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[This was a letter to the editor regarding Chaim Levin (no relation), an Orthodox Jewish LGBT advocate.]

Evidence Of An Agenda

Chaim Levin’s recent article and appearances on video and Jewish radio provide ample evidence of an agenda far more wide-ranging than merely opposing bullying and reparative therapy.

It’s an exact duplication of the militant homosexual activist playbook: Desensitize society through constant discussion of homosexuality, urges, etc. Create feelings of guilt in others by exaggerated, unsubstantiated claims of Jewish homosexual suicides due to “bullying,” discrimination, etc. Gain public sympathy by using the media, and then solidify gains by forming organizations like Jewish Queer Youth.

Rashi (Devarim 25:18) describes Hashem’s eternal enemy, Amalek, as practitioners of homosexuality. Rambam rules that one who is tempted to sin disguise himself, sin secretly and act the hypocrite in public so as not to desensitize society to sin. Urging youth to join in a group that identifies itself with Amalek-type behavior reinforces negative self-identification and more often than not results in sinful misbehavior.

Imagine a Jewish adulterers’ Shabbaton, an “intimacy for the under-aged” shul or an adult incest organization forming a minyan. How about articles by and organizations of mamzeirim who demand sympathy and change because Jews are halachically forbidden to marry them? These are all spiritual oxymorons and would constitute a fifth column in the Torah community.

I have tremendous sympathy for those challenged by temptations and unkosher desires. As you do with cancer, you never stop trying to find a better treatment to cure yourself. If all therapies fail, as a last resort you use chemicals to stop the urge to act in a forbidden manner. (This resolution is ordered by European courts for offenders and it works.) Unpleasant, surely; but better than committing adultery, homosexuality or incest.

Rabbi Yehuda Levin, The Jewish Press 36 Comments [5/17/2012 3:48:56 AM]
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#1404141
Extraintrovert

"It’s an exact duplication of the militant homosexual activist playbook:"
Militant. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

"exaggerated, unsubstantiated claims of Jewish homosexual suicides due to “bullying,” discrimination, etc"
Go fuck yourself. Bullying-induced suicides are very real, especially for people who already feel persecuted.

"Rashi (Devarim 25:18) describes Hashem’s eternal enemy, Amalek, as practitioners of homosexuality."
And if your holy book had any relevance to reality, that would mean something.

"an “intimacy for the under-aged” shul"
Non-heterosexuals =/= child rapists. It is not that difficult to understand.

"If all therapies fail, as a last resort you use chemicals to stop the urge to act in a forbidden manner."
That's what was done to Alan Turing as a reward for his part in ending World War II. He killed himself soon afterward. Just so you know.

It's one thing to be part of a group that has victimised and oppressed minorities for centuries and is just continuing that pattern. But it takes a special type of evil to be part of a group that has suffered that treatment for millennia, then use what small power that group has gained to victimise and oppress another marginalised group. As I former Jew, I am telling Rabbi Levin that while you are not the worst kind of scum, you are very close to it.

5/17/2012 3:59:33 AM

#1404149
OhJohnNo

You cuntshit.

5/17/2012 4:23:42 AM

#1404151
Leighton Buzzard

It ill becomes a Jew to start accusing another group of orchestrating an evil worldwide conspiracy, given how often Jews have been accused of the same. You know it's not true for you; why think it would be true for somebody else?

And yes, if I was born out of wedlock and was denied marriage by a frummer, I'd demand sympathy and change, alright.

Note also that Torah has a very specific penalty for adultery, and it isn't chemicals. Why so inconsistent, Rebbe?

5/17/2012 4:28:34 AM

#1404158
Brendan Rizzo

If the fundies would stop talking about the gays, the issue would die down.

Also, it surprises me to hear of a pro-gay rights Orthodox Jew. I thought they were the really conservative ones.

5/17/2012 4:43:48 AM

#1404173
Mister Spak

What's the point of all this? You're not a christian so you're inevitably going to hell. All of your jabbering won't change this.

5/17/2012 5:21:14 AM

#1404189
BadSamaritan

A two-fer. FSTDT and RSTDT all rolled up into one. There should be bonus points for this level of stupidity.

5/17/2012 6:03:39 AM

#1404193
Horsefeathers

"I have tremendous sympathy for those challenged by temptations and unkosher desires."

Speaking from experience, are ya?

As for the rest of it, you're not a well man, Rabbi. Get some help.

5/17/2012 6:31:09 AM

#1404199
fishtank

and chemical castration has been outlawed for a while now.

5/17/2012 6:55:51 AM

#1404206
Dr.Shrinker

"I have tremendous sympathy for those challenged by temptations and unkosher desires."


Insincere drivel like that makes my flesh crawl. Your screed reflects disgust, contempt and condescension, but not sympathy. At least Fred Phelps has the balls to be honest about his hatred.

Yeah, you read that right rabbi. I'm saying that Fred Phelps is better than you!

