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#1414628
John_in_Oz
Mat Staver Anagramises to 'Matt raves'. Nominative determinism strikes again!
6/19/2012 8:48:49 AM
#1414631
John_in_Oz
6/19/2012 8:55:35 AM
#1414636
Canuovea
Gender isn't the same thing as biological sex. Certain gender theories paint it as a social construct. Women tending towards pink? There was a time when Pink was considered Manly and Blue was considered Feminine.
6/19/2012 9:05:37 AM
#1414651
Osiris
Gender does not mean gender roles. You have completely confused things that our society tells us about gender, as things that are inherent to gender.
6/19/2012 9:37:12 AM
#1414670
Auratwilight
Even if all this trash were true, which it isn't...Abolishing gender is bad because?
6/19/2012 10:43:10 AM
#1414701
Anon
>>Cy
Mat Staver cannot comprehend the difference between "gender" and "gender roles". <<
Apparently not.
And is also apparently unaware of the difference between genotype, phenotype, gender identity, sexual orientation, and gender roles.
It happens that about 99.5% of the population have the XX and XY genotypes; 99-99.8% of the population have conventional female and male phenotypes (depending on the bounds of 'conventional'); and ~99% of people have gender identities that match their phenotypes. So female and male are still useful concepts, but Staver is either unaware of or deliberately ignoring all of the complexity in the biological definition of gender as well as the arbitrary social definition of gender roles.
6/19/2012 12:20:05 PM
#1414725
Papabear
Here's a straight razor. Get started by abolishing your own gender.
6/19/2012 12:49:55 PM
#1414752
John
Nobody wants to abolish gender. But gender, with few exceptions, is only relevant to you when it comes to your own sex life.
6/19/2012 1:59:12 PM
#1414767
Atheissimo
I've played this game before! It's called 'Does not follow'. Great for rainy weekends stuck indoors. My turn!
If you abolish the concept of gender then you undermine morality, if you undermine morality then Jackdaws begin to migrate to Iceland, if Jackdaws migrate to Iceland then Strawberries start tasting like wood, if Strawberries begin tasting like wood then Stevenage Town FC will begin playing in purple, if Stevenage Town FC begin playing in purple then we undermine the very concept of God himself.
16.457 points. I win.
6/19/2012 3:16:15 PM
#1414771
Tatsukun
I just love the idea that the only thing the great and mighty (and former thunder-god)Yaweh fears is Richard Simmons getting a tax deduction for being married.
6/19/2012 3:28:58 PM
#1414787
whatever
"If you abolish the concept of gender you ultimately undermine morality, you ultimately have no morality and norms for men and women or sexual behavior. As Alfred Kinsey ultimately wanted to do, he wanted to undermine morality in marriage. Why? So he could undermine the very concept of God himself."
Good.
6/19/2012 4:13:47 PM
#1414812
Old Viking
You interrupted my coffee break for this?
6/19/2012 7:05:45 PM
#1414834
Raised by Horses
"It’s hard for us to even comprehend that."
I imagine many other things are, as well.
6/19/2012 9:17:00 PM
#1414842
Swede
Why do you need two specific genders to have morality and norms? You can have sexual behavior with only two men, or two women, or seven men and five women, or... well, you get the picture. Sexual behavior is just to have sex, and what's good for one person is unpleasant for another, regardless of gender and sex.
You do know that gender is the social structure of being male or female (or other), right? It's not the body parts but the mind. Sex is the body parts, gender the personality. The SEX is obvious, yes, on most people, at least when they are naked.
Why is it so important to be either male or female? I treat my friends fairly similar, I have male friends who like cooking and plants, and female friends who like cars and computer games. I know women who don't want to become parents and men who are very nurturing, one who's a single parent.
6/19/2012 10:15:20 PM
#1414990
nazani14
Some degree of abolition of gender is A-OK with me. Androgyny rocks.
6/20/2012 9:32:50 AM
#1415043
Noneofyourbusiness
Pointing out that gender is a more complex matter than you think and that sexism is bad =/= abolishing gender. That would be practically impossible, and we leave impossible goals to the fundies.
6/20/2012 2:33:42 PM
#1415068
Pist
He's gonna be pissed when he realizes that his entire argument about gender doesn't really have anything to do with sexual orientation.
Given how little he knows about sexuality, I think it's fair to call him a fucking moron.
6/20/2012 3:45:41 PM
#1415190
Fundies Make Me Sick
The concept of gender is sociological. Gender is not the same as sex (though they often overlap). Homosexuality has nothing to do with gender except in the minds of bigots like yourselves. Neither does morality.
Any associations of gender with either of those things is created by a society who as defined certain rules and boundaries for what is considered masculine and feminine. And those rules need to be thrown out the window because they've caused a lot of problems in western society.
6/21/2012 7:10:41 AM
#1415453
JSS
"...ultimately the abolition of gender."
This same statement could be used circa 1800's to combat women's rights, suffrage and equality.
In short, you really have a faulty argument here. Gay rights are about lessening and eliminating discrimination due to sexual orientation, not imposing a gender-free society.
6/21/2012 7:53:42 PM
#1415682
Nagol
You don't have any idea what morality is, do you?
6/22/2012 10:19:59 AM
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