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(Explaining why he thinks time travel could not be used to prove God's existence or nonexistence)

And if he travels a neuron [sic] through time, then good for him.

but I have bad news for atheists. Even if we invented time travel, the most popular place to go would be Jerusalem circa 1 B.C. and watch Jesus' whole life from birth to death. We would not see Jesus though. Why? I'm glad you asked.

We wouldn't see Him because God would obviously know about what we are doing and He's not going to allow every human being to witness all the miracles first hand. Remember I said that stuff was a one time deal?

So an atheist going back in time and saying, "Aha! No Jesus!" would mean absolutely nothing. Of course He's not going to be there. God isn't stupid.

So even with time travel, atheists still would not "get their proof."

I cringe when I watch Back to the Future and watch Christopher Lloyd in the beginning say, "Or witness the birth of Christ!" and he sets the date to December 25, 0000. I always facepalm that.

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#1403317

Jeff Weskamp

I cringe when I watch Back to the Future and watch Christopher Lloyd in the beginning say, "Or witness the birth of Christ!" and he sets the date to December 25, 0000. I always facepalm that.

The joke being, of course, that there is no Year 0000. Our calendar's count of years goes straight from 1 BCE to 1 CE.

Another part of the joke's humor comes from the fact that most Christian scholars date Jesus's birth at 4 BCE.

5/15/2012 6:57:06 AM

#1403342

JSS

I have bad news for Santa Claus deniers. Even if they took a plane trip over the north pole, they would never see Santa Claus or even his own residence.

Obviously the man that sees you when you're sleeping and knows when you're awake would be smart enough to know when someone was trying to spot him. So, Santa Claus would make himself invisible, leaving no trace of evidence.

In addition, on Christmas eve Santa Claus would make his sleigh and reindeer invisible to anyone who would try and spot him. This is a guy who knows if you've been bad or good so you can't outsmart him. Don't think you'll catch him in your house either. As I've said before, he knows when you're sleeping, and only when you're asleep on Christmas eve will he visit, moving quieter than a mouse so he can't wake you up.

Every time I hear some 'scientist' point out that Santa would have to travel faster than the speed of sound in order to visit every house in the world in one night, I merely cringe and facepalm at their stupidity. Sorry Santa Claus atheists! Ol' Saint Nick is smarter than you think!

5/15/2012 7:32:07 AM

#1403352

The Duelist

So Christinsanity (and yes, that's my intended spelling for the Jewish Lich Cult) is unfalsifiable, and therefore puerile bullshit. Thanks for admitting it.

5/15/2012 7:58:33 AM

#1403363

John

Of course He's not going to be there. God isn't stupid.

So God wants you to believe in Jesus and will torture you forever if you don't, but deliberately interferes with all attempts to verify the claim? That sounds pretty stupid, or at least sadistic, to me. It also contradicts the incident of "Doubting Thomas".

5/15/2012 8:14:13 AM

#1403367

Mayhem

So, your god's answer to time travel would be mass sensory deprivation, as opposed to simply making time travel not possible in the first place. Sounds like a bad Doctor Doom plot.

5/15/2012 8:19:48 AM

#1403369

rubber chicken

So we'd see some teenage palestinian chick in a stable with just a bad case of wind ?
A bunch of people sitting around for no reason eating fish sandwiches ?
A couple of Roman soldiers practicing carpentry ?

5/15/2012 8:21:35 AM

#1403373

Raised by Horses

Exactly! Why would God be stupid enough to leave around evidence that would otherwise convince die-hard atheists of His existence?

In this person's mind, the above statement can make sense.

5/15/2012 8:26:04 AM

#1403379

Thinking Allowed

There was a book written by Michael Moorcock (though I don't remember the title at the moment) where a guy did travel back in time to Jerusalem. The messiah was a developmentally disabled man with a harlot for a mother. In the end, the main character ended up taking the place of the biblical Jesus.

So my question is, how many christians would deconvert?

5/15/2012 8:38:23 AM

#1403391

SaneChick

A rather creative way to explain your total lack of proof. (Although I think it's entirely possible a person named "Jesus" lived at that time and was thought to be a Jewish prophet.)

I think you're rather more worried that people would go back, see a rather nice man who practiced his father's trade, got a bit mad through lack of dehydration while wandering through the desert, and then was unfortunately nailed to a tree, because pre-modern mental health care was sorely lacking and people tended to be fairly brutal to non-tribe members.

5/15/2012 8:59:22 AM

#1403397

Berny

Essentially, what you're saying is that there is no evidence of you man-god ever existing, even if we were to find the means to view the past, your stories would remain fairy tales because god wants it that way.
How convenient for your delusion.

5/15/2012 9:04:10 AM

#1403411

dfmfundies

@ Thinking Allowed:

There was a book written by Michael Moorcock (though I don't remember the title at the moment) where a guy did travel back in time to Jerusalem. The messiah was a developmentally disabled man with a harlot for a mother. In the end, the main character ended up taking the place of the biblical Jesus.

