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#1419725
Ebon
You are lying. No mistakes, no quibbles. You are flatly LYING. I believe that's still considered a sin.
7/5/2012 3:40:43 AM
#1419739
Wyzard
You don't think this happens now? Why do you think that there are all these horror stories about health insurance companies?
So, instead of a bunch of hourly employees making these decisions at HealthInsCo some Washington DC panel will make these decisions. Tell me again how the current situation is better?
Working for an insurance company claims department (auto not health) I know how these decisions get made.
7/5/2012 3:51:17 AM
#1419747
D Laurier
HUGE citation needed.
7/5/2012 4:03:07 AM
#1419753
Milza
Of course! A. Doctor is a trustworthy fellow with his some handheld computer device. The presentation I didn't see on the YouTube link that wasn't provided convinced me.
Also, call me skeptical, but I think that a doctor pushing for some quick surgeries is more interested in a walletectomy than the health of their patient.
7/5/2012 4:11:01 AM
#1419756
Cy
Liar!
Although, what you're describing is far closer to your current "healthcare" system. A friend of mine over there has a treatable medical condition; with the treatment, she can live a pretty much normal life. Without it, her health would rapidly decline and she would die. Currently, her treatment is covered under her parents' insurance. As soon as she gets too old to be covered and has to get her own insurance? With her pre-existing condition, there's no way she'd be able to get insurance. The insurance companies will leave her to die because she isn't profitable. Under the new healthcare law, they won't be able to do that any more. She'll get her treatments, and she will live a hopefully long and happy life.
7/5/2012 4:16:27 AM
#1419769
Szena
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Except she probably really believes that crap.
7/5/2012 4:30:26 AM
#1419770
Brendan Rizzo
I can't take it anymore. Where can I catch the next flight out of this country?
7/5/2012 4:31:26 AM
#1419771
OhJohnNo
@Brendan: You know, nothing's stopping you. Canada isn't far from your USA and I hear that's nice.
7/5/2012 4:32:00 AM
#1419779
Anon-e-moose
"I pray that the SCOTUS will declare this unconstitutional"
Well, they haven't. Deal with it.
Now, if only Faux News' unjustifiable right-wing propaganda bullshit could be ruled unconstitutional.
Going against Scripture - Romans 13:1-5 (which includes the SCOTUS) - declares your opposition to Obamacare to be heresy.
Romans 13:1-5. You certainly obeyed it to the letter when your God Emperor Dumbya was president. Therefore by the same token, you have no right to do anything but similarly worship Obama as if he was Lord God Almighty, and that his every word is Holy Writ.
Your own Scripture no less orders you to do so.
@OhJohnNo
"@Brendan: You know, nothing's stopping you. Canada isn't far from your USA and I hear that's nice."
It certainly didn't stop Sarah Failin from (in the past) crossing the border to take advantage of the free socialised healthcare in Canada. And who was the most vociferous critic of Universal Healthcare in the US when Obama first raised the issue for discussion...?
Moral: Hypocrisy.
It's hardwired into the DNA of right-wing Fundamentalist Christians
7/5/2012 4:40:42 AM
#1419800
If all the instructions are coming from a panel in Washington, what the hell is the point of having a doctor?
7/5/2012 5:06:04 AM
#1419809
Mister Spak
You are full of shit. Assuming your doctor really said what you claim he said, he is also full of shit.
7/5/2012 5:18:50 AM
#1419819
nkd
If you love your mother, get her to a different doctor ASAP!
7/5/2012 5:27:08 AM
#1419828
FTR...
Oh yeah, I remember that! It was right before the ghost of Ronald Reagan appeared in the company of Charlton Heston and Christ and explained that every good republican should welcome Obamacare because it was just what this country really needed. Then Jesus spoke up that only people who support Obamacare get into heaven, and Charlton added that our constitutional right to bear arms demanded that those arms be strong and healthy enough to carry them, so Obamacare was absolutely essential to protecting the 2nd ammendment.
Then Reagan started playing "La Cumparsita" on a giant pink harmonica while CH and JC danced a passionate tango while dressed in matching fur bikinis and cowboy boots.
That was some strong s*** I smoked!
7/5/2012 5:37:12 AM
#1419829
Pule Thamex
Maybe you are right when you say the whooshfest will be .. er, soon. So maybe you are right about this and it will be... er, soon too.
7/5/2012 5:39:27 AM
#1419831
shykid
I am an insurance company's worst nightmare. It is impossible to profit off of me, and I will inevitably spend more on care than I pay in, otherwise I wouldn't be able to afford it. I have lupus, major depressive disorder, complex post-traumatic stress disorder, ADHD, asthma, and allergies thrown in for good measure. My meds, doctor visits, lab work, cortisone and belimumab injections, and therapy are about $50,000 a year, with 95% of that being lupus-related treatment. (Lupus ain't cheap.) I also had scoliosis, spinal stenosis, and several compressed discs, as well as partially lupus-related dental problems, but all of that's fixed now. I'm more or less fine—the worst I have to deal with are a few minor lingering mental issues and days when lupus makes my joints stiff and sore, I run a fever, and feel generally kind of shitty, but that's nothing compared to life without treatment. I haven't had a major flare in three years now, and I am able to live a normal and productive life rather than having to be bedridden and on disability. Thanks to having access to quality medical care, you can't even tell I have severe health problems. This is what made me so passionate about universal healthcare and taught me that access to basic medical care is is a human right, not a luxury.
