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#1403588
TheLastCenturion
the date marker was changed several centuries after the supposed birth of the supposed son of the supposed god. the year "0" is essentailly an arbitrary date marker. personally, i would prefer to date things to the day julius casar was murdered. 15th of march, 44 BC. its significant, and is actually a known date. also there is no year 0. year 1 starts the day after the last day of year 1 BC.
5/15/2012 3:11:06 PM
#1403593
whoanelly
Hey, how do YOU know God's plans? Him being an omniscient deity and you being just a lowly mouth breather.
And yes, we would see a guy named Jesus. We'd see a LOT of guys named Jesus. Jesus, or Yeshua, was a very common name back then.
5/15/2012 3:17:40 PM
#1403598
Adrian
Reminds me of a scenario for
In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas (a very tongue-in-cheek French role-playing game where angels, demons and other supernatural creatures are fighting a secret Cold War on Earth) where, when tasked with guarding a time machine, two angelic grunts in the service of an archangel commonly associated with skinheads and soccer hooligans decide to use said machine to go and prevent the crucifixion of Jesus. The players have to make sure that history follows its proper course, otherwise the two angelic morons rapidly rapidly get so infuriated by the smelly, exasperating Jewish hippie that they end up volunteering to execute him themselves, and he stinks so much of goats that they decide to do it by drowning him in a tub, leading to a major theological mess. :P
5/15/2012 3:33:46 PM
#1403599
Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis
Assuming Jesus actually existed, God making him disappear would actually change the continuity of time and space and in consequence change the future.
5/15/2012 3:34:13 PM
#1403602
The_L
The vast majority of that post is stupid and goes directly against every motive that the gospels attribute to Jesus.
The last paragraph makes me grin though. Of course there wasn't a year 0!
5/15/2012 3:35:59 PM
#1403613
rageaholic
*facepalm*
Just goes to show you that they'll go to any length to make excuses for the lack of evidence supporting Christianity.
And they say non believers are the ones making excuses?!!
5/15/2012 3:45:59 PM
#1403634
whoanelly
Hey, how do YOU know God's plans? Him being an omniscient deity and you being just a lowly mouth breather.
And yes, we would see a guy named Jesus. We'd see a LOT of guys named Jesus. Jesus, or Yeshua, was a very common name back then.
5/15/2012 4:38:49 PM
#1403659
"I cringe when I watch Back to the Future and watch Christopher Lloyd in the beginning say, "Or witness the birth of Christ!" and he sets the date to December 25, 0000."
I cringe too Self-Mutation though for completely different reasons.
1) There's no such year as 0000.
2) Jesus [if he existed at all] was born in the middle of summer, not winter.
5/15/2012 6:13:33 PM
#1403663
Renon
Even if that were true (which it wouldn't be), there's a fundamental problem here.
Allowing fundies to time travel will only have negative effects on the proper flow of temporal causality.
You'd make the dark ages last another 1000 years, you'd go around telling people to believe in Jayzus even if he didn't exist. Hell, give fundies time travel, and they'll INVENT their religion!
5/15/2012 6:25:50 PM
#1403664
checkmate
From a historical perspective it's more than probable that the person Jesus existed. There's no real reason to doubt that. Quite the opposite.
However, being a man named Jesus and being the Christ are two totally different things.
From the Christian perspective, Jesus was true man and true god, so why would God (father) hide the historical true man Jesus from time travelers? That doesn't make sense. It would contradict the christian true man/true God duality.
Now, if God were to hide the divine aspects of Jesus from time travelers, as Self-Mutation proposes, that would lead to a very interesting situation. One would go back in time and experience Jesus as a totally normal Joe-Blow. That would be very counter-productive for the Doubting Thomas effect.
5/15/2012 6:25:54 PM
#1403705
Osiris
If Jesus was invisible the whole time, then how could he interact with all those people he interacted with in the New Testament. If I were to go to Galilee and see that there is a myriad of people getting fed with bread and fish, would I somehow not be able to see the man doing it? What if I went to the day of he was crucified, would I just see Longinus sticking a spear up into thin air?
The one thing atheists would want to see in order to become believers and God would still deny us this, simply because blind gullibility is the only criteria he cares for.
By the way I also cringe when Doc Brown sets the time machine to December 25, 0 AD, but not for the reasons that you think.
5/15/2012 8:19:45 PM
#1403721
Tasukun
Wait, didn't these fools pretend their Jebuz was born in April for a few hundred years until they suddenly decided that they wanted to try to take over Yule? So, what about April 0 AD? Oh, wait, it's all still made up. Never mind.
5/15/2012 9:15:41 PM
#1403811
Pule Thamex
As Self-Mutation very well knows, no amount of scientific endeavour will ever be enough to find Jesus in the past, the present or the future. Unless one day a method is found that enables explorers to risk a journey into the convoluted and forbidding alien mindscape inside Self-Mutation's head.
There, safe from the intrusion of nosy time travellers, may Jesus be found happily ensconced, reminiscing with Dad/Himself about the good old days, past triumphs and genocides and stuff. And about how Self-Mutation is going to Heaven.
5/16/2012 2:26:03 AM
#1403833
Pup
I think you're taking BttF way too seriously if you think that's the only problem with it. :p
5/16/2012 3:18:17 AM
#1403856
Ebon
So your god has nothing better to do than fuck with time travelers?
5/16/2012 4:12:24 AM
#1403896
OMG Invisible Pink Unicorn = Jesus?
Mind=Blown.
Seriously though, when we can time travel, we will see that Jesus DID NOT EXIST. You saying that he'd remove Jesus from time is fallacious, seeing as how that would ALTER HISTORY, unless he... NEVER EXISTED TO BEGIN WITH. Dumbass.
5/16/2012 6:05:22 AM
#1403901
A White Dude With AIDS
I have bad news for you who don't believe in Lunos. Even if we invented a rocket to inspect the moon entirely, the most popular place to go would be the dark side to view Lunos's awesome glory. We would not see Lunos though. Why? I'm glad you asked.
We wouldn't see Lunos the Almighty because Lunos would obviously know about what we are doing and would not allow every human being to witness him in his full glory. Remember I said that stuff was a one time deal?
So an non-Lunosist going to the moon and saying, "Aha! No Lunos!" would mean absolutely nothing. Of course he's not going to be there. Lunos isn't stupid.
So even with space travel, non-Lunosists still would not "get their proof."
I cringe when I watch the moon landing and watch Armstrong step on the moon. I always facepalm that.
5/16/2012 6:14:16 AM
#1404046
myheadhurts
god may not be stupid, but some of his followers sure are
5/16/2012 4:20:18 PM
#1404076
\m/>_<\m/
wow, rationalwiki wasn't lying when they talked about creationist escape hatches!
5/16/2012 7:13:58 PM
#1404110
aaa
Satire is dead.
5/17/2012 1:52:48 AM
#1404781
NonProphet
Wait.
Is Self-Mutation actually writing Jesus fan-fiction, now?
5/19/2012 3:12:17 AM
#1408632
Saringuy
and this is why religion is infalsifiable.
5/31/2012 9:06:51 AM
#1408685
Blue the Thief
5/31/2012 2:24:58 PM
#1464436
Funny, I don't remember time travel being mentioned in the bable
11/2/2012 5:06:07 AM
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