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Quote# 87636

(in reply to a query from a Scandinavian about the "extremism" of American atheists)

Theres a few reasons why american atheism is so outwardly hostile and even militant :

1. It has a few key Leader/Gurus who fancy the notoriety of making atheism a quest to stomp out any and all semblences of God especially Christianity ; such Leaders have become popular thru published books to spread secularism and hedonism which are two fundamental tenets of atheism pertaining to lifestyle --- they bash the Christian Faith in order to enjoy and try justifying these tenets.

2. It has taken advantage of freedom of speech laws to preach an unrelentless barrage of hate, vitrol, defiance, and apathy for the Cause. And when it feels resistance from the Christian Community , it fuels the resentment they have toward godliness, Godly values, Godly ideologies, and especially absolute moral laws which are needed for civility of a Nation.

3. It has formed dedicated Associations such as The American Atheist Association which hold many regional conferences, a very large national conference annually, in addition to atheist kids camps to groom young people to be hateful and spiteful . The ultimate motive is to eliminate all forms of religion they see as an affront except of course for their own secular religion of (now defunct) Darwinnian Evolution and continuance toward playing the charade of Naturalism and Materialism as a worldview --- without a shred of scientific evidence and based solely on speculation, opinion, and enormous faith in the incredulous. (IE: World reknown Atheist Scientists calculate atheistic first life appearing at 1 in 10^40,000 th probability giving it every possible chance) . Atheism is a religious FAITH.

4. It feels greatly threatened with the upsurgence of proactive Christians and Theists exposing the many fallacies of atheism as a worldview or lifestyle .... and anything which stands in the way of total autonomous living whereby One makes SELF his/her god ..... is something it finds resentful even though they volitionally started the war first .

Theres other reasons, but suffice it to say, these are the major ones why hostile and militant Atheism has gained popularity in recent years . It will continue to escalate and the fury strengthened as it sees it impossible to squelch the Christian Faith (IE: ' Within 3 decades the Bible will be extinct' --- Atheist Voltaire whos own house in France is now the largest BIble distribution center to the world) .

Glad to hear its not as bad in Scandinavia ...but it is full of excitement here in the U.S. lol

007.5, City-Data 28 Comments [6/4/2012 3:35:34 AM]
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#1409550
Reynardine

DARVO

6/4/2012 3:56:12 AM

#1409564
Kulgur

The reason why atheists in Scandinavia are less militant, is that there's fewer religous fundamentalists trying to take rights away from those people who've dared to be born poor, black, gay, or female. That's the only reason.

We don't NEED to be militant over here.

6/4/2012 4:14:35 AM

#1409566
Brendan Rizzo

Upon reading that, the Scandinavian resumed his or her laughter at America. I'd join in if I weren't American myself, necessitating being ashamed of America instead.

6/4/2012 4:15:37 AM

#1409568


2. It has taken advantage of freedom of speech laws to preach an unrelentless barrage of hate, vitrol, defiance, and apathy for the Cause.

What is Westboro Baptist Church?

6/4/2012 4:17:32 AM

#1409570


2. It has taken advantage of freedom of speech laws to preach an unrelentless barrage of hate, vitrol, defiance, and apathy for the Cause.

What is Westboro Baptist Church?

6/4/2012 4:18:13 AM

#1409577
Often Partisan

Atheism is not the same thing as hedonism. What annoys me is their bloody bang on about this but also talk about the crowns they'll get in heaven. Ah, the true motive is revealed! You think that if you suck up to god hard enough he'll give you nice things...a bit like capitalism really.

"It has taken advantage of freedom of speech laws"

What's the point of freedom of speech laws if you don't USE them?

6/4/2012 4:26:45 AM

#1409596
Mister Spak

It has taken advantage of freedom of speech laws to preach an unrelentless barrage of hate, vitrol, defiance, and apathy for the Cause."



6/4/2012 4:43:21 AM

#1409613
gravematter

American atheists are especially militant because religion holds so much sway in the US, and because atheists are so discriminated against there.

See? That was a lot simpler than your rambling and overly verbiose rant. And it has the benefit of being true, which is another bonus.

6/4/2012 5:10:33 AM

#1409620


Perhaps they're less militant in Scandinavia because they don't have people like you standing on their ovaries or their right to marry an orientaion-appropriate partner.

6/4/2012 5:28:06 AM

#1409639
OhJohnNo

Yes, because we all know putting a little "lol" at the end of a post makes it ALL better.

6/4/2012 5:55:13 AM

#1409661
SpukiKitty

Look, 'Double O Zero', while I find militant anti-theists pretty annoying & fundie myself, I AM NOT GONNA BE AGAINST ATHEISM, YOU MEATWAD!

Some are Atheists. Some are Atheists with a spiritual/metaphysical bent. Some are varying forms of Theism. Some are Agnostic. Does it matter? NO! BECAAAAUUUUUUSSSSEEEEE....

DEEDS...
NOT
CREEDS!!!