5/17/2012 7:21:06 AM

#1404207
John

To distill his rambling down, he's basically claiming that Chaim Levin doesn't just oppose bullying and support reparative therapy. He opposes bullying and supports reparative therapy.

Rabbi Levin's chemical sterilization "solution" would have warmed the heart of Rudolph Höss:

"From time to time we conducted medical experiments on women inmates, including sterilization and experiments relating to cancer. Most of the people who died under these experiments had been already condemned to death by the Gestapo" (Rudolph Höss's testimony at the Post-War trials of Major War Criminals held at Nuremburg, 1946)

5/17/2012 7:24:50 AM

#1404210
Mayhem

How about you shove a menorah up your ass. Candle-end first.

5/17/2012 7:26:19 AM

#1404217
Doubting Thomas

If you can't come up with a valid, non-religious objection to homosexuality, then just shut the fuck up.

5/17/2012 7:31:49 AM

#1404225
WWWWolf

> Rashi (Devarim 25:18) describes Hashem’s eternal enemy, Amalek, as practitioners of homosexuality.

That's, uh, Deuteronomy, right?

"Remember what Amalek did to you by the way as you came forth out of Egypt; how he met you by the way, and struck the hindmost of you, all who were feeble behind you, when you were faint and weary; and he didn't fear God." (25:17-18)

...I don't get it. Where does the homosexuality come from? Last I checked, surprise rear attacks were a time-honoured military technique.

5/17/2012 7:39:06 AM

#1404226
Thinking Allowed

*source* http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_mental_health.HTML

In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified.

5/17/2012 7:40:13 AM

#1404237


Eat lead, rabbi!

5/17/2012 7:51:33 AM

#1404262
breakerslion

Or we could just start an organization that would deprogram these poor conflicted humans from your insane, guilt-inducing, misogynistic, control-freak beliefs. That would have the added benefit of causing you to burst a blood vessel while you were screaming, "Discrimination!" and "Persecution!"

Need glasses? Don't touch the Torah, cherry-picker!

5/17/2012 8:47:45 AM

#1404265
Berny

Homosexuality is not something that needs a cure.
Rabbi Levin is a bigot.

5/17/2012 9:04:04 AM

#1404277
shykid

Twofer very heavily bordering on a Trifecta. I'd call Trifecta if the fundie weren't Jewish himself.

5/17/2012 10:26:44 AM

#1404283
nazani14

The militant religious playbook: Desensitize society through constant discussion of imaginary friends, "blessing" people, etc. Create feelings of guilt in others by exaggerated, unsubstantiated taboos. Gain public sympathy by loudly advertising your nominal charities while raking in money and buying political influence.

5/17/2012 10:50:29 AM

#1404322
Ahad Ha-am

You know, we Jews have always prided ourselves on our ingrained compassionate values. Why this, all of a sudden? Why are we suddenly becoming fundie? Every time I read something like this (by a Jew) I get a bad taste in my mouth.

This is not Yiddishkeit, it's not Judaism.

5/17/2012 12:41:23 PM

#1404326
Papabear

As a wild-eyed liberal, I think everyone should be allowed to have sex with anyone and/or anything which has given informed consent. That includes adultery (almost always a bad idea, but should be one's right,) homosexuality and/or adult incest (again, probably a bad idea, but one's right nonetheless.) I defend the rabbi's right to believe in nonsense, but he should butt out of regulating the lives of others.

5/17/2012 1:02:28 PM

#1404337
Catgirl_Fetish

I can't take this anymore. It never ends, it just goes on and on forever and it never fucking stops. Why can't you you just leave us alone? Why can't you leave us alone, you miserable piece of shit?!! WHY?!

*Sobs quietly in a corner*

5/17/2012 1:20:28 PM

#1404339
Mech610

Earlier this month I posted that the only group of people I tend to hate across the board are the Orthodoxy of my own people. Looking back it was as disgusting and pig headed as many of the Fundies and Racists we tend to see here on this site. Mr. Chaim Levin and his pro-equality sentiments have shown me the error of my ways.

I apologize for my earlier comment if it offended anyone here, or if anyone noticed it and thought I was a jerk.

P.S. Rabbi Yehuda on the other hand is a tremendous dick who needs to get off his pedestal.

Edit: @Ahad Ha-am, you and me both brother, you and me both.

5/17/2012 1:23:25 PM

#1404341
Filin De Blanc

"Desensitize society through constant discussion of homosexuality, urges,"

Yes, Rabbi, you and your ilk really ought to stop doing that.

5/17/2012 1:26:30 PM

#1404342
D Laurier

Rabbi Levin...
If I want to eat shrimp, I'm going to eat shrimp.
if I want to trim my beard, I'm going to trim my beard.
If a white girl wants to ride my willy, I'm there.
If that white girl happens to worship your desert blood god... you have nothing to say about it.

5/17/2012 1:27:58 PM
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