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I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to choose to sin, to disbelieve God. I mean, everything’s laid out, God’s explained everything, and yet there are people who would prefer to suffer in hell than serve God. Satan knew everything, and he chose to rebel, and so many other people do likewise. I’m simply amazed at the audacity of human pride, and its stubborn depths.

a reader of Randy Alcorn, Eternal Perspective Ministries 115 Comments [5/6/2012 5:15:18 AM]
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#1399803

His4Life

Well, sorry if I offended you. I could have been more tactful. As far as your question goes, the details do matter, but not as a condition of salvation. Think of it this way - a good parent-child relationship is unconditional. But love compels children to obey their parents and (assuming the parents are good role models and loving providers) to imitate them and become more like them. I choose to follow Christ and strive daily to imitate him not so that I can go to heaven (that's already a done deal, based on his work on the cross), but because I love Him and desire to emulate him. Any heart that truly loves and seeks God will want to follow his precepts to the best of its ability. On the other hand, if we claim to love God but don't make any effort to follow his teachings, then how real is that love? It's not for me to say, but I'd really question it.

5/6/2012 9:06:29 PM

#1399805

rebel

Well, I'm simply amazed at the level of your arrogance.

5/6/2012 10:21:37 PM

#1399818

Canuovea

His4Life,

No need to apologize, we say what we say.

You say that you love Jesus and desire to emulate him, which is great, but... even those Christians who support gay rights, abortion, etc can probably say the same thing. Or at least they believe that they do. Emulating Jesus is not exactly as easy as it appears to be. After all, he taught in parables and riddles most of the time, which even the apostles often didn't comprehend.

So in a kind of reverse Pascal wager... most Christians don't agree on the details (birth control, homosexuality, etc), but they agree on the central focus about believing in Jesus being the path to salvation. Since anyone can be wrong about the details, don't sweat them. By all means, don't give up your beliefs for no reason, but live and let live. that seems to make sense for me. Of course there will always be issues that are very divisive and two-sided (abortion for instance) that increase friction and seem very much like a zero sum game.

5/7/2012 1:12:25 AM

#1399820

\m/>_<\m/

not sure if poe or just really silly -_-"

5/7/2012 1:37:01 AM

#1399861

Mister SPak

" I mean, everything’s laid out, God’s explained everything, and yet there are people who would prefer to suffer in hell than serve God."

Allah has explained everything, but have you listened? Nooooooo!

@his4life:

Do you think you'll be having fun when you're being burned alive? You'll be surprised to learn how wrong you are when you come face to face with Allah.

5/7/2012 4:18:43 AM

#1399877

Dr.Shrinker

I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to believe that you can understand the will of an allegedly impotent force by reading one book compiled many centuries ago.

Or rather, a heavily redacted, copiously translated a book compiled centuries ago.

Or rather, selected passages of a heavily redacted, copiously translated a book compiled centuries ago.

5/7/2012 5:25:21 AM

#1399914

Is it really pride, or is it just thinking for yourself? Is it just lack of credulity and slavishness? Is it just not letting people gain control of your life?
I'm simply amazed at this guy's credulity, servility, and masochism, the stubborn depths of his refusal to think for himself.

5/7/2012 7:17:12 AM

#1399968

jgc

He's right! everyhting's laid out and god explained it to us--if your wife isn't a virgin on her marraige night you're to drag her to her father's doorstep and stone her to death. If a child disrespects their parent they're to be killed. If anyone does any kind of physical or mental work on the Sabbath, let alone go so far as to light a fire and grill some hamburgers and hot dogs--kill them!

Yet there are people who would prefer to suffer in hell than abide by these rules god's laid out and explained to us...

5/7/2012 8:33:00 AM

#1399979

Tatsukun

I ask the question I always ask when I meet these morons, "Which god?" followed by "How do you know?"

5/7/2012 8:49:47 AM

#1399992

aaa

A small mind fails to comprehend alternative viewpoints, resulting in a cranial explosion. Nothing special, i suppose.

5/7/2012 9:18:04 AM

#1399993

Xotan

"Satan knew everything, and he chose to rebel, and so many other people do likewise. I’m simply amazed at the audacity of human pride, and its stubborn depths."

So Satan is a human being?

5/7/2012 9:21:47 AM

#1400000

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Yep. Fer Shur. Satan believes in God ... just like elves believe in Santa.

5/7/2012 9:43:53 AM

#1400043

John

God’s explained everything, and yet there are people who would prefer to suffer in hell than serve God.

If God explained everything, we'd know exactly what to do. But He didn't. Humans explained stuff and then said they were speaking for God.

5/7/2012 11:42:10 AM

#1400114

NonProphet

Lack. Of. Belief.

You can't "choose hell" if you don't believe in it. What do these people not understand about that??

As for His4Life... I don't even know what to say anymore. You contradicted yourself pretty badly, there.
Also, apply your whole argument about believing in God to believing in, say, Zeus. It makes just as much sense, and is no more or less valid.

5/7/2012 3:36:35 PM

#1400126

Toothygrin

@His4Life
The discussion on loving your parents bears critique and is an analogy that would not go well for you. Children should obey their parents unquestionably until a certain point. That point is when they begin to think for themselves. We can still love our parents but not agree with them.

