And how does that help your piss-poor School system? Do you pray to get more intelligent and educated? Pray harder...
6/28/2012 4:01:31 AM
They still do the Pledge, dumbass.
6/28/2012 4:09:23 AM
..."a failing Public School system that many graduate illiterates."
Oh the irony.
6/28/2012 4:14:10 AM
We have a failing school system because peabrains like you handed it an unfunded mandate, eliminated civics and social studies and music and art, replaced science with creationism and history with Bartonism, dumbed down the textbooks, made teachers teach to the test, and did everything you could to helotize Americans from kindergarten up.
6/28/2012 4:15:15 AM
It isn't liberals who've been laying off teachers for thirty years and cutting their salaries and benefits so low that most of the best and the brightest won't go near those jobs.
And just WTF does prayer in school, or more ridiculous yet, the pledge (which they still say, BTW), have to do with the literacy rate?
6/28/2012 5:05:29 AM
And yet, the rest of the civilised world manages to manage without school prayer and often outstrips you academically as well.
6/28/2012 5:15:33 AM
We should reintroduce the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer a see just what happens.
All hail, mighty Katulu...
Oh, that's not what you meant by prayer.
6/28/2012 5:27:28 AM
Prayer has not been removed from public schools. The only thing that was restricted in 1963 is agents of the states leading prayers and endorsing religion in schools.
If you want to reintroduce state run prayers, let's do an experiment, let's force the children to sit through Muslim prayers, or Hindu prayers. I have a feeling you would throw a huge fit over prayer in school if we did that.
6/28/2012 5:43:16 AM
Rob aka Mediancat
post hoc ergo propter hoc.
6/28/2012 5:44:51 AM
" I believe we should do an experiment to prove who is really wrong. "
We did that already. It's called no child left behind. The result of the con mind set since the oees has resulted in what we have now a failing Public School system that many graduate illiterates. You cons did a fine job with the school system huh?
So now you have your way because education is out of school and all these children think like you do.
6/28/2012 5:53:28 AM
Yeah, because the reason my high school sucked was because we didn't allow prayer...it wasn't because we were working a shoestring budget.
6/28/2012 6:05:32 AM
OK, please tell me how reciting the Pledge or a prayer every day, to the point of it being just rote recitation by the children and them not really knowing what they really mean, is going to help the school system improve? Ever think that if kids want to pray on their own, they can already do so? If kids don't want to pray or be religious, having a daily prayer isn't going to change that. And it won't do squat to improve the schools.
6/28/2012 6:35:39 AM
Or you could teach the kids to think?
6/28/2012 6:40:27 AM
I have a better idea - let's tax based on income and invest more money in our public schools. Boo-hoo, a few CEOs can't afford a private jet but just maybe we can pay good teachers a nice wage. Money beats prayer, moron.
6/28/2012 7:35:28 AM
Prayer was never kicked out of the schools. Students can pray silently to themselves anytime they want as long as they don't disrupt the rest of the class.
As for the Pledge of Allegiance, I'd love to see it reintroduced in it's original form devoid of "under god".
6/28/2012 7:44:59 AM
It's not the removal of school enforced prayer, it's the removal of funding and caps put on how much a school can raise to support themselves. Right wing nut job *conservatives* are right now chipping away at the public school system by trying to defund it completely.
What is with the Right and defunding important and hard won social programs?
6/28/2012 7:53:40 AM
My step-father went to a conservative school in a conservative area and they passed him on through each grade even though they knew he couldn't read. Yeah let's just go back to the 50s! That'll be great!
I'll tell you what would happen if you forced your flag worship and prayer -not a fucking thing except maybe a backlash.
Go visit Mexican schools -a conservative, Catholic, Christian country (far more religious than the US) and tell us how their public school system works.
6/28/2012 8:10:45 AM
We did in the 50s. Pray all you want but try to remember that others will do more. And people can pray but it's not mandatory
6/28/2012 8:28:53 AM
They would still graduate as illiterates. If you want to end the trend you have to teach English, mathematics, biology, chemistry, physics, geography, history, and leave the religious bullshit for church on Sunday.
I would've thought this would be obvious by now.
Look at Japan, they don't teach religion in schools and the kids there regularly outperform American students in every category.
6/28/2012 9:00:23 AM
Fundie Beliefs #31: School Prayer
Prayers are especially effective when recited in unison in public school classrooms. Praying at home before or after school doesn’t have the same effect, which is why it’s important for good Christians to get the public school prayer ban lifted and reinstitute the saying of the Lord’s Prayer*. It’s well known that if Bible-believing Christians force the children of godless, latte-sipping liberals to recite the Protestant "our Father" in unison every morning it’ll teach them not to grow up into queers, vegetarians or Democrats.
* The King James Protestant version, of course. Only a papist leaves out the "for thine is the kingdom …" part.
6/28/2012 9:03:05 AM
Yes, lets go back to before the libs took over in the 60's: That is when the rich paid 90% income tax. Also, minorities we pretty much suppressed from holding any good jobs.
Of course that meant great public schools (for white kids).
And the only way to get back there is to reintroduce the Pledge of Allegiance (I didn't know it went away) and bring back prayer (again, I didn't know you couldn't pray in school).
Something tells me this guy's idea on how to win a war would be something like "go back to the time of using soldiers who carried guns". It's so simple it just might work.
6/28/2012 10:14:19 AM
"We should reintroduce the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer a see just what happens."
We'd have a bunch of superstitious, nationalist illiterates? Is that your brilliant solution?
By the way, don't they still have the Pledge in public schools?
6/28/2012 10:52:53 AM
You libs did a fine job with the school system huh?
Strange, the education level is the highest in the more liberal states. Education is the worst in the Bible Belt. 12th grade high school in the Bible Belt is about the same as 7th grade in Massachusetts.
Go to a Republican rally and start pushing for more money for education: you'll get boo'd off the stage. Conservatives don't want people to become educated. The educated usually end up voting liberal.
6/28/2012 12:15:12 PM
They're failing because you are hellbent on gutting their funding!
6/28/2012 12:44:11 PM
The only reason why we might have a failing public school system is because people like you would rather put all of our tax dollars into defense instead of more important things like education.
6/28/2012 1:54:46 PM