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#1402917
JSS
@tracer:
Okay, fine. Biology classification error on my part. My overall message is still conveyed though.
5/14/2012 4:18:20 PM
#1402930
Alencon
Gender equality doesn't mean, and never has meant, equal in all things including physical capabilities.
It simply means equality under the law. The same legal rights including the right to care for yourself and equal pay for equal work.
Females, on average, will never match males physically nor has anyone ever said they do, will or should.
The reason most leaders are men and most billionaires are men is females often give up 15-20 of their most productive years doing the single most important thing in the world, being mothers.
How many men are mothers?
5/14/2012 4:42:53 PM
#1402968
Psycho Tits
I'll make this really simple - extreme, I admit, but brutally simple – for those men who believe women should be treated as lesser beings under the law:
Unless I, a woman, have peer representation in political decision-making and in the courts, I see no reason to follow any laws or adhere to any portion of a social contract I had no hand (actual or symbolic) in creating. I see no reason, for example, to pay taxes or contribute children to a future where half the human race is treated as a slave caste. In other words, if you disenfranchise me and other women, then we owe you absolutely nothing.
Nothing.
I would say that women should go on strike, everywhere, and no matter what the punishment or privation.
Then there will be few children and no future. Half the world's jobs will be left undone. Most crops will not be planted or harvested. Most textile production will cease.
If these men really want to prove their superior skill, let them run the entire world - raise the few children they can get by rape, for woman will no longer willingly bear; sow and reap their own damned crops; make their own clothing; run the pink collar jobs; and do everything else their own damned selves.
Women would wither without men? Let's see how well men would do without women.
5/14/2012 6:31:40 PM
#1402970
Ambrielle
jewish philosopher?? Sounds like a naive 12 year old writing a class paper. And getting an 'F'.
5/14/2012 6:37:05 PM
#1402999
Blayze Kohime
Yes most government leaders are male, and just look how well off the world is for it. I think we might do better with more proportional representation up top.
5/14/2012 8:00:31 PM
#1403004
Darwin
Homo sapiens presents with male-dominant sexual dimorphism, the average human male has always been larger and stronger than the average human female. But society modifies the dynamic, each has different abilities that are essential to the structure and survival of the species.
In other words, take your sexist shit and shove it up your ass.
Sideways.
Thank you.
5/14/2012 8:06:48 PM
#1403073
Thrutch
I thought that loony Mabus had been banned from using the internets.
5/14/2012 11:23:30 PM
#1403087
rebel
Well, the black widow spider eats the male after mating..... How's that for "male dominated"?
5/15/2012 12:28:12 AM
#1403105
capello moderno
Ah.. ye olde is/ought fallacy. And, as per custom, it is peppered with the usual 'appeal to nature'.
Men are in power - hence this is natural - hence men ought to be in power (as the natural is for some unspecified reason always considered good)
This is old hat.
The human being is a being of culture: we can do stuff; we don't have to accept things as they are.
5/15/2012 1:27:13 AM
#1403235
Unbeliever
@ Brendan Rizzo:
> Do you know anything about the history of the Soviet Union? Marxism may not inherently be a religion, but the Soviets sure treated it like one.
What about you? Do you know the history of the Soviet Union? What was taken for a religion was Leninism ( and while Stalin was in charge - Stalinism ) - the attempts to apply Marxism from the theory that it was to the social and economic realities of the Soviet state. Marxism was never even studied in universities by itself - only in conjunction with Leninism ( in post-Stalin age ).
5/15/2012 5:38:56 AM
#1403305
Fundies Make Me Sick
All this says to me is that the Jews are still stuck in the Old Testament and need to move forward about 3,000 years.
5/15/2012 6:51:02 AM
#1403339
Brendan Rizzo
@ Unbeliever:
And fundies claim to be Christian while at the same time perverting every teaching of Christ. The problem is that there is no term that unambiguously refers to communist dictatorships... as our friend Fawful has shown, there are even some people who call themselves communists but would not have supported the Soviets or China. What am I to do?
5/15/2012 7:22:03 AM
#1403346
Unbeliever
@ Brendan Rizzo:
> And fundies claim to be Christian while at the same time perverting every teaching of Christ.
I would dispute that. Teachings of Christ invoke such fine moments as: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
> The problem is that there is no term that unambiguously refers to communist dictatorships...
How about "communist dictatorships"? Sounds pretty straightforward, includes such set of common attributes as forbidding private ownership of means of production, etc. The exact implementation might be different from country to country.