Eventually one day, we all move out of our parents' house in quest of our own lives. Those that don't - those who live in their parents' basements at 40 - may be considered dysfunctional. We learn for ourselves that we are our own people, that our parents are ignorant about some things and we outgrow them.

So it has been with society. If we consider religion to be an ignorant parent, we can use the last 2700 years of scientific learning to begin to question the assumptions and obsolescence of our religious past. Atheists have accepted that we need to move out of our parents' house. Religion/our parents no longer have all the answers. The wisest of us will take the good lessons that religion may have and use them, but discard the incorrect.

Your threat of hell is exactly like our parents threatening us with a spanking. We have moved out- they won't be spanking us. It's an empty threat.

5/7/2012 4:38:10 PM

#1400127

CelticPagan

His4Life- You do know that pain is felt via the nervous system, and when we die, it stops working, right? Ergo, we would not be able to feel pain in hell, since even if you did prove the existence of souls, (which you would have yet to do) you can't feel pain without a functioning nervous system.
Even so, if your feeble excuse for a god were real, (which I doubt) would he really be worth worshipping? He's portrayed as a malevolent, insecure, sadistic pyschopath. I would gladly march into hell with my head held high before showing such a thing the slightest bit of respect. I have no interest in a leader who rules through fear rather than love. A good god would not need the threat of hell or promise of heaven to have people worship him.

5/7/2012 4:53:34 PM

#1400130

Devil's Advocate

Some sense from a former Christian: Christians believe that when we go to heaven, we will either have no recollection of the world before or be too astounded to even care. Falil's case for friends in hellfire would be a moot point to them. But the real point is how your god would be a fucking dick if either one was true. If wee were too astounded, the argument/contradiction of “good works without faith is dead” and Pascals Wager stands. But the true hypocracy would entail the former, the belief which my father and his church sold to me. It's exactly like sending an amnesiac to the gas chamber for a crime, or having him arrested in the hospital after an accident. The dickishness of punishing with full force a person with no recollection of what he did wrong sickens me. Either way, His4Life, you lose. You seem like the type of hardcore Christian my father is, the type to believe in the former. Like I said, its a lose-lose either way.
-Devil's Advocate

5/7/2012 5:02:53 PM

#1400132

Filin De Blanc

His4Life: So Heaven is going to be filled with Nazis and members of the IRA? They were Christian. How can it be Heaven, then?

5/7/2012 5:05:53 PM

#1400177

Extraintrovert

"I’m simply amazed at the audacity of human pride, and its stubborn depths."

Yeah, I'm so prideful. I even have the audacity to claim knowledge of the intimate desires and plans of the omniscient, literally timeless creator of the universe, supported by not a single shred of evidence, leaving every single person in history who doesn't agree with me doomed to eternal torment while I get to spend my afterlife with the bestest God ever.

Oh no, wait. That's you.

5/7/2012 9:55:12 PM

#1400247

Agahnim

I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to choose to sin, to disbelieve in the Greek pantheon. I mean, everything’s laid out, Zeus has explained everything, and yet there are people who would prefer to suffer in the Tartarus than serve Zeus. You know this and chose to rebel, and so many other people do likewise. I’m simply amazed at the audacity of human pride, and its stubborn depths.

5/8/2012 4:23:08 AM

#1400356

fishtank

Unless, yknow, it's all not real.

5/8/2012 7:21:19 AM

#1400493

DinosaurRidinJeebus

Okay first off "insane" is a pejorative for mental illness. Having one belief or another has nothing to do with mental illness. In fact, if believing in something that isn't real makes you "crazy" than most of our country is bat shit insane.

Secondly, you don't know the first thing about logic. LOGIC dictates that we should demand hard evidence for any claim and dismiss any beliefs we may have that don't line up in reality. You believe in something that does not exist, that is not logical. SIMPLE. Although you morons make this alot harder than it should be.

Lastly, being an atheist has nothing to do with "rebelling" or wanting to "sin." Being an atheist means you were open minded enough to listen to your logic teacher and examine your beliefs. Being an atheist means not believing in lies that only gullible sheep (like you) continue to believe after learning logic. You are a sheep. Get over it.

5/8/2012 4:11:40 PM

#1400634

His4Life

Nonprophet, where did I "contradict" myself? Please point it out.

5/9/2012 4:51:58 AM

#1400640

His4Life

CelticPagan, that is a good question. It's a common misconception that we will be disembodied souls in eternity. What the Bible actually teaches is that God will resurrect both he saved and the unsaved when Christ returns, giving both of them imperishable physical bodies similar to the bodies we have now, but not subject to death. It's these bodies that will be burned, sodomized, etc., in hell, while the saved in contrast will spend eternity in a glorified body serving God. Presumably God will restore and perhaps even strengthen the nervous system in both groups of people.

Marvel not at this: for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment (John 5:28-29).

http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1329-the-resurrection-of-the-wicked

Hope this helps to answer your question! God bless you.

5/9/2012 4:57:15 AM

#1400644

His4Life

Devil's Advocate, my personal belief is that we will be perfected in eternity and will be without sin, as Christ was. From the view of eternity, we will have a perfect understanding of who God is and of His wisdom. We will understand mysteries of God that we couldn't possibly fathom right now in our fallen state.

5/9/2012 4:59:41 AM

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