 3:38:29 AM
#1420216
anevilmeme
"Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution."
By everyone you mean fundie loons such as yourself.
As far as the bit about the clergy being society's leading intellectuals.......
Bwhahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
7/6/2012 3:40:22 AM
#1420246
Blue_J
If asteroid strikes once caused life to advance, why don't evolutionists applaud global warming today? The whole thing is nonsense.
Look! Another fundie who doesn't understand the is-ought problem! You'd think they'd be extinct by now....
if there is no God then they, not clergy, are society's leading intellectuals.
Funny how you here about "scientific consensus" all the time, but not "theological consensus."
7/6/2012 4:39:00 AM
#1420250
Filin De Blanc
It's always interesting the way fundies try to twist "thou shalt not kill" so that it effectively means 'thou shalt not kill unless you really want to".
7/6/2012 4:52:18 AM
#1420266
Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution
"Everyone" meaning "a microscopically small minority", apparently.
If asteroid strikes once caused life to advance, why don't evolutionists applaud global warming today? The whole thing is nonsense.
You're referring to the extinction event that killed off pretty much all the dinosaurs? Which part of "kills of damn near everything" do you think we like about extinction level events? How does everything dying help life to advance?
Just because we accept the existence of evolution doesn't mean we wish to accelerate, change, or alter it's course. We don't thing it's even a "good" thing, really. It's just a thing, like radioactive decay or bacterial flagella.
Scientists love evolution for a simple reason: if there is no God then they, not clergy, are society's leading intellectuals.
Scientists love evolution in the same way I suppose they love any theory which has withstood a barrage of testing and verification: It appears to be correct. They already are society's leading intellectuals, no matter what the Clergy have to say about it. Did a religious institution find the Higgs-Boson? No. Because religion, particularly in the USA, is pretty much anti-intellectual.
About murder, murder means killing innocent people. If God killed someone He knew he was not innocent
That's a mighty fine distinction you've got going on there. Job's wife and children, what exactly did they do to piss God off so much? Or the firstborn sons (even -especially? - infants) of the Egyptians? What had they done apart from be born of the wrong nationality?
Even apart from the fact that you're demonstrably wrong, I've a better definition of murder: Deliberately taking someone else's life. I think, in fact, any other, woolier definition renders you to be a monumental asshat.
7/6/2012 5:35:53 AM
#1420270
Reynardine
Everyone admits fossils are a major problem for scientific development. Whenever superstitious fossils like you take over, we fall back into the Dark Ages.
7/6/2012 5:41:45 AM
#1420274
Mister Spak
"Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution."
Steve says you're full of shit.
7/6/2012 5:47:26 AM
#1420294
agentCDE
"Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution."
Yeah, sure, and air is a major problem for breathing.
7/6/2012 6:18:10 AM
#1420298
dionysuswhy don't evolutionists applaud global warming today?
Even if an asteroid caused more rapid evolution to happen (which it would as there would now be many empty niches), it would kill us and we kind of matter to us.
If God killed someone He knew he was not innocent
How do you know? How do you know your god isn't just some douchebag that kills on a whim and simply CALLS it good. Seriously, if God defines morality then he can send out a plague that kills only children (
hypothetically speaking) and he says that it's good how can you argue? Or worse, if God were to torture you for all eternity despite you following all of his rules just because he felt like it and then said it was good, who are you to argue?
7/6/2012 6:20:22 AM
#1420300
Brendan Rizzo
Do you not understand that only the rabidly religious want to put mankind in danger?
7/6/2012 6:21:08 AM
#1420302
Alencon
Actually, fossils aren't a problem for evolution. As a matter of fact they're pretty strong evidence in favor of evolution.
I hate to break it to you, but scientists are already society's leaqding intellectuals.
7/6/2012 6:23:14 AM
#1420313
Doubting Thomas
Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution.
Everyone? I thought fossils were part of the evidence for evolution. Shows how much I know.
About murder, murder means killing innocent people. If God killed someone He knew he was not innocent,
God killed plenty of innocent people in the Old Testament. Or I'm sure all the babies who died in the global flood were guilty of something. Or when God told his followers to kill everyone in another tribe down to the last man, woman, and child. And dont' forget the story of Job, where God allowed Satan to kill Job's family. Or when God killed every firstborn child in Egypt. God is definitely a murderer.
7/6/2012 6:51:23 AM
#1420318
Berny
I've never heard anyone state fossils are a problem for evolution. If anything they are one more piece of the evidence which make the theory rock solid.
