5/21/2012 7:59:43 AM
What the fuck.
This is so batshit it's not even wrong.
5/21/2012 8:08:40 AM
I don't know how to debunk this whargarbble. I don't even understand what they're saying.
While reading this my eyes got more and more squinty and my head tilted further and further to the side in 'WTF'-ness.
But, I can question this:
"What causes gravity has never been isolated."
Mass has never been isolated? What?
5/21/2012 8:19:06 AM
"Not a single ancient galaxies shines with the light frequencies of modern atoms and the differences are often associated with distance (the past). (emphasis added)
So what, if not TIME, is responsible for the changes, genius?
"No one has ever detected a shred of visible evidence for space time nor has anyone isolated or directly detected any gravity."
Title: NASA Announces Results of Epic Space-Time Experiment
Your Title: Epic Fail.
5/21/2012 8:19:34 AM
I think somebody here has been reading some scientific papers and books, has no idea what they really mean and is now spewing half-assed nonsense around. I think he is misunderstanding how the doppler effect works (why light from distant galaxies looks different) and doesn't get the difference between a vacuum and space-time itself.
5/21/2012 8:22:45 AM
What is this guy even talking about?
5/21/2012 8:47:49 AM
nor has anyone isolated or directly detected any gravity.
Apparently you've never dropped anything on your big toe. I moved a refrigerator over the weekend, so I definitely detected gravity then. Luckily I didn't drop it on my toe.
It is much simpler to observe that atoms are always changing their light frequencies and the orbits in countless galaxies continue to accelerate out, billions of galaxies intrinsically growing into huge growth spirals, as the properties of all matter visibly change.
That's just your screen saver. Move your mouse and it will disappear.
5/21/2012 8:48:38 AM
Filin De Blanc
Is he trying to claim gravity doesn't exist?
5/21/2012 8:51:19 AM
You know what's pretty funny godsriddle? The fact that on Wikipedia they have a list of every single astronomical study done that verifies relativity.
@Karana: He's partially right. Of the four forces that hold the universe together, gravity is the lest understood. For example we know that mass is involved in gravity, but for some reason gravity literally has no affect on atoms. It's also the only one of the four forces that has no known particle associated with it.
5/21/2012 8:56:50 AM
*jumps on the spot*
HOLY SHIT, GRAVITY!
Can I has my Nobel prize nao? Apparently I'm the first one to detect gravity.
5/21/2012 9:13:01 AM
After the first two paragraphs, I thought this was Andy Schlafly of Conservapedia with another rant on relativity.
5/21/2012 9:29:43 AM
Phrases such as "the vacuum of space time" and "not a single ancient galaxies shines with the light frequencies of modern atoms" clearly indicate that you have no more understanding of Einstein than a sprig of parsley.
5/21/2012 9:36:59 AM
Not exactly right, there. Gravity does affect individual atoms. It's just that, at those scales, the other forces drown it out. The Strong, Weak, and Electromagnetic forces are all a lot more powerful than Gravity. At larger scales, Strong and Weak have no effect, while opposite charges cancel each other out, making Electromagnetism seem negligible to us as well (with certain really cool exceptions).
It's true, though. Gravity is the oddball in the world of forces. We have no idea what makes it go. There are so many hypotheses out there, each with its own predictions. But what we do know is that it does work and that it follows certain observable rules. Questioning those rules, as Godsriddle is doing, is perfectly okay. But it's damn stupid to assume that the theory is unsound just because the questions exist.
5/21/2012 9:44:38 AM
I honestly thought this was another Conservapedia rant about relativity.
5/21/2012 9:56:03 AM
I... buh... hummina... wha?!
Your pseudo-intellectualism is showing.
5/21/2012 10:07:44 AM
I got up to "huge growth spirals" before I tuned out. I hope the OP knows that Gurren Lagann is just a cartoon...
5/21/2012 10:09:03 AM
"atoms keep on accelerating their light clocks"
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN?!?!?!?
5/21/2012 10:09:51 AM
"Not a single ancient galaxies shines with the light frequencies of modern atoms and the differences are often associated with distance (the past)."
5/21/2012 10:27:14 AM
And Andy Schafly strikes aga-- wait, someone else is spouting this bullshit? Wait, why am I surprised?
5/21/2012 10:46:25 AM
"No one has ever detected a shred of visible evidence for space time..."
Umm... go look at a clock. Seriously. Do the hands move? That's your evidence of time. Does the clock exist somewhere separate from your exact location? There's your space. Put them together, and you've got space time.
By the way, since you've disproven Einstein and Newton, do you mind if I ask you when you won the Nobel Prize in physics?
5/21/2012 11:16:31 AM
First off atoms do not change in the way you described. The only processes that can change an atom are nuclear fusion, fission and radioactive decay. A hydrogen atom to day is exactly the same as a hydrogen atom from 11 billion years ago.
Einstien didn't imagine anything, he arrived at that conclusion based on calculations which have predicted the same results as the experiments to test them gave. Here is but one example that conveniently enough also evidence for space-time: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/04may_epic/
Gravity is a force, not something you could grab a chunk of. We do, in fact, detect gravity. It is actually one of the 4 fundamental forces of nature and it's properties are very well understood.
I assume that for the next part you're talking about the sun. Well, first off, the sun is not static. Newton believed nothing of the sort because the concepts of space-time and the warping of space-time had not been formulated while he was alive. Nobody the sun bends the path of the Earth, it is said that it warps space time, which is something that all matter with mass does. The difference is that the sun is fucking massive and does this a lot more extensively.
Atoms do not have a'light frequency'. The motion of electrons it what emits specific wavelengths of photons. There are many possible electronic transitions in an atom, hence there is more than 1 fringe in the emission spectrum. True the exact cause of gravity has not been isolated, but that doesn't invalidate gravity itself. Atoms do not have a 'light clock' and hence they do not accelerate these. Atoms are well understood and have not been proved to be in violation of any law of physics.
The bullshit emperor is naked.
5/21/2012 11:31:18 AM
I know ten-year-olds who could debunk this inanity. What the fuck is it that makes ignorant cretins confidently spout so much shit in public? And it's not Dunning-Krueger; this idiot must at least have read a book and *tried* to understand it.
5/21/2012 11:40:29 AM
Dude, where's my light clock?
5/21/2012 12:01:13 PM
I could never out-argue Einstein. but I did beat him at croquet once.
5/21/2012 12:27:56 PM
> No one has ever detected a shred of visible evidence for space time nor has anyone isolated or directly detected any gravity.
Just a picture of a galaxy that has another galaxy behind it. Holy shit, why does it do that? Oh yeah, gravity bends spacetime.
5/21/2012 1:15:19 PM