> as our friend Fawful has shown, there are even some people who call themselves communists but would not have supported the Soviets or China.
Yeah, and, say, Pol Pot was also building his own version of communism.
5/15/2012 7:39:00 AM
#1403380
Raised by Horses
A note about "communism", since the discussion seems to be veering in that direction:
"Communist" states like the Soviet Union and China call themselves that in order to distance themselves from "sinful, evil Capitalism", and "capitalist" nations refer to these nations or regimes as "Communist states" in order to vilify them. But if you examine how they actually operate, you'll usually find that they are far from any of the original notions of Communism. The Soviet Union was a brutal dictatorial regime. Rather antithetical to the idea that people should be in control of their own workplaces and their own destiny, wouldn't you say?
China's not a Communist state, either. It is a capitalist state which pretends to be the former, for the same reason mentioned above. And it is certainly not a "people's republic" (the second word is redundant, by the way). Like most modern nations, it is a polyarchy which bears the label of democracy because it sounds good.
That's the problem with politics: The fixation on meaningless labels and emotional appeals, and the discouragement of actual, critical analysis of political parties and their behaviour.
Okay, I'm done ranting.
5/15/2012 8:40:47 AM
#1403469
rageaholic
This guy again. Reminds me of Proph if he were Jewish.
5/15/2012 11:30:09 AM
#1403597
TheLastCenturion
in nature, the only reason the male exists is to shoot genetic material, and to live long enough to make sure his mate/offspring do not die when threatened.
i suppose males have taken to oppressing women in the off time, though. being no more important than a first line of defense can get pretty boring, if lives arent being threatened.
5/15/2012 3:32:19 PM
#1403649
Robespierre
Off with
@Raisedbyhorses:
Actually, they didn't call themselves communist, but socialist states. Communist state is a contradiction in terms.
In socialism, there is still a class to oppress (the former capitalists at home and abroad) and economic scarcity to administer, hence the need for a state. When the means of production have been fully socialized, the state is supposed to die off gradually.
That said, unfortunately I think that Marxism is unscientific and inherently authoritarian in practice. Having a hated minority try to set up socialism in a pre-capitalist country during wartime certainly didn't help, either.
5/15/2012 5:28:59 PM
#1403650
Robespierre
Off with
@Raisedbyhorses:
Actually, they didn't call themselves communist, but socialist states. Communist state is a contradiction in terms.
In socialism, there is still a class to oppress (the former capitalists at home and abroad) and economic scarcity to administer, hence the need for a state. When the means of production have been fully socialized, the state is supposed to die off gradually.
That said, unfortunately I think that Marxism is unscientific and inherently authoritarian in practice. Having a hated minority try to set up socialism in a pre-capitalist country during wartime certainly didn't help, either.
5/15/2012 5:31:16 PM
#1403666
Renon
Gender roles in most animals other than mammals are female-dominated, where a female might have an entire harem of males serving at her beck and call. In mammals, its a rather even split between matriarchal and patriarchal. However, the key difference is that even in patriarchal animal societies, the females are generally not treated poorly, because they HAVE to be healthy and happy, or the species is fucked. Humans like you are the notable exception, where you don't give a fuck about the greater good, or the survival of the species, or even common decency, you just like being a sexist.
And if you think female mammals don't take leadership roles, go look up the spotted hyena. Hyena females are quite thoroughly in charge. they are known to rip the males wangs off just to assert their dominance.
Hell, even lions are ruled by the females. The male may have a harem, but he only remains in power so long as the females consent. Their system is a female-driven democracy. Male lions who are dicks are known to be overthrown by and beaten the shit out of by the females.
5/15/2012 6:31:59 PM
#1403686
Pondera
The various Celtic tribes going all the way back to 1,000 BCE would like a stern word with you.
5/15/2012 7:15:35 PM
#1403688
Passerby
In showing this fool the utter lunacy of their chauvanist "reasoning" I would ask that responses refrain from stooping to that exact same level of assholism and ignorance by resorting to bashing men as a gender.
5/15/2012 7:32:36 PM
#1404022
aaa
Something tells me that you are a very unpleasant person.
5/16/2012 3:00:19 PM
#1404098
Religion is opposed to sexual equality.
5/16/2012 10:08:21 PM
#1404385
What about hyenas? They're a matriarchal society. Even the lowest ranked female is more in power than any male in the pack.
5/17/2012 5:19:35 PM
#1404392
Dr.Shrinker
"Judaism is opposed to sexual equality. "
Now give us a reason why Judaism shouldn't be abandoned
5/17/2012 5:35:18 PM
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