"Behold The Man"

5/15/2012 9:48:05 AM

#1403440

Ludd

SPECIAL PLEADING? WHAT SPECIAL PLEADING?

5/15/2012 10:56:14 AM

#1403447

Papabear

I'm almost willing to pay real money for this guy to shut up and go away.

5/15/2012 11:05:29 AM

#1403455

There was a sci-fi novel about this idea once. Time travel was invented, and points in history became popular tourist destinations. One guy saves up all his money and finally gets to go to the event he's always wanted to see - the moment the Christian church became a thing, at Jesus' crucifiction. So off he goes, and throughout the course of the... proceedings, he notices the chap next to him wearing a digital watch. And then a dude a bit over the way wearing trainers. And another, and another, until it transpires that the whole of the crowd is in fact time travellers from the future, and the only reason Christianity is a thing at all is because of all the people coming back to visit, for whom its already a thing. Its beautiful.

5/15/2012 11:17:23 AM

#1403485

Even if we invented time travel, the most popular place to go would be Jerusalem circa 1 B.C.

Meh, I would want to go back to the time when God created Adam and Eve. Then I could use a fake, remote-operated snake to trick them into pissing God off. Hmm, and maybe once they are banished from heaven, I could seduce Eve, using my 21st century suave, and a box of Chocolates :P. I mean just imagine the biological advantage from an evolutionary point of view. Then I would come back and "humbly" except the rule of planet earth, as DNA testing proves that all living humans are my genetic descendants. Heck, even Christians, Jews and Muslims would have to except me as the return of their much prophesized Messiah (especially after they find my likeness engraved on rocks found buried under their holiest shrines *wink wink*).

We would not see Jesus though. Why?

Because there never was a Jesus? It would be actually funny if we went back and found out that the name of the guy was Judas, and Jesus was the asshole who betrayed him. Err vatican, we have a problem...

He's not going to allow every human being to witness all the miracles first hand.

God: WORSHIP ME!
Moses: I will, but you have to show yourself.
God: ...
Moses: Oh c'mon, pretty pleeeease?
God: Well, you can hear me, isn't that enough?
Moses: Pfft stupid, seeing is believing, not hearing.
God: Okay, okay, but only this ONE TIME, and maybe just once more some time later.
Moses: What? When? WHO? Are you seeing someone else? Don't lie to me!
God: No, no, it's not like that, I have to pretend to get tortured and killed later, so I could guilt-trip millions of gullible people.
Moses: Ooo... would there be leather straps and whips? Can I go too? C'mooon...
God: No, it's a different deal, you won't really like it.
Moses: *pouting* Phooey, I don't get to have any fun at all!
God: Now, now, there's still that "Egyptian baby slaughter" to look forward to.

5/15/2012 12:02:18 PM

#1403488

checkmate

Of course He's not going to be there. God isn't stupid.

But I bet he'd tease us by writing "Jesus was here" on lots of walls.

But why go watch Jesus? What a waste of time. If I could take one time journey, I'd want to go to Leipzig in Germany, sometime around 1725. I'd lock myself in the Thomaskirche and listen to J. S. Bach improvise on the organ. That beats Jesus any day of the week.

5/15/2012 12:10:04 PM

#1403490

breakerslion

If "we" invented time travel, there would be a rush to see who could be first to go back and bludgeon Self-Mutilation's father to death before the goober could impregnate his wife.

5/15/2012 12:10:51 PM

#1403502

Old Viking

Personally I'm thinking along the lines of a rambunctious Roman orgy.

5/15/2012 12:33:13 PM

#1403511

DarkfireTaimatsu

Pssh, I'm pretty sure the most popular time travel destination involves dinosaurs.

5/15/2012 12:44:06 PM

#1403526

Alessia

Time travel to the past isn't even physically possible...

5/15/2012 1:44:01 PM

#1403537

Agahnim

"We would not see Jesus though."

Honest fundie, I see.

5/15/2012 1:59:46 PM

#1403552

ScrappyB

@ Mudak

Not outside of the realm of possibility. There are two situations I can think of where someone would take a pic of an empty yard.

My mom is a gardener. She takes pictures of her yard all the time. Seriously, she must have hundreds of pictures of grass and flowers and fences with no people anywhere.

Back in the film days, you needed to shoot a whole roll of film before you could open the camera and get the film out to be developed. So say your film had 24 exposures and you had 20 pictures of your vacation you wanted to get developed right away to show friends. You would take pictures of just about anything to use up the roll.

5/15/2012 2:14:47 PM

#1403563

I was going to write something but fuck it. I can't think of anything to respond to this nonsense with.

5/15/2012 2:25:30 PM

#1403579

Ron

Thats what I was thinking Reynardine. This poster sort of guesses that a time traveller will find no Jesus and is already making excuses.

It shows that even with conclusive evidence shoved into their faces (ie: Look - no Jesus) that they will still hand wave the evidence away.

5/15/2012 2:59:24 PM

#1403587

TheJebusFire

So your god wants you to wallow in ignorance?

5/15/2012 3:08:27 PM

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