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Judaism is opposed to sexual equality.

Within the Orthodox Jewish community, the primary decision makers should be men.

First of all, only men are permitted to attend Talmudic lectures. Since all important decisions in society are based on the Talmud, this effectively excludes women from community decision making.

Second of all, in Judaism, wealth generally is in the hands of men. If someone dies and leaves a son, the son inherits all regardless of the existence of daughters. If a woman marries and owns property, the property is controlled by her husband during their marriage. If a married woman works, her earnings belong to her husband unless she waives her right to spousal support.

The fact is, however, this is little different than in other societies.

In all human societies, even those which claim to endorse the principle of equality of the sexes, men are dominant. In politics, about 80% of all leaders are male. In the business world, there were 21 women from a total of 1,226 billionaires worldwide in 2012. (In fact, New Atheists leaders are called by some "sexist".)

Going a step further, among most animals and nearly all mammals, the male is larger and more aggressive on the average than the female.

Gender equality is therefore seemingly not only against human nature, but against biology.

jewish philosopher, Torah Philosophy 79 Comments [5/14/2012 3:33:03 AM]
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#1402619

Lovely. You almost forget how fucking evil Judaism can be because Muslims and Christians are so noisy.

5/14/2012 7:03:00 AM

#1402621

Extraintrovert

So this simpleton's argument is that women are marginalised and prevented from holding power and authority, so they should be prevented from holding power and authority. Even when I was Jewish and swallowed most of the tripe I was fed, the blatant sexism always perplexed me, and now it just pisses me off. That's what you get when your supposed holy guide for living has been handed down over thousands of years.

Vaccines and clean water are also against human nature and biology, but I don't see you complaining about that.

@Mudak
Yes, thank you. In my experience, people who laud natural biology as some sort of infallible standard for human behaviour most often have no idea how it actually works.

@Joe Mama
Totalitarian zealots hate other totalitarian zealots more than any other group, even if they're basically the same, because they're a threat to their power. After all, if people are being oppressed by fundie A, then they aren't being oppressed by fundie B, and that makes fundie B a sad panda.

5/14/2012 7:03:30 AM

#1402624

Reynardine

A neat little shift from description to prescription, isn't it??? Plus, a little unobservant of the animal kingdom.

5/14/2012 7:05:19 AM

#1402629

OhJohnNo

He's sadly correct that even the most progressive of societies are still mostly male-dominated. I often wonder if we'll ever overcome that particular barrier.

5/14/2012 7:10:08 AM

#1402631

JSS

{Going a step further, among most animals and nearly all mammals, the male is larger and more aggressive on the average than the female.}

Try studying insects, particularly spiders.

{Gender equality is therefore seemingly not only against human nature, but against biology.}

Only in your narrow-minded worldview. Again, study spiders for a start, that is if you're going to argue biology. Female black widows for example are dominant, and will eat the males after mating with them.

Oh, and you might want to read up on red herrings as well, and I'm not talking about the fish...

5/14/2012 7:11:04 AM

#1402670

Osiris

Clearly this guy hasn't heard of hyenas.

5/14/2012 8:04:08 AM

#1402693

Ahad Ha-am

Queen Esther, Dvorah, Ruth and Naomi, Miriam, Sarah, Rivka, Rachel and Leah, Channah (of the Hannukah story) Yehudit, Batya, and in our modern age, Chaya Mushka Schneerson, Golda, Hannah Senesz, and all the female soldiers in the IDF beg to differ with you.

5/14/2012 8:46:16 AM

#1402697

Sad Panda

Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Marxism. Four bullshit dogmatic religions that encourages tribalism/mob mentality and never did anything for true equality.

5/14/2012 8:57:10 AM

#1402705

Berny

Like most religions, Judaism (Orthodox or otherwise) is paternalistic. No big surprise since most religions were invented by men and are controlled by men.
As for what is natural, you might want to investigate a little further. Elephant herds, for instance, are matriarchal. The males are pushed out once they get to a certain age.
There is no justification for misogyny, religious or otherwise, in a civilized society.

5/14/2012 9:07:02 AM

#1402706

breakerslion

I HAZ DICK SO I IS BIG DICK!

Sexist dogma written by sexists that supports sexism. Imagine that!

"Going a step further, among most animals and nearly all mammals, the male is larger and more aggressive on the average (than the female)."

And you left out, "because they are more expendable in terms of species continuity..."

5/14/2012 9:09:20 AM

#1402725

Frank

"In the business world, there were 21 women from a total of 1,226 billionaires worldwide in 2012"

And only six were black. So does that prove that only white males should make all the decisions?

