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I'm calling Poe. When a post ends with a "That's why..." statement that makes no sense, it's a dead giveaway.
6/19/2012 3:46:25 PM
You don't get to vote on facts and reality. That's not how education or science works.
6/19/2012 3:53:35 PM
Science has evidence for creationism too.
Science also has ample evidence against Genesis. Are you OK with teaching creationism and then letting the teacher rip Genesis a new one? Of course not. What you want is to teach evolution, then bypass the First Amendment and let some redneck fundamentalist who agrees with the Bible-Belt town majority's religious beliefs have free whacks at it without rebuttal. But the minute some teacher tries to "teach the controversy" by introducing evidence against biblical creationism, you guys will hit the roof and scream "First Amendment", just like you did in Albemarle County, VA, when a bunch of Baptists won the right to proselytize in schools and some Universalist church was then given the same rights as the Baptists.
6/19/2012 4:01:39 PM
Nothing like a little ignorance to start off the afternoon.
How about we let the scientists decide what's science and they've decided evolution is and creationism isn't.
By the way, "Science has evidence for creastionism" is simply not true. All the evidence points toward evolution as far as know. Please describe this "evidence?"
6/19/2012 4:03:25 PM
Creationism vs. Science:
Philip K. Dick: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"
6/19/2012 4:53:43 PM
Wait a second:
Children are not allowed to vote
Children have to be taught
Children have to be taught creationism
If they aren't children anymore the can vote?
Tell me again, who is indoctrinating "the children"?
6/19/2012 5:47:51 PM
If the public were capable of accurately deciding what is and is not good science, we wouldn't need a scientific community. We wouldn't need a scientific method. The fact that democracy doesn't create good science is the reason that the scientific method was born not in Greece or Rome but in the Middle East. (Born of an Arab
, in fact!)
6/19/2012 6:27:22 PM
So if a majority of the public in an area voted to teach that America was founded by Muslims, they would be perfectly fine with that?
6/19/2012 7:24:51 PM
"I never would have learned any of the good theories, like gravity. "
I second the Poe theory.
6/19/2012 8:12:56 PM
Raised by Horses
Why do I get the feeling that some day soon, we will observe the Scopes trial in reverse?
6/19/2012 9:30:46 PM
Because how true something is can be determined by how many people believe it.
6/19/2012 10:32:43 PM
Although Scientific truth is not and cannot be subject to the vagaries of popular acclaim, I fail to see why education can't be. Society makes dozens of choices regarding the subjects and details that are taught in it's schools all the time.
If a people or society does not have the freedom to make mistakes then it does not have real freedom.
If American society chooses, through it's electoral system, to teach Creationism, or Evolution or last Thursdayism to it's children, meh.
At worst, sensible people in America will emigrate to recieve a working education and a better life for their children and America will become a subsistence society occupied by the military might of Haiti.
6/19/2012 11:33:29 PM
Can't vote on facts, dumbass. They're either factual or they're not.
6/20/2012 1:45:53 AM
Unfortunately for you, established scientific facts are not open to debate. You morons can vote to teach alchemy and phrenology in schools as well but it still doesn't change the fact that they are bullshit. The same goes for Creationism. It is religion and teaching it in public schools goes against the Constitution.
Sucks to be wrong, doesn't it?
6/20/2012 8:16:39 AM
There are no theories of creationism. Learn what "theory" means.
6/20/2012 9:11:04 AM
Science isn't about truth, it's about facts.
6/20/2012 3:05:27 PM
Fundies Make Me Sick
The school curriculum isn't voted on, it's decided by the school board (at least I think that's how it works). I have no problem with Creationism being taught as long as it's not taught as scientific fact (because it's not) and as long as Evolution is still taught as well.
I really don't see how this is particularly fundie. I mean, I understand that the idea of accepting Creationism as a literal event is rather outlandish, but this guy seems to just be expressing a personal belief about teaching Creationism in schools. Nothing really crazy and/or hateful in the post.
Although I don't think he understands what the word "theory" means in science.
6/21/2012 7:04:03 AM
OK, then for competing theories, let's expand on that:
Reading: Read out the books normally when asked to read it aloud or babble like an idiot instead.
Mathematics: 1+1=2 or 1+1=52.
Physics: Gravity or intelligent falling.
Sex-ed: Comprehensive sex education or the stork theory (AKA intelligent delivery).
English: Proper pronunciation or idiotic babbling.
I could go on, but I don't see it as being worth the time.
6/21/2012 4:21:20 PM
There is absolutely no scientific evidence for creationism, and teaching it would violate the first amendment to the Constitution. Also, facts aren't determined by the majority. If they were the earth would be the center of the universe and flat.
6/22/2012 10:16:43 AM
Thankfully, facts do not depend on the popular whim.
9/2/2012 12:31:44 PM
Reality is quite fascist, you know. It doesn't really care about what you believe to be true, and you can vote all the laws you want, it won't change its way.
9/28/2012 8:36:05 AM
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