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GAY JEWS?

My brother is gay and he knows its wrong to be gay. Torah states it. The torah is straight up, G-d forbids. You don't do it. No justification..nothing... My brother doesn't associate himself with us. He tells us, This is between G-d and him. When he's ready to change then he'll change. He is aware of his rebellion. G-d does not forgive rebellion. Look it up!!

Don, Chabad Comments 41 Comments [5/14/2012 3:30:08 AM]
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#1402480
Danarth

Meh. Bog-standard religious homophobia.

Your god is an arsehole, Don.

Also, what's with this G-d thing?

5/14/2012 3:43:30 AM

#1402487
Woody

"My brother doesn't associate himself with us"

And you put this down to him being "aware of his rebellion".

Maybe he learnt the hard way (i.e. growing up with your religion) that your beliefs are wrong, the Torah doesn't actually say what you think it does but that trying to get a religious fundamentalist to see is this is like trying to move Everest with a garden trowel, so he has given up and is getting on with his life.

5/14/2012 3:52:05 AM

#1402489
Lizuka

GOD. He won't strike you down... no matter what you do really since he doesn't exist, but it especially won't be for writing his name. Hell, it's not even a name, it's a title. It'd be like someone ripping your throat out for calling him Mister.

5/14/2012 3:57:54 AM

#1402498
Da Rat Bastid (fka Rat of Steel)

(Danarth)
"Also, what's with this G-d thing?"


It's an old Jewish belief. If you write out God's name on any object, and that object later is destroyed, you're guilty of blasphemy. (Never mind the fact that the Jewish god's name is actually Yahweh. As Lizuka just stated, "God" isn't a name, only a title.) Censoring themselves like that is simply making use of what they seem to consider a loophole in that tradition.

5/14/2012 4:02:01 AM

#1402510
Raised by Horses

W-ll, g-dd-mn=t, y-= s-r= d- m-k- = c-nv=nc-ng -rg=m-nt th-r=. J-st l--k -t =p, s--!

5/14/2012 4:36:15 AM

#1402541
Leighton Buzzard

And what's YHVH gonna do about it, eh? Given that eternal punishment in hell is very much not a Jewish thang?

5/14/2012 5:01:36 AM

#1402542
Mister Spak

"G-d does not forgive rebellion. Look it up!! "

Jesus superceded your torah. Look it up!!(in the bible)

5/14/2012 5:02:15 AM

#1402549
Brendan Rizzo

The Torah also straight-up forbids wearing clothes of mixed fabric.

5/14/2012 5:13:21 AM

#1402569
Frelus

I am pretty sure that this:

Is accurate

Note: I know he is a jew, but it was the best piture I found for this. Just replace "Jesus" by "Your Holy Book" ;D

5/14/2012 6:07:16 AM

#1402574
Pup

"You don't do it."

Um, "it"?

5/14/2012 6:13:16 AM

#1402581
Xotan

Let's get this straight, G-d is a nonsense in English. God is not is not a name. God has a name,. however and it is written YHVH - actually HVHY, because Hebrew is written from right to left, just like it's linked language, Arabic. Neither of these languages write short vowels. And for long vowels they use consonants

Aleph is used often to indicate a long A
Pointing (diacritical marks_) for an E
Yod for I
Vav for O and U - pointing indicates which.

But pointing is only for kids and foreigners learning Hebrew. In general only the long vowels are written in everyday situations. So on three counts G-d is nonsense

- it's not God's name
- it's like circumcising English orthography
- it's idiotic - English ain't Hebrew.

As to your Bible, ever heard of David and Jonathan? Any fair-minded reading of this story cannot avoid the conclusion that here is a tale about two gay boys in love. No amount of sophistry can get around this. And attempts to do so are specious and dishonest. And don't David and Jonathan embrace each other through the night until David exceeds himself? I wonder what exceeds means - perhaps ex-seeds?

Don, I ask you possibly the first question in the Bible: "Where is thy brother Abel?" Also, check up on judging others. Generally not a good idea as the Jewish prophet Jesus seemed to think.

Finally, is it your prerogative to tell God what he should or should not forgive?

5/14/2012 6:20:38 AM

#1402589
D Laurier

The torah forbids a lot of things... like being born to a mixed race couple.

5/14/2012 6:30:03 AM

#1402596


Clearly, your brother is smart enough to know that men wrote the Torah, not God.

5/14/2012 6:36:45 AM

#1402598
Doubting Thomas

And nobody cares what your god thinks. Sorry, what your g-d thinks.

5/14/2012 6:39:13 AM

#1402599
Filin De Blanc

His brother seems to have the right idea: if God has a problem with something, he, being omnipotent, can surely deal with it himself. He doesn't need the help of a bunch of meddling morons.

5/14/2012 6:42:19 AM

#1402614
Joe Mama

The G-d thing just amuses me. It's not OK to write "God" because that's considered blasphemy, but writing "G-d" which means EXACTLY THE SAME THING is perfectly OK. Kind of like how someone will say "gosh darnit" which is acceptable, but "goddamn it" is not, even though they have the same meaning.

5/14/2012 6:56:59 AM

#1402643
Papabear

I dare say your brother doesn't associate himself with you and your lot because you and your lot are a**holes. Look it up!!

5/14/2012 7:17:32 AM

#1402644
OhJohnNo

"G-d does not forgive rebellion."

I wonder if Don here realises how fucking scary these words are?

5/14/2012 7:20:31 AM

#1402647
Dr.Shrinker

"G-d does not forgive rebellion."

When my daughters talk back, tell fibs or engage in other forms of rebellion, I forgive them. I'm not saying I don't get angry, and that my wife and I do not impose penalties for their behavior, but rebellion does not stop them from being my daughters.

I guess your god wouldn't understand what that's about. Tell me again why it deserves your praise?

5/14/2012 7:23:40 AM

#1402651
JSS

Ah yes, Leviticus. That one book we ignore almost completely, except the 18:22 and 20:13 parts.

5/14/2012 7:26:55 AM

#1402668
Osiris

Remember people this is just Orthodox Judaism. In Reformed Judaism when a Jewish son comes out and tells his parents that he's gay, they then try and set him up with a good Jewish boy.

5/14/2012 7:53:46 AM

#1402696
Ahad Ha-am

"He who interprets a verse literally, has committed a fraud."

That's from Pirkei Avos, Don. We Jews have interpreted every little thing in the Torah except, it seems, that verse. Methinks it's time to try to understand what it really means, instead of taking it at face-value like the Christian bible-thumpers do.

Also, keep in mind the story of Resh Lakish.

5/14/2012 8:55:08 AM

#1402712
Berny

Torah was written by homophobic bronze age tribesmen, so of course it condemns male homosexuality. They thought it was "icky."
It's curious how it doesn't seem to condemn lesbianism. Maybe the elders thought it was hot?

5/14/2012 9:20:02 AM

#1402771
CelticPagan

Hey Don (and any other Jewish fundies lurking)!
God God God God God.

5/14/2012 11:48:53 AM

#1402773
CelticPagan

K, that last comment was pretty immature. But it cracks me up how they're so scared of writing down his title. I do it, and I'm OK.

5/14/2012 11:50:17 AM
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