Jewish philosopher is a well known apologist for genocides ordered by his god, so what the fuck would he know about what constitutes murder?
For what it's worth, I've never thought of clergy as society's leading intellectuals. Ever.
The more I read from this idiot, the less I think of him as a "philosopher".
7/6/2012 7:00:47 AM
#1420338
Horsefeathers
"Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution."
I hear they're terrified of genetics, too. It's not like either one actually supports evolution or anything.
"If asteroid strikes once caused life to advance, why don't evolutionists applaud global warming today?"
Asteroid strike =/= Global warming.
How you could possibly confuse the two is something that I'll probably never understand.
"Scientists love evolution for a simple reason: if there is no God then they, not clergy, are society's leading intellectuals."
Clergy have never been "leading intellectuals." That's sort of the whole problem.
"About murder, murder means killing innocent people. If God killed someone He knew he was not innocent,"
Yeah, right. Isn't that convenient.
7/6/2012 7:22:04 AM
#1420345
The Duelist
"Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution."
This, like everything else that comes from jp's mouth, is a lie. The fossil record is the strongest evidence of evolution we know of, outside of genetics and modern biology.
"If asteroid strikes once caused life to advance, why don't evolutionists applaud global warming today? The whole thing is nonsense."
Uh, because smart people (since only retards reject evolution) are not generally suicidal. Duh.
"Scientists love evolution for a simple reason: if there is no God then they, not clergy, are society's leading intellectuals."
Where does evolution claim that god doesn't exist? Oh that's right, it doesn't. It has nothing to say about religion, kinda like gravity, which I guess makes gravity evil. And BTW, scientists have always been society's leading intellectuals; between them and clergy, only scientists have accomplished anything worthwhile, and proven any of their claims, and actually use their intellects instead of mindlessly vacillating in a mire of dogma and superstition.
7/6/2012 7:36:38 AM
#1420353
JSS"Scientists love evolution for a simple reason: if there is no God then they, not clergy, are society's leading intellectuals."
Clergy love creationism for a simple reason: if their beliefs are correct then they, not scientists, are society's leading intellectuals.
And we've seen what happens when clergy become society's 'intellectuals'...
"About murder, murder means killing innocent people. If God killed someone He knew he was not innocent"
Hmmmm. Sounds a lot like 'no true Scotsman' to me. One among the many fallacies you've shown to be in your arsenal.
7/6/2012 7:46:00 AM
#1420354
J. James
What's nonsense is that you think that the fossil record DOESN'T support evolution perfectly, and that scientists should "applaud" mass extinctions.
7/6/2012 7:47:15 AM
#1420355
Naggers
Even if all of the scientists on the planet died, the clergy would not be "society's leading intellectuals." They simply lack anything that qualifies them as such, and I'm not sure why you would think they had those traits. Unless you think one of the traits is "believe ridiculous nonsense for no good reason."
And if God didn't kill the innocent, then the Bible would be a bit shorter.
7/6/2012 7:49:01 AM
#1420374
Raised by Horses
JP's pronouncements remain as simplistic as his thought process is jejune.
I would pay good money to watch him square off against a real philosopher.
7/6/2012 8:20:38 AM
#1420385
fishtank
Why would soomeone..
oh fuck it.
7/6/2012 8:48:31 AM
#1420393
Papabear
"Everyone admits that the fossils are a major problem for evolution."
Patently incorrect as I do not admit that.
"Scientists love evolution for a simple reason: if there is no God then they, not clergy, are society's leading intellectuals."
So, you're implying that the clergy are society's leading intellectuals?! The clergy?!
" If God killed someone He knew he was not innocent,"
So, if someone kills someone you don't like, s/he could claim to be doing God's work and it wouldn't be murder to you, but if I claimed that God told me to kill your best friend that would be murder, right?
7/6/2012 9:23:15 AM
#1420402
werewolf
Who is everyone?
7/6/2012 9:48:30 AM
#1420412
Skyknight
Jewish Philosopher is probably equating "asteroid strike" and "global warming" by way of "guaranteed destruction of the unfit". Despite the idea of "survival of the fittest" not being a matter of a weakness-strength continuum, but rather efficacy at finding food, reproducing, and eluding predation. Each of those requires VERY different capabilities, depending on the biome. What is strength in one biome may well be irrelevance, or weakness, in another. Unless the only biome you recognize is the cosmos as a whole, anyway...
7/6/2012 10:12:48 AM
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