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Lee wasn't some sort of anti-government crusader like this guy seems to think he is. He joined the Confederates because he refused to take up arms against his home state of Virginia. The Union Army had offered Lee supreme command of all Union Forces and I'm pretty sure that had Virginia not seceded he would have accepted.
Has this man considered actually learning history?
5/11/2012 10:39:28 AM
[Disregard, double post]
5/11/2012 10:40:26 AM
As I recall, you idiots lost that war a long time ago. What makes you think you could win this one?
You're on the losing side again.
5/11/2012 10:46:40 AM
Geez, man. Last time we had a Civil War, Iron Man won, heroes got registered, Spider-Man made a deal with the devil, and Norman Osborn took over S.H.I.E.L.D. You think anyone wants that to happen again??
5/11/2012 11:51:17 AM
Like 600,000 Americans died too. But, I guess that is better than letting two lesbians file their taxes jointly.
5/11/2012 11:55:58 AM
>>Confederates, slave owners to a man
What sort of ridiculous reasoning are you going to use to try and make that statement true?
5/11/2012 12:35:19 PM
Ebon: no. I like to grow oranges, I hate cold weather, and I'm not going back to Illinois because of Prick Snott.
5/11/2012 12:40:57 PM
Lou sounds a trifle confused.
5/11/2012 1:01:27 PM
I just like Robert Lee and Stonewall Jackson and all of the Confederate South, you guys will lose.
5/11/2012 1:06:37 PM
Except it didn't really work out, did it? God dun goofed.
5/11/2012 1:14:25 PM
Everyone's probably said this already, but the South fucking lost the war. If you want to lose the war against rational people, hey, that's great by me.
5/11/2012 1:43:26 PM
[“he was able to restrain Washington, he took his stand and held back those force.” ]
He won the battle, but lost the war. Just like you're going to.
5/11/2012 1:47:11 PM
The South will never try to secede again.
If they were to secede, they know they would have to take Mississippi along with them, and that's something not even they want.
Mississippi, America's hell hole. No thank you.
How can one tell that Mississippi's so bad? Because it makes both Louisiana and Arkansas look good, or at least half way decent.
5/11/2012 2:35:57 PM
You idiots lost, your platforms nearly led to economic and political ruin even before your military losses necessitated surrender, a former slave had to save the South's agriculturally based economy, and even after all this time, all the outright bailouts by the North and it's bleeding heart liberalism, after the merciless bitchslappings of the twisted and sadistic dominitrix we call reality, you still cling to a mad delusion of moral and cultural superiority that rises above even your usual two-faced Bible thumping.
Whatever happened to the picturesque, good-natured, cordial, reasonable, and well-mannered Southerners that America didn't have to be ashamed of? The "Gentleman" stereotype that modern neo-confederates keep trying to convince themselves they are whilst acting like Jerry Springer rejects instead?
5/11/2012 2:54:50 PM
@ DarkfireTaimatsu :
He'll be here all week! Tip your waitstaff!
5/11/2012 5:26:21 PM
You're right. Not all people in the south personally owned slaves. That said, though, non-slave owners absolutely participated in slavery and gleefully made life unbearable for the enslaved. They went so far as to start a war over it, and die by the millions for the right of the privileged few to own another human being. So while not all of them were literal slaveowners, they ALL owned slavery.
Except, of course, the heroic handful that helped slaves to escape.
5/11/2012 5:32:34 PM
Translation: we tried to secede because those dam' Yankees (northerners, not the baseball team) wouldn't let us beat the nigras anymore - and that didn't work - so now let's secede so we can beat the homos.
5/11/2012 6:05:29 PM
Does Lou realize the south lost?
5/11/2012 6:22:25 PM
Is he forgetting that General Less lost and Stonewall Jackson was accidentally killed by one of his own men?
5/11/2012 6:25:45 PM
I know Christians don't consider bigotry to be a bad thing, but they should consider modeling themselves after the Confederates a bad idea for another reason: they were SOUNDLY defeated.
5/11/2012 6:32:27 PM
Jackson and Lee were definitely the coolest generals in the war. I'm not arguing that. Grant was okay, and Sherman was impressive, but he enacted total war on the countryside, which is a horrific precedent of which I cannot approve, even though pragmatism in warfare and all that.
But huge points for the inadvertent stonewall pun.
@Brendan Rizzo, the confederates were certainly not 'slaveholders to a man;' that's economically insupportable. Most of those who died for the cause weren't. They believed in the social order in which every black was inferior to every white, even freedmen. It was good for the ego and provided a theoretical lovely future for a young white man, full of ownership.
And also, probably more fervently, they believed in their states' rights to protect their economic foundation and not be ruined and beggared by a political lobby of Northerners who could afford their nice morals because their livelihoods didn't depend on slavekeeping. Which if you ignore the idea that blacks have human rights defended under the terms of the Constitution, they were right about. It wasn't 'fair.'
Of course, freed blacks didn't evaporate or anything, so the Southern economy didn't actually collapse, it just had to adapt to new ways of taking advantage of people. But these folks were pretty well convinced that if they lost the ability to keep the black population down they'd be slaughtered in their beds, and the survivors left destitute, so they had a lot of motivation.
Also, @ this Amadan person: I was here first! Can'tcha find a different name? Everybody's going to keep confusing us.
5/11/2012 7:04:39 PM
Um, something else happened at Stonewall.
5/11/2012 9:10:36 PM
...he took his stand and held back those force.”
I went to college in Gettysburg, PA, where the Confederate Army was stopped and turned back, and their slow retreat began.
Model yourself after them if you want. That just means you'll be defeated, too.
5/11/2012 9:32:04 PM
I seem to recall that General Lee surrendered and General Jackson was killed by his own men.
5/11/2012 10:04:06 PM
In the words of Harry Callahan,
"Go ahead, make my day".
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