You, my Puritan friend, are Antichrist! You are a militant religious freak! You are an idiot & your Demiurge, IMHO, is THE REAL DEVIL! THE REAL SATAN! THE LIAR & FATHER OF LIES!

The so-called "Devil/Lucifer" in the Bible is a good guy! The Demiurgic Bible-God is the REAL EVIL.

The Gnostics were right. I'll take Esoteric & Gnostic forms of Abrahamic Faiths over the mainstream, ANY DAY!

6/4/2012 6:43:03 AM

#1409667
Adey

"It has taken advantage of freedom of speech laws to preach an unrelentless barrage of hate, vitrol, defiance, and apathy for the Cause."

A barrage of APATHY? Apathy? I don't think that word means what you think it does.

I think I'll preach apathy.... no, I don't think I can be bothered.


6/4/2012 6:52:33 AM

#1409684
Doubting Thomas

It has taken advantage of freedom of speech laws to preach an unrelentless barrage of hate, vitrol, defiance, and apathy for the Cause.

I agree totally! Oh wait, you weren't talking about Christianity there, were you?

6/4/2012 7:34:14 AM

#1409698
Frelus

Point 1 is absolute bullshit/ extreme (EXTREME) exaggaration.
Points 2-4 are the definition of a mirror. A very shiny one at that

6/4/2012 7:47:09 AM

#1409699
Ebon

DARVO, as always.

6/4/2012 7:47:26 AM

#1409843
checkmate

popular thru published books

As opposed to unpublished books?

It's really amazing how these people can dig themselves into such a deep hole. Do they really believe what they write? It's all so absurd.

6/4/2012 1:03:09 PM

#1409864
breakerslion

Is that what you learned at Jesus Camp? Then it must be true!

6/4/2012 2:04:56 PM

#1409878
Old Viking

Wake me up when he runs out of breath.

6/4/2012 2:32:09 PM

#1409908
Alencon

They really are good at self-delusion aren't they?

6/4/2012 4:24:05 PM

#1409955
Sasha

I would think that preaching apathy for the cause would be counterproductive.

6/4/2012 8:06:32 PM

#1409958
farpadokly

(Racking my brains to think what an "unrelentless barrage of apathy" would look like).
Real reasons, since this person doesn't really give any reasons, but just basically says "atheists are bad" and leaves it at that:
1, Unusual level of religiosity in the United States.
2, Rise of fundamentalism and the Christian right over the last 30 years or so.
3, Religious interference in politics.
4, Sex scandals in the Catholic and Protestant churches.
5, 9/11 and Islamic terrorism.
In other words, the "extremism" of the American atheist is mostly just a response to the extremism of the American theist, and other types of theist.

6/4/2012 8:17:43 PM

#1409996
Hasher

An unrelenting barrage of apathy?

Eh?

6/5/2012 1:22:35 AM

#1410000
Paler_Face

unrelentless

LOL.A double negative in a single word. It's unrelenting or relentless, but not 'unrelentless'.

unrelentless barrage of (...) apathy

Yeah, just watch those atheists do nothing unrelentlessly at teh TRUE CHRISTIANS!!!


religion of (now defunct) Darwinnian Evolution

FAIL! Evolution is not a religion, and is not defunct. Also, 'Darwinnian'. ROFL.

6/5/2012 2:08:13 AM

#1410004
Swede

1. The only fundamental tenet to atheism is a lack of belief in deities. As to Hedonism; what's wrong with enjoying life? Most people are happy when people around them are happy too, ya know. Very few atheists bash the Christian (or any other) faith, most of us just question the reason behind the beliefs.

2. The hate and vitriol mostly come from religious fundies, and are aimed AT the atheists; nice shiny mirror there, Bubba. The apathy is mostly due to tiredness from having to constantly explain that atheism is nothing more or less than the lack of belief in deities. There are no absolute moral laws, numbskull; sometimes it's deemed wrong to kill (murder), sometimes it's deemed right to kill (death penalty and war)

3. I serously doubt that the national conference of the AAA is very large. Once more; the lack of belief in deities does not make you, or require you to be, hateful and spiteful. The ultimate motive is to be accepted, to not be hated and feared by religious people. Evolution is a science, part of Biology; it has nothing whatsoever to do with atheism. Most religious people in Europe accept ToE along with all the other scientific theories. It simply does not deserve this special attention you fundes focus on it.

4. It feels threatened by the hatred and vitriol coming from religious people, from the news about imprisonment and murder of atheists in theocracies around the world. What "many fallacies" can be found in the simple statement "I lack belief in deities"?

In Sweden (a part of Scandinavia), about 50-85 percent of the population consider itself as "non-religious". Christian people are not discriminated against, hated or feared, but they are seen as a bit back-ward, slow on the uptake. Kind of like a person who refuses to use the internet or wants to bring back black-and-white television.

6/5/2012 3:02:49 AM

#1410085
Raised by Horses

@Hasher

"I have no strong feelings about this one way or the other."

6/5/2012 7:27:32 AM
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