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Now, that's why the Constitution's a problem. Look at Article III, Section 1, the treason clause--direct quote out of the Bible. You look at Article II, the quote on the President [having] to be native-born--that is Deuteronomy 17:15, verbatim. I mean, look at how many clauses come out [of the Bible]. That drives the secularists nuts, because the Bible is all over [the Constitution]. Now, we as Christians don't tend to recognize that. We think it's a secular document--we've bought into their lies. It's not.

David Barton, Daily Kos 55 Comments [6/16/2012 11:42:43 AM]
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#1413691
Canadiest

The Bible's useless as a democratic (free people state) document. It supports rule by Emporer/king/church dynasties.

And as pointed out, rightfully above: David Barton is a right-wing tool who rewrites (lies about) history constantly to give the appearance of church or Republican agendas as what built the country and made it SOOOO fuckin' great during the 1890s or 1920s or 1950s or when King Reagan, Lionfart ruled or some other ridiculous bullshit the right-wing world likes to pretend ever happened.

Barton actually qoutes founding fathers with words they never wrote, real historians can't find most of Bartons founding father quotes because Barton made them up.

Had America not became a country where news agencies are legally allowed to lie (forth estate gone) Barton would be up on treason charges.

Hey, I'm all for freedom of speech, I just remember when people talking shit (limbaugh, Hannity, Barton, Beck, O'Rieily all of Fox really and hundreds of other liars) had to have disclaimers at every return from commercial breaks.

"This show has a lying idiot recieving payola from billionaires for their evil intrests and should never be believed" That sounds overboard and unlikely only because we never saw todays news/textbook/media services becoming so bought out.

6/16/2012 5:22:42 PM
#1413692
WWWWolf

> Deuteronomy 17:15, verbatim.

Okay, in essence, it's the same. Except it speaks of kings, not presidents. And specifically says the King is chosen by the Lord, in great monarchic tradition of course. So much for democracy.

6/16/2012 5:29:41 PM
#1413705
Wehpudicabok

I'm afraid David Barton is correct. Clearly Obama is ineligible to be President, as well as every President in American history has been; none of them were Israelites.

@Agahnim:

I am so going to start using the phrase "male cattle poo."

6/16/2012 6:08:33 PM
#1413729


treason article 3 section 3.

6/16/2012 9:01:11 PM
#1413730
Ebon

Lying for Jesus, part 147,578

6/16/2012 9:02:11 PM
#1413734
Thinking Allowed

King = chosen by the christian god

President = elected by the citizens of the U.S.A.

Yup, they're the same.

6/16/2012 9:51:55 PM
#1413741
J. James

It's almost sad. Brendan Rizzo has lost the will to live... In America, at least. Look at how fatalistic and depressing his words have gotten. I bet even the reelection of Barack Obama wouldn't even cheer him at this point! I'd bet he'd say something like, "doesn't matter. Obama isn't anywhere near progressive, and his unconstitutional drone strikes are straight out of the dark ages. He sold us out on health care, the debt cieling and taxes! We're the shame of the so-called 'Developed World!' Do you expect me to celebrate not having a catastrophe like Mitt Romney at the cost of having to deal with HIM for another four years!?"

I for one believe we are on the cusp of a new Progressive Era, but maybe I'm just being naïve. Looking at history, things tend to swing back and forth in American politics and for the last decades we've been in a Republican funk.

Regardless, Brendan Rizzo needs to stop being so mopey. If you wanna move to Canada, fine. Be my guest. But your whinging is starting to wear thin, Rizzo!

6/16/2012 10:34:38 PM
#1413745
Doubting Thomas

OK, where does it mention Jesus or God? And too bad about the First Amendment which guarantees freedom of religion FOR EVERYONE.

Oh and BTW, "verbatim" means in exactly the same words, or a word-for-word copy of original text. I don't think it means what you think it means.

6/16/2012 11:08:17 PM
#1413747
Philbert McAdamia

@ LAchlan
the President [having] to be native-born
You mean the guys you originally stole the country from in the first place?

I love it. But look at the mighty stink they're in over a half-black man in the white house. How do you suppose they'd react to giving it all back to the redskins?

6/16/2012 11:14:56 PM
#1413752
Swede

Which version of the Bible is it taken verbatim from? Some of the versions mentions "Israelite" in that verse. Is that word really in the Constitution?

You as Christians ought to recognize it better than anyone, oughtn't you? You certainly know the Bible better than atheists do, right?

6/17/2012 12:44:10 AM
#1413777
Raised by Horses

"Verbatim". You keep using that word.

That aside, I suppose you have a point. I mean, look at all the democratic elections they had back in the bronze ages, especially in the as-yet undiscovered Americas.

Er, never mind.

6/17/2012 4:06:43 AM
#1413782
tranz2deep

@OhJohnNo:

I know everyone ignores me on this, but these assholes are NOT lying for Jesus.

Maybe TO him..

6/17/2012 5:25:09 AM
#1413788
Fundies Make Me Sick

David Barton, if you don't like the Constitution of the United States of America, then you can GET OUT.

6/17/2012 5:50:27 AM
#1413795


The United States Constitution>The Communist Manifesto>The Holy Bible

6/17/2012 6:23:24 AM
#1413797
Szena

So God chooses the rulers? I guess there's no point in fundies voting, then. God will make sure that his chosen ruler is there.

6/17/2012 6:25:12 AM
#1413799
Horsefeathers

You must have a different edition of the Bible than the rest of us, Dave. Either that, or you've printed your own version of the Constitution.

6/17/2012 6:32:30 AM
#1413800
Brendan Rizzo

@ J. James:

How did you DO that? You almost read my mind!

*winking smiley*

6/17/2012 6:32:42 AM
#1413809
The_L

David Barton has not told the truth about U.S. history YET. The only thing he's said that I can think of that isn't a lie is that George Washington was a Christian.

And even that doesn't mean what he thinks it does.

6/17/2012 7:21:02 AM
#1413823
Dr. Shrinker

Article VI states that there will be no religious test to hold public office, officially certifying the US as a secular nation.

Care to tell us which book of the bible THAT article was taken verbatim from?

6/17/2012 8:15:07 AM
#1413824


If David sincerely believes that he failed America. If nplot he's lying.


--freako104

6/17/2012 8:16:40 AM
#1413849
John_in_Oz

Is it nominative determinism that the letters in 'David Barton' rearrange to 'Odd vain brat'?

6/17/2012 10:14:55 AM
#1413876
nazani14

Chris Rodda has a great set of videos debunking Barton on YouTube- she even make US history interesting.
Also, see her book Liars for Jesus.

6/17/2012 12:11:28 PM
#1413922


Are you saying the President of the USA must be a Jew?

I'm more than a little confused here.

6/17/2012 4:28:53 PM
#1413930
Mister Spak

Hey Barton, did you know the constitution says only a wizard is allowed to be president?

Compare Article II section 1 to the Harry Potter books - Dumbledore knows muggles like you can't even tie your own shoes properly without help.

6/17/2012 5:11:09 PM
#1414026
rrpostal

Verbatim? So is this guy ignorant or deceitful?

6/18/2012 5:15:33 AM
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