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#1417712
Aspergus
How can the church be protected from the state unless it's also the other way around? If we're going to have freedom of religion, then logically we must also have freedom from religion.
6/29/2012 3:14:35 AM
#1417714
Filin De Blanc
"He judged Israel for this very thing, shedding innocent blood."
Um, God commands Israel to shed innocent blood countless times in the Bible. Have you actually read the thing?
6/29/2012 3:18:52 AM
#1417715
Tempus
The first amendment was added to protect people like us from people like you.
Fuck. You.
6/29/2012 3:21:25 AM
#1417718
Philbert McAdamia
How long will the wrath of God be withheld when their blood cries out from the earth?
Dang, but the pro-choice folks have had your puny God by the balls for a long time, and with man's laws, to boot.
Number one issue: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Number one isssue: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD.
6/29/2012 3:28:00 AM
#1417724
Raised by Horses
Now, allow me TO continue capitalizing THINGS at RANdom.
6/29/2012 3:33:52 AM
#1417734
Darkevilme
stop quotemining your own constitution you arsehole.
the full text reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." and it's the first part I want you to pay attention to.
6/29/2012 3:58:15 AM
#1417738
michael3ov
"He judged Israel for this very thing, shedding innocent blood. "
Except when he actually ordered them to slaughter innocents and every one else except a few virgins.
6/29/2012 4:05:32 AM
#1417741
michael3ov
"Remember, the wording says, "Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period!"
No I don't remember. Another case of lying for jesus.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Don't worry about the "making no law respecting an establishment of religion" part. Your ignorant right wing buddies will never notice.
6/29/2012 4:09:21 AM
#1417742
Quantum Mechanic
Fail history much liar?
6/29/2012 4:10:30 AM
#1417743
Mudak
You have a very twisted definition of "freedom" if it means being able to deny others the same freedoms you enjoy.
6/29/2012 4:11:33 AM
#1417758
Leighton Buzzard
"Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period!
I see. So Muslims can marry three wives and set up Sharia courts, yes?
6/29/2012 4:37:58 AM
#1417767
Table Rock
I would say something witty but I'm just not in the mood.
Shut up and stop your whiny, temper tantrum. Then take a Valium and go to bed.
6/29/2012 5:01:23 AM
#1417769
Stonespiral
Sometimes I wish there was a way to simulate the experience, like with a 'The Matrix' hook up, and let these people really experience what a theocracy you have no control over is like. Your sect might not be the ones in control in the end.
I'd also like that system to make them see and feel what back alley abortion was like before Roe v. Wade, and how horrifying things really used to be for women in unfortunate situations.
6/29/2012 5:07:30 AM
#1417786
Reynardine
Stonespiral, back alley abortions are quite what these types like, since they were painful, often fatal, and frequently left those who lived sterile, thus adequately punishing women for having twats and thereby irresistably tempting men to deposit semen in them.
6/29/2012 5:37:03 AM
#1417787
WWWWolf
> Remember, the wording says, "Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period!
No, it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", semicolon.
In other words, they won't hinder your worship, but won't fucking endorse it either. Otherwise, you'd just end up whining because some other church was declared the official Christian state church.
6/29/2012 5:41:34 AM
#1417804
Mister Spak
"The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around. "
No, the first amenedment was put in to protect the state from the church, not the other way around, thus establishing a wall of separation between church and state.
"Our liberties are challenged on a daily basis. What will be attacked next?"
The truth is being attacked in your post.
6/29/2012 6:06:56 AM
#1417808
Doubting ThomasTHERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around.
WRONG! Not only are you wrong, you are totally wrong. You are as wrong as you can be. The First Amendment both protects churches from the government and the government from churches.
Remember, the wording says, "Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion" period!
I guess you forgot about the part which says "respecting an establishment of religion" which proves that you're wrong about not protecting the government from religion. Guess you decided to willfully leave that part out.
Freedom meant that the state would have no control over mankind's worship in America.
Which means that people who don't want to worship are also free to not do so. It doesn't mean that Christians are the only ones with protected rights.
A bogus supreme court case
How can a Supreme Court case be bogus?
we can kill a child for about $350.00
Funny how pro-life people always seem to know the going rate for abortions. I wonder why that is?
http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html
often paid by tax dollars.
Bullshit. Congress passed a law preventing tax dollars to be used to pay for abortions.
He judged Israel for this very thing, shedding innocent blood.
So you admit that God kills innocent people? Why would anyone want to worship such a monster?
Our liberties are challenged on a daily basis.
Yeah, I just read about government agents shutting down churches all over the country and throwing Christians in jail. Er, wait, no I didn't. Look, not allowing you to persecute people you don't like is not religious persecution. Freedom has to work for everyone, not just a select few.
6/29/2012 6:17:02 AM
#1417820
Pup
Didn't the Treaty of Tripoli pretty much clear up and confusion you guys had over the whole establishment clause?
6/29/2012 6:46:01 AM
#1417823
Apatheist
I don't get this line of thinking. I don't think the founders had the idea of a one way membrane between church and state.
6/29/2012 6:48:15 AM
#1417836
Brendan Rizzo
I hate it when they quote-mine the Constitution...
Unfortunately, even the Americans who are not fundies believe this, which is why "In God We Trust" is our national motto, "Under God" is in the pledge of allegiance, and why the Supreme Court does not enforce the Establishment Clause anymore.
6/29/2012 7:15:58 AM
#1417843
Nagol
Maybe you should read ALL of the first amendment before you show the world your stupidity, unless you're lying about it, which is a sin. It clearly states that Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion. Also, a fetus is not a baby. When it's legal to abort it can't feel anything, it hasn't even developed enough to be able to think. Maybe you should get angrier about real children around the world who are abused or go hungry every day. Then you might actually do some good in the world. I should also note that your god has commanded his followers to kill innocents many times in the bible, and he would sometimes do the job himself. The fact that you worship such a sociopath speaks volumes about you.
6/29/2012 7:24:12 AM
#1417844
John
The First Amendment was put in to protect the church FROM the state, never the other way around.
Exactly. It protects your religious beliefs from the government by forbidding the government to favor anyone's religious beliefs - yours or mine.
When will the church of Jesus Christ have enough intestinal fortitude to end these lies?
In a democracy, that's what the voting booth is for. What you want is a theocracy where your particular religious beliefs get put into our civil laws independent of the will of the voters. Reread the first part of your own post.
6/29/2012 7:26:53 AM
#1417869
Noneofyourbusiness
No, it doesn't. It starts "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", which means that religion cannot be part of the national laws.
6/29/2012 8:27:27 AM
#1417870
JSS
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Ah, no. Wrong. Oh, and caps lock doesn't make you anymore correct.
"Congress shall make NO LAWS restricting the free exercise of religion"
Only partially right this time. Let's look at the full text...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Congress is forbidden to promote laws specifically favoring your religion. Funny you should omit that bolded part, then again conveniently omitting parts of our founding documents is typical of religious fascists isn't it?
6/29/2012 8:30:15 AM
#1417901
Berny
If you assholes hate abortion so much than why do you always stand against initiatives to teach sexually active individuals about proper birth control. Abstinence only programs do not work and invariably result in increased teen pregnancies (and more abortions as a result).
You'd have to be an idiot not to make the connection.
6/29/2012 10:40:52 AM
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