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This gross non sequitur is a case of DARVO that beggars description.
5/7/2012 3:39:22 AM
If you defend the constitution, you might want to start by, you know, reading it.
5/7/2012 3:45:10 AM
Filin De Blanc
And the right to equal protection under the law that is also enshrined in the constitution?
5/7/2012 3:49:10 AM
Please demonstrate how you leap from Biblical laws to our current Constitution. Show me where in the Constitution God talks about the first commandment?
Yeah, you're pulling shit out of your ass. If our laws came directly from your creator, it would indeed be a tyranny.
5/7/2012 4:02:08 AM
It's a tyranny of freedom and liberty!
5/7/2012 4:16:10 AM
> violate the expressed guarantees that we have to religious liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of association
That's funny, I thought the Bible wasn't too big on guaranteeing any of those ideas.
> granted to us by the United States Constitution.
Yes, you have a nice country there. How do you propose you fix the rest of the world? Oh, wait, you have no idea how the folks outside of the USA are doing.
5/7/2012 4:56:05 AM
The guarantees to religious liberty, freedom of speech and freedom of association have nothing to do with 'God's law'or the Bible.
Religious liberty? 'Thou shalt have no other Gods before me'
Freedom of speech? 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth'
Freedom of association? ''Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness''
5/7/2012 5:02:07 AM
They still haven't explained why gay rights are bad. If this were truly a secular country like Canada or the Netherlands or someplace, this wouldn't even be an issue. It is only in theocracies like Iran, Uganda, and yes, the U.S., where this is considered a horrible outcome to be avoided at all costs. This country is hopeless.
5/7/2012 5:02:19 AM
too bad, but the Netherlands aren't secular. We have a state-religion (Dutch-Reformed) and insulting god is a felony.
However: even with being non-secular, we aren't a theocracy and the Netherlands do have a certain tolerance to people who don't think like 'the norm'. That norm being a minority, but with enough political power to not being able to topple aforementioned laws.
For what it's worth: The Netherlands have scrapped the legal notion of a marriage between one man and one woman in april 2001.. not that long ago..
5/7/2012 5:45:58 AM
I'm not American and know little to nothing about the Constitution (nor theology for that matter), but even I get the impression that this is garbled garbage of no relevance to politics or theology outside of this gentleman's poor delusional head
5/7/2012 5:46:23 AM
5/7/2012 5:48:12 AM
How does it affect you that people are given the same rights and protections that you take for granted? Equal rights is all they ask for, why is that so hard for you people to accept?
YOU define their identity based on sexuality.
The similarities between heterosexuality and homosexuality are much greater than the differences, stupid.
The gender is not that big a deal, really. I love my brothers just as much as I love my sister. I love both my mother and my father.
5/7/2012 6:07:16 AM
I far as I know, the LGBT community are not asking for special rights; just the right to be treated like everyone else.
5/7/2012 6:09:19 AM
You know what I define as sexually deviant?
A perverse and obsessive interest in the sexuality of others.
Defining sex out of wedlock as shameful, then using that definition as a cudgel to shame and dominate the normal humans that can't live up to that ridiculous "standard".
You sir, are the pervert, and your god is a dick. Furthermore, "Nature's God" is Gaia, and that makes you a heretic. "Nature's Laws" can be summed up as, "kill or be killed," or if you prefer, "root, hog, or die." Also, the US Constitution was written by intelligent men, not brought down the mountain by Moses, and all of that makes you an idiot.
5/7/2012 6:27:21 AM
Um... nowhere in the Constitution does it say that those rights are given to us by a creator, God, or nature.
And please tell me how the rights to religious freedom, speech, or association of yours are being violated? This should be good.
5/7/2012 6:36:50 AM
Where the fuck is gay marriage even hinted at in the Constitution? Citation seriously fucking needed because I keep hearing this bullshit about gay marriage being against the Constitution and have yet to hear anything that can even be misinterpreted as a dislike of gay marriage. As for God's laws and the supposed "Laws of Nature", those are not legally binding.
and yes violate the expressed guarantees that we have to religious liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of association granted to us by the United States Constitution
HOW? You can still believe what you want, churches don't have to marry gays, you can call gays names and tell them that they're going to hell, and you can feel free not to associate with any gays and only talk to other bigots. Hell, you can even join the KKK or a neo-Nazi group and that's all perfectly legal even though racial discrimination isn't.
5/7/2012 6:55:46 AM
"...these so-called rights violate the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God..."
NATURE'S GODDE APPROVES!
AMERICA'S GODDE APPROVES, TOO!
"I'll raise a torch to that!"
5/7/2012 7:07:10 AM
No, tyranny would be if you were being forced to engage in a sexual relationship (homosexual or otherwise) which you didn't want. What you have here is equal rights.
Remember, your rights end when they trample anothers rights.
P.S. You have a right to your religious beliefs, but no right to make others live by your religious beliefs.
5/7/2012 7:29:36 AM
What the fuck is a "neutral minority"?
5/7/2012 7:46:57 AM
Raised by Horses
EQUALITY FOR ALL IS INEQUALITY
GOD DEMANDS THAT SOME BE MADE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
THE WORD OF GOD IS GOOD AND TRUE BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN DOWN IN A BOOK THAT'S BEEN SELECTIVELY EDITED, SELECTIVELY COMPILED, MISTRANSLATED, MISUNDERSTOOD AND THEN SELECTIVELY TRANSLATED AGAIN FOR CENTURIES
The mind boggles.
5/7/2012 7:48:31 AM
Yet despite that, people in the Netherlands, like in all of Europe, are utterly appalled by the backwards actions and politics of Americans. Anything that a civilized society would do, whether in foreign or domestic policy, the United States does the opposite. Right now I think that only the Grandfather Clause (a figure of speech which itself is a reference to American barbarity) is the reason why the US is even considered a civilized country at all. I want to leave for someplace sane as soon as I am capable.
After all, there must be a reason why every single country in the West looks down on the United States. I wouldn't mind my country adopting the culture and laws of some other country completely verbatim; I am a culturist and I admit to it. The countries at the very top of the lists are simply better than all others. The US is nowhere near the top of the lists.
5/7/2012 8:07:08 AM
Obviously someone doesn't know their First Amendment very well.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.
5/7/2012 8:20:54 AM
I do wish Americans of all political stripes would get the fuck over their Constitution, and stop treating it as holy writ. (Seemingly literally, in Barber's case). As Bush the younger said, it is just a piece of paper.
5/7/2012 8:26:20 AM
Wow, I hadn't heard that particular reversal of reality before. Cool, they keep coming up with new ones.
5/7/2012 9:14:07 AM
I do admit, that most people here in Europe (except the christian right wing we have here as well, though not even close to your 'left wing' Democrats) tend to look down to the shallowness of US culture at the moment.
You're most welcome here, as is just about anyone with the decency to study cultures a bit and trying to blend in.
5/7/2012 9:41:14 AM
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