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#1409549
HermogenesZither
Except that the Declaration of Independence states quite plainly that all men are created equal. Why do you hate America, so-called David Turner?
6/4/2012 3:54:53 AM
#1409552
Brendan Rizzo
More with this "linguistic change is always degradation" idea...
6/4/2012 3:58:55 AM
#1409553
Lizuka
"Gay" is a suitable replacement for "lesbian," dumbass.
6/4/2012 3:59:22 AM
#1409555
Grigori Yefimovich
The original meaning of 'gyrle' is simply 'child' - of either gender. Clearly, dark forces have been at work in applying it only to the female, and you should be ashamed of yourself for using it in the modern, corrupt sense.
Unless, of course, you accept that language changes...
6/4/2012 4:02:44 AM
#1409569
Naggers
They took the word back from being a slur, go fuck yourself
6/4/2012 4:17:54 AM
#1409580
Leighton Buzzard
Cretin. (Look that one up).
6/4/2012 4:30:51 AM
#1409584
Mister Spak
"Does the U S Constitution declare all persons "equal" in all matters? I can't find such equality. "
Fundies: Failing traditional American values every day since 1776.
P.S. See if you can find Jesus, bible or christian in the constitution.
6/4/2012 4:34:25 AM
#1409609
Reynardine
They have always had slang words for that stuff. In Victorian days, those words were "strange" and "earnest". You can use them now with no fear of being misunderstood. "Gay", in my lifetime, meant "merry", while in my parents' lifetime, "queer" meant "peculiar"; whether these words will revert, I don't know, but you may be sure others will crop up, because "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are bulky clinical concoctions; by the time you get through using them, maybe they've brought your dinner. People come up with lots of slang for lots of things, but especially food, sex, money, drunkenness, toilets, jail, and death. You're not going to stop it, so deal with it.
6/4/2012 4:59:40 AM
#1409638
gravematter
One syllable is easier to say than five. "Homosexual" was a mental health diagnosis in the mid-20th Century. Is it really surprising that the term "gay" would be the preferred term? The terms "gay" and "straight" have been used for a long time, originally referring, respectively, to a hedonistic and immoral lifestyle, and a straight-laced and "proper" one. Gradually the meaning of these terms changed, but it wasn't gay people that changed them. They did, however, "reclaim" the word "gay", and sought to remove its negative connotations.
Many words are not mentioned in the US Constitution, eg "crocodiles". Does this mean that the authors didn't approve of them?
6/4/2012 5:54:25 AM
#1409643
ChakatBlackstar
Does the U S Constitution declare all persons "equal" in all matters? I can't find such equality
The 9th and 14th amendments cover that if memory serves. You should have read the constitution more closely.
6/4/2012 6:01:25 AM
#1409654
breakerslion
"My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year." - Robert Frost, Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening.
Oh Noes! Buttseks in the sled!
Get over yourself, David. The Constitution doesn't mention Jocks, Geeks, Nerds, Freaks, Goths, or Mormons either.
6/4/2012 6:29:26 AM
#1409655
chaosof99
9th Amendment:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
14th Amendment:
[No state shall] deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
6/4/2012 6:31:23 AM
#1409671
dionysus
This article uses the word "gay" several times. I have noticed that boys who prefer boys over girls and girls who prefer girls over boys have been successful in getting the public to accept this word into the everyday language of our country.
These people avoid the use of the word "homosexual" as if it were the plague
"Gay" is much easier to say than "homosexual" and being the opportunistic creatures that we are we use the easier word.
6/4/2012 7:02:06 AM
#1409673
Horsefeathers
"I have always wondered about the origin of certain words because I believe words should be descriptive and important."
That's sort of the function of words.
"This article uses the word 'gay' several times. I have noticed that boys who prefer boys over girls and girls who prefer girls over boys have been successful in getting the public to accept this word into the everyday language of our country."
You realize that "gay" was used at least as far back as the early 1900s, right? It had a slightly different meaning, of course, but language tends to evolve with the times.
"These people avoid the use of the word 'homosexual' as if it were the plague but, to my knowledge, have not found an acceptable replacement for the word 'lesbian' in the American vocabulary."
The word "homosexual" is gender independent. Lesbians can also be described as "homosexual," but that would just make finding lesbian porn on the internet more difficult than it needs to be so we just call them "lesbians" instead.
"They have also been successful in replacing the word 'hetrosexual' with the word 'straight'."
