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"if i got my wang cut without my consent, EVERYBODY gets it, or else!!"
7/3/2012 4:08:03 AM
Last time I checked, baby boys won't let you know if they want to be circumcised because they cant speak.
7/3/2012 4:13:29 AM
Most girls will sleep with uncut guys, and they are not tramps.
7/3/2012 4:20:31 AM
Let's back up here. I think it's safe to say that no man would ever actually want to stick his dick under a knife.
Now that that's out of the way, let's admit that there may be practical reasons behind certain biblical rules. Prohibition on pork products, for example, are the result of the fact that, in the arid regions of the middle east and without reasonable refrigeration techniques, it would go bad quickly and people would get sick.
I think circumcision came about for a similar reason: if you spend a lot of time in the desert without underwear, you're bound to get some sand under the foreskin. In those situations, it's probably preferable not to have a foreskin than to deal with nearly constant sand irritation.
I don't believe there are any major deserts in Germany, though. I don't think your argument is that valid.
7/3/2012 4:25:42 AM
How will she know whether the guy is cut or not, until they get naked together?
People should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want with their bodies.
This does not include their children's bodies, though.
7/3/2012 4:27:28 AM
Have fun inbreeding then.
7/3/2012 4:34:47 AM
This is rather tame for a fundie...
7/3/2012 5:05:52 AM
Um...on average, fewer than 10% of European males are circumcised anyway. The ban affected WAY fewer people than you think it does.
Also, I'm still unclear how, in an age when Jewish cultural identity often extends beyond just "I got some skin cut off my nether regions," circumcision is still such a big deal.
7/3/2012 5:06:22 AM
What about lesbians?
7/3/2012 5:21:17 AM
(puts on fundy non-thinking cap)
It's thanks to uncircumcised men that women choose to become lesbians.
7/3/2012 5:24:52 AM
Fuck this guy and fuck judaism.
7/3/2012 5:35:42 AM
If I had a daughter she'd have to know how to check out her dates' dicks before getting busy. I wouldn't want her boyfriends to think she was a tramp.
7/3/2012 5:40:05 AM
Balthazar the Wise
Odd, seeing a Stomfront post in the fundie sec-
Oh wait it's Huffpo, and it's not a white supremacist telling his daughter not to date blacks? Odd...
7/3/2012 5:40:39 AM
You really think that a woman won't sleep with an uncircumcised man unless she's a tramp? If that were true, Christians in the U.S. would be against circumcision. And I really want to know how you're going to teach your daughter to find out whether a guy is cut before sleeping with him.
7/3/2012 5:41:18 AM
If I had a daughter she would be taught, first never to date or marry outside her people
Because our people are better than any other people. We are the master race!
7/3/2012 6:00:12 AM
You know, circumcisions aren't illegal. You just need the person's consent before it happens. If your sons want to get circumcised, they can - as soon as they're old enough to decide for themselves.
No one's rights are being taken away here - in fact they're being protected, more now than ever.
7/3/2012 6:12:52 AM
I hate that fact.
But I agree with the U.S. first amendment. The State has no right to dictate to parents who are trying to do their best by their kids, in the parent's best judgement, no matter how crazy they are. States get crazy too, so we should be very cautious to give them the right to override a parent's best judgement.
Yet I agree that this and other offences are assault.
I would solve the problem by giving the kids the right to sue for assault, with the Statute of Limitations commencing from when the kid reaches the age of majority.
Not perfect, but better than a totalitarian State.
7/3/2012 6:18:17 AM
The venerable Bishop of Joppa
Said "I think circumcision's improper
if the organ is small
but I don't mind at all,
To take off a slice from a whopper"
7/3/2012 6:27:45 AM
@John_in_Oz, I am too. I sometimes wonder what I'm missing in comparison with my uncircumsized brothers. I wonder if this fact is related to the fact that I don't like blowjobs. Those are real negatives. For me, though, there's at least one real positive too, like the fact that I can go for longer and be more pleasing to my partners. Call me an optimist.
7/3/2012 7:27:41 AM
"If he won't make the cut, then he don't make the cut."?
7/3/2012 7:29:18 AM
I've seen a lot on the pros and cons of circumcision and it just seems that the cons out weight the pros. There is another procedure that is less invasive that merely loosens the skin to allow for better hygiene and condoms work better than removal of the easily infected foreskin.
Culturally I'm still against it, just like I'm against female genital mutilation. Mutilating a baby for anything but life saving reasons is wrong. It's their body, let them decide when they are able and not before. I feel the same about everything from ear piercings to operations on inter-sexed babies.
7/3/2012 7:34:55 AM
Also, the original circumcision rite only took away the very tip of the foreskin. Periah, the removal of the ENTIRE foreskin, only really came into being during Hellenization. Reason? It was possible to restore the removed foreskin portion with the original rite, and the Hellenes were rather avid champions of it, on account of their adoration of the unaltered body. And there were a LOT of young Hebrew men who felt pressured to perform the restoration. Periah was a way to make that impossible.
You'd think there'd at LEAST be a movement to return to the original, less-than-periah rite. At the very least, I'm guessing it hasn't picked up much steam yet in the Jewish community.
7/3/2012 7:44:29 AM
Raised by Horses
And the actual health benefits of circumcision are...?
You don't get to answer this one by pointing at your testament. If you put a puerile book of fables before your progeny you've no business being a parent.
7/3/2012 7:53:00 AM
Strip away all the fables as to why circumcision was 'invented', and what you get is it was something that dessert dwellers came up with for hygiene purposes due to water being a rare and precious commodity, and the idiotic notion that bathing was unhealthy.
Clue up, Steve; soap and water are in abundance. We can stop mutilating our baby boys now.
7/3/2012 8:25:40 AM
@Raised by Horses:
There is some evidence that circumcision may reduce the risk of contracting STDs from unprotected sex. Mind you, I'm pretty sure that an adult man can judge by himself whether to have one.
Edit: and apparently it does not reduce the chance of transmitting STDs to the other person.
Re-edit: to quantify, in sub-saharan Africa, with sky-high HIV prevalence rates, 72 circumcisions would prevent an estimated 1 HIV case.
7/3/2012 8:30:07 AM
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