5/14/2012 9:42:04 AM

#1402740

Ludd

Anytime you Bronze Age barbarians want to join the rest of us in the 21st Century, you just let us know.

5/14/2012 10:26:30 AM

#1402763

tracer

@ JSS : You wrote:

"Try studying insects, particularly spiders."

Last I checked, class Arachnida wasn't on the same taxonomic branch as class Insecta....

5/14/2012 11:28:30 AM

#1402764

@ jewish philosopher

Yeah yeah, we know the god of "Abraham the fuckwit" doesn't quite like women. No wonder the best he has to show for his timeless existence is one measly quicky that he managed to trick or force a married (yet still "luckily" virginal) woman into, a couple of thousand years ago. Perhaps if your god learned to offer women the due respect, he might actually get some more action, instead of having to wank to his various subscriptions of porno mags.

@ Titania
Though their brains are larger, it takes much more grey matter in the male brain to do less, and less efficiently, of what the female brain can do with less grey matter.

Yeah, that's it, fight misogyny with misandry.

Read the following article, and perhaps you'll educate yourself:

Are There Differences between the Brains of Males and Females?

...After allowing for the natural differences in overall brain volume which exist between the brains of men and women, there was still a difference of 5% between the IPL volumes (human male brains are, on average, approximately 10 % larger than female, but this is because of men's larger body size: more muscle cells imply more neurons to control them)...

@ Sad Panda
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Marxism. Four bullshit dogmatic religions...

Err dude, I'm not sure if you understand what Marxism actually is.

5/14/2012 11:31:21 AM

#1402772

Old Viking

Throughout recorded history men have done a helluva job! A helluva job! That's for sure. (Overlook the occasional minor disagreements.)

5/14/2012 11:49:04 AM

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Mech610

Is it odd that the only group of people I tend to hate universally are members of my own? Because I freaking hate the Orthodox.

5/14/2012 12:44:11 PM

#1402812

John

Judaism is opposed to sexual equality

I'm sure it wasn't a woman who wrote the stuff in the OT about executing a woman if she's raped in town because she didn't cry out loud enough, or setting the "fair price" for selling one's daughter into slavery, or allowing the buyer to return her to her father in "used" condition upon payment of a fee - so, yeah, Judaism is opposed to sexual equality; and the Christians and Muslims bought into it.

5/14/2012 1:01:59 PM

#1402823

Tatsukun

Fundy who is uneducated, lazy, and useless but claims to be important because he has a penis #62,839

5/14/2012 1:09:22 PM

#1402845

checkmate

Dear "jewish philosopher", thank you for presenting a perfect argument against religion.

Everything you wrote just proves what bullshit religion is.

5/14/2012 1:31:02 PM

#1402866

Brendan Rizzo

@ #1402764:

Do you know anything about the history of the Soviet Union? Marxism may not inherently be a religion, but the Soviets sure treated it like one. Their arguments and standards of evidence were indistinguishable from those of the Catholic church. Sometimes, the fact that Stalin isn't reviled as much as Hitler greatly disturbs me.

@ Mech610:

No, that is not odd at all. I hate American fundies with the burning passion of a thousand suns, but when some fundies from other countries(like the antiziganists in Croatia or that Bangladeshi schoolteacher) got on, I was much more subdued and positive about the situation. I think it has something to do with the original definition of scandal, i. e. making the whole group look bad to outsiders.

5/14/2012 2:07:32 PM

#1402869

Comrade Potatovich

>>among most animals and nearly all mammals, the male is larger and more aggressive on the average than the female

Someone hasn't read Kipling I see.

5/14/2012 2:14:09 PM

#1402878

@ Brendan Rizzo

Somebody: Apples, oranges, bananas and carrots are all fruits that I hold a similar opinion about...

Me: Dude, carrots?

You: Carrots may not inherently be a fruit, but someone, whom I apparently know better than you, sure treated them like one.

Me: Alright then. :)

5/14/2012 2:24:02 PM

#1402880

Wehpudicabok

No, Judaism isn't opposed to sexual equality. You are. Most of the Jewish community lacks your... oh, what's the word... insanity.

5/14/2012 2:31:09 PM

#1402893

SaneChick

All monotheist religions oppose sexual equality.

Thank the universe I'm an atheist.

5/14/2012 3:09:09 PM

#1402894

Meshakhad

Shut up.

Heretic.

5/14/2012 3:13:45 PM

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