"Socialized medicine" has never turned me down and has treated me better than for-profit insurance. Since my dad was in the army, I've received taxpayer-funded healthcare from the government for most of my life, both through Tricare—the single-payer healthcare system for members of the armed forces and their families, which even includes NHS-like government-owned and funded clinics and hospitals—and through the Canadian single-payer healthcare system (aka "Medicare") since we were stationed up there for a while. People talk about how they wish they had my insurance because I never have to worry about anything.
Here's an example: after we came home from Canada, I had a problem getting my second back surgery in the states. It was because my medical records and paperwork about my back problems were still in Canada, and I had trouble transferring them back to the states. Without my records, I'd have to go and have all the X-Rays/MRI/testing/etc again, but that wasn't Tricare's or Medicare's fault: Regardless of who my insurer was, I could not have gotten a referral to surgery without a re-diagnosis, because my new doctors had no clue what was wrong with my back or what needed to be done without my records. When I called Tricare and explained this situation to them, they offered to pay for me to have the surgery in Canada if Canadian Medicare wouldn't cover it, even though my GP, chiropractor, and a Canadian surgeon were obviously way out of my coverage region. It was much easier to go through same chiropractor I had before for the surgery referral anyway, since she already knew everything. We were already working toward surgery before my dad got an unexpected early release. It hadn't been six months since I left Canada, so I was still covered by Canadian Medicare, and they paid for my surgery and physical rehab/therapy. The only thing they didn't cover were some of my meds, and that was because my dad didn't have supplementary pharmacy insurance up there anymore. Tricare still covered them for me.
On the other hand, before I went back to college, I had healthcare through my employer for a while, so Tricare had stopped covering me. My employer's insurance covered everything for my lupus, but it had 10% coinsurance, which my parents had to pay out of pocket for because I couldn't afford it. Then I broke my nose and needed surgery to fix it. My doctor requested a referral to a plastic surgeon for me to have it done (i.e. for a nose job, albeit not for cosmetic reasons—my nose and septum had to be straightened and some of the internal cartilage removed to fix my snoring, breathing problems, and freakishly loud nostrils). My employer's insurance rejected my doctor's request and considered this procedure not "medically necessary." When I went back to college and was on my dad's Tricare again, I had no problem getting a referral to get this fixed. The army hospital put me on one of those dreaded "waiting lists" that conservatives claim socialized medicine is infamous for. The wait was...a whole three weeks.
Yeah, That's the "horrors" of socialized medicine.
7/5/2012 5:41:13 AM
#1419851
"A doctor", huh? And there's a video of his speech on YouTube?
Care to offer up that link as proof?
7/5/2012 6:16:30 AM
#1419856
Doubting Thomas
Some anonymous doctor said this? And it's not in the health care bill? And you're posting this on Rapture Ready? OK I believe you.
7/5/2012 6:23:05 AM
#1419859
Thinking Allowed
7/5/2012 6:26:29 AM
#1419860
sandchigger
Assuming that we take this obvious bullshit on face value... why would invalidating or repealing the Healthcare Bill stop this horrorshow you're describing? You yourself said that it was part of the Stimulus Bill.
7/5/2012 6:28:26 AM
#1419889
cdcdrr
What is this guy a doctor of anyway? A proctologist?
7/5/2012 7:12:02 AM
#1419890
Horsefeathers
"There was a doctor that spoke about how he testified in front of congress [...]"
You know they keep records of things like that, right? So, name this "doctor" of yours. I would assume that his testimony is public record, so once you name him we can all go read exactly what he said.
"There is a video of his speech on You Tube."
Which you, not surprisingly, don't actually link to.
Why do you people keep making shit up? Isn't there a Commandment against bearing false witness--you know, lying your ass off.
"My mother's doctor told her today that she should have all her surgeries and such that she needs now because after 2014, the door will be closed on those after a certain age."
Except that isn't the case at all, which you should know by now. You should also know that this is the exact same fucking system in place currently where for-profit insurance companies who care more about their bottom line than, you know, whether or not you actually live are deciding whether or not you can have your surgery.
7/5/2012 7:14:39 AM
#1419900
Your mother's doctor told her that because he's an unscrupulous, profiteering git wh wants to pressure her into shelling out lots of money before she realises she probably doesn't have to.
7/5/2012 7:25:33 AM
#1419916
Papabear
Yeah, sure. I believe I smell the acrid odor of burning trousers.
7/5/2012 7:50:47 AM
#1419918
Beltaine
I will share with you another anecdote about socialized medicine in Canada.
My father hadn't filed his taxes in years, hadn't paid his insurance in years, and hadn't been officially working in about 5 years (he had been providing in-home care for his mother), and hadn't seen a doctor in over a decade. He had a number of heart attacks (on the same day) before he finally went into the hospital.
So, he arrived in the hospital in the late morning with no medical records, no doctor, and no insurance.
They did their tests and scans, and were preforming an angioplasty that evening. When he had stabilized, they got him a social worker who helped get all his back taxes in order, backdated his medical insurance payments (there's a sliding scale based on income, and he was at the 100% off level), and basically helped him get his paperwork in order.
When all was said and done, he had an out of pocket bill of a couple hundred dollars for some of his meds and various other supplies.
If he was in the US, he would have been bankrupt or dead.
Edit: My father always _paid_ his taxes, he just never filed. He, like myself, considers taxes the price we pay to live in a civilized society.
7/5/2012 7:51:46 AM
#1419962
7/5/2012 8:41:27 AM
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