You seem to be unfamiliar with this little thing we all like to call "slang" and how it works. While you've got your dictionary out, look it up.
"Does the U S Constitution define marriage or give the 'right' to marry to a certain group of humans? I can't find such a 'right' and Does the U S Constitution declare all persons 'equal' in all matters? I can't find such equality. "
No, it doesn't. Then again, it also doesn't provide "rights" for a great many other things. The Constitution is no the end all, be all, of our legal system, as you may have noticed.
"I am David Turner."
My condolences.
6/4/2012 7:03:43 AM
#1409674
Doubting Thomas
I'm betting David doesn't have a problem with the word "fag" being used to talk about homosexuals.
6/4/2012 7:04:41 AM
#1409685
Papabear
"This article uses the word "gay" several times. I have noticed that boys who prefer boys over girls and girls who prefer girls over boys have been successful in getting the public to accept this word into the everyday language of our country."
What makes you think that use of the word "gay" was solely the work of homosexuals?The same with "straight" and any other use of any other word for that matter.
"I am David Turner."
I can't help that.
6/4/2012 7:35:13 AM
#1409687
Ebon
Loving v. Virginia defines marriage as a "fundamental right" and no, there is nothing so revolutionary about same-sex marriage that it has to say "this includes the queers too". The 14th Amendment also defines equal treatment under the law.
If you do not understand the law, shut up about it.
6/4/2012 7:36:05 AM
#1409688
Mayhem
Hey, how about I change a few words and we can see how this argument sounds from a different perspective.
"I have always wondered about the origin of certain words because I believe words should be descriptive and important.
This article uses the word "African-American" several times. I have noticed that people of dark skin have been successful in getting the public to accept this word into the everyday language of our country.
These people avoid the use of the word "negro" as if it were the plague but, to my knowledge.
They have also been successful in replacing the word "Mexican" with the word "Latino".
I raise the questions because the author of this article is concerned with the words "equal" and "rights" and how they apply or do not apply to those of her different ethnicity.
Does the U S Constitution define race or give the "right" of a certain group of humans to define their race's name? I can't find such a "right" and Does the U S Constitution declare all persons "equal" in all matters? I can't find such equality.
It is important to consider the origin of words and why they are used to replace other words and who or what group started using these 'words' to convey a different meaning. I am David Turner."
6/4/2012 7:37:06 AM
#1409690
Arctic Knight
"Does the U S Constitution declare all persons "equal" in all matters? I can't find such equality."
It's called the equal protection clause. Look it up.
6/4/2012 7:37:18 AM
#1409725
KittyKaboom
@ Reynardine:
"We don't use the term death any more. We prefer the term Hamburger Time."
~Dethklok
6/4/2012 8:21:59 AM
#1409726
Reynardine
In fact, "The Gay Nineties" meant, more or less, "The Profligate Nineties", and a loose-living man was called "a gay dog". That was the other side of the *straight*- laced Victorian world. The word "gay" became confined to homosexuality, then assumed to be inherently profligate, mid-Twentieth Century. My aunt, and many another woman, had the given name of Gay. You can't name a girl that any more. On the other hand, you can once more name boys Ernest.
6/4/2012 8:22:32 AM
#1409739
JGC
With respect to the constitution mandating secular recognition of civl matrimony between parthers of the same gender, the guarantee you're looking is found in the 5th and 14th amendments which vest indivdiuals with the right to substantive due process of law.
6/4/2012 8:49:45 AM
#1409740
QuasiRodent
On reading the comments - I rather like the idea of taking the power out of religious marriages and redefining civil unions as the universal legal standard.
6/4/2012 8:50:17 AM
#1409741
JGC
With respect to the constitution mandating secular recognition of civl matrimony between parthers of the same gender, the guarantee you're looking is found in the 5th and 14th amendments which vest indivdiuals with the right to substantive due process of law.
6/4/2012 8:50:26 AM
#1409750
>These people avoid the use of the word "homosexual" as if it were the plague but, to my knowledge, have not found an acceptable replacement for the word "lesbian" in the American vocabulary.
Hmm... "Homosexual" means "Homosexual of either gender"
"Gay" is used as a shortcut to saying "Homosexual male" while "lesbian" is a shortcut for "homosexual female"
David Turner... failing to consider the origin of words while saying it's important.
6/4/2012 9:10:53 AM
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