I believe that Breivik is not just sane, but that his actions were carefully and expertly planned, well executed, and importantly, achieved Breiviks goals. And in doing so, he has altered the future course of his nation.
Here is some background not widely covered by the media.
1) The Workers’ Youth League (Norway) was founded in 1927 with the merger of the Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway. While it officially considers its founding based on the 1903 Norwegian Social-Democratic Youth League, its real impulse came in response to the formation of the Hitler Jugend in Germany, in 1922.
In all of these cases, whether communist or socialist, the purpose of these leagues was to create an ideologically pure generation to replace the current communist or socialist, socialist-fascist political leadership.
Importantly, over the course of almost 100 years, these youth leagues maintained the idealistic, ideological focus of their political movements. This is a winning strategy against conservatism in any form, because conservatives have no inflexible doctrines, and tend to use a static defense of retaining the status quo, whatever it is. Which invariably loses.
2) In modern internationalist-socialism, a primary goal is to eliminate national borders and national, cultural, and ethnic identities, as well as philosophies other than their own. To do this it encourages unrestricted immigration, on condition the immigrants give political loyalty to the left.
That the immigrants are also deeply ideological and in strong opposition to leftism is of small consequence to the left, because it sees them as inherently weak and corruptible, their ideologies far weaker than conservative nationalism.
Norway has a relatively tiny population of only 4.7m, so they are remarkably easy to infiltrate with immigrants until Norwegians are in the minority.
3) So the end result with be an absolute majority of political power for the left, the destruction of Norway as a unique nation, and the Norwegians as a unique people and culture, what remains being a “generic” administrative socialist district of Europe, lead by an ideologically pure elite of internationalists with no loyalty whatsoever to what had been Norway.
4) However, the left made a major mistake by “putting all its eggs in one basket”, with virtually its entire future generation of socialist leaders on an island with no ready means of escape.
Breivik first used a bomb to distract the socialist government, the arrived at the island to systematically kill everyone on it. Once he had achieved that goal, his mission was over and he surrendered peacefully.
5) What he achieved was to completely handicap not just that political party but their anti-Norway agenda. Almost by default, they will soon lose political power, and the more conservative opposition will derail the most destructive of their schemes, hopefully expelling a large number of these immigrants, requiring integration of the rest, restoring Norway’s national pride and culture, and to dismantle much of the socialist government’s bureaucracy.
As such, after many years, Breivik may be regarded as a national hero, though he will be bitterly vilified and cursed by the left even longer, as a “counterrevolutionary.”
yefragetuwrabrumuy, Free Republic 83 Comments
[5/2/2012 3:15:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog
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Are you seriously trying to justify the murder of dozens of young people?
You're sick. You go beyond being an evil, sadistic sociopath. You're one of the biggest Complete Monsters I've had the displeasure of learning of on this sight, and I don't say that lightly.
5/2/2012 2:47:06 PM
Conservatives defending terrorism. Huh.
5/2/2012 3:09:47 PM
"Importantly, over the course of almost 100 years, these youth leagues maintained the idealistic, ideological focus of their political movements."
Communism is materialistic (arises out of the current order).
"In modern internationalist-socialism, a primary goal is to eliminate national borders and national, cultural, and ethnic identities"
"The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.
The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word. " - The Communist Manifesto.
In other words same old right wing arguments...
5/2/2012 4:35:20 PM
A good argument for kicking people like this in the balls. Seriously -- is this guy a spree killer wannabe or what?
5/2/2012 5:11:53 PM
Do all you conservative nutjobs have some kind of special brain damage which makes you unable to absord the fact that Nazis and communists are wildly different?
5/2/2012 5:30:02 PM
Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis
Communism is not what the U.S.S.R. did. It's actually a philosophy that states that after socialism kicks in, people will no longer need government and start working in communes. What the idiots of the U.S.S.R. practiced was a small type of Stalinism. After Kruschev left power, the conservative wing of the CPSU posed a new leader who cancelled everything Kruschev (and Lenin) did (except glorifying Stalin. They pretty mcuch had a huge load of evidece that stated he was the intellectual perpetrator of the famines and misery of his government). This is the reason the de-Stalinized Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia.
5/2/2012 8:26:22 PM
Actually, I don't think that Breivik is crazy. Having revolting values and goals is not insanity, and locking up a criminal in a psychiatric hospital would be even worse than standard jailtime.
Declaring him to be insane is a confortable, cowardly way to
a) punish him more than the Norwegian law allows
b) avoid confronting the statements he made
Was Bin Laden crazy? No, he fought for goals we deem to be evil. Breivik is just a consistent Pat Buchanan.
And for the record, I AM a socialist and an internationalist who thinks that borders and immigration laws work like a worldwide apartheid system to our benefit.
5/2/2012 9:03:19 PM
Is he crazy in the legal sense that he didn't know right from wrong? No. Is he crazy in the sense that he's a psychopath with no sense of remorse or conscience? Most definitely.
5/3/2012 2:24:56 AM
Well, Smegmadismissed, if you're not writing your screed while looking at quilted wallpaper, you should be.
5/3/2012 4:32:28 AM
Are you seriously defending the brutal quashing of the Prague Spring?
5/3/2012 5:53:12 AM
I define myself as a peacefull man, but this just achieved to make me feel like bashing his skull on a rock repeatedly until he gains some sanity or his brain comes out on my shoes, whatever comes first.
Congratulations to him.
5/3/2012 5:58:34 AM
For those who tl;dr,
Killing socialists, liberals and anyone who disagrees with my insane rhetoric are a-okay in my book!
5/3/2012 6:41:57 AM
Brendan Rizzo> where does Fawful defend that? I don't read that from his statement at all.
5/3/2012 11:31:56 AM
@Reynardine - #1398893
Is this at me? Sorry, I posted a continuation of yefragetuwrabrumuy's crazy that was later in the thread from the OP.
5/3/2012 12:50:58 PM
Sorry, Smug, I thought you were expressing your own thoughts. Whoever thinks such thoughts does need quilted wallpaper.
5/3/2012 6:29:55 PM
You're not convincing everyone that killing a whole bunch fo people was a good thing. Not going to happen....Ever.
Stop being a dick.
5/3/2012 6:56:11 PM
Here's what I want to do:
1. Get plenty of rusty nails.
2. Stick a fistful up your ass.
3. Stick one up your urethra.
4. Leave them there for at least one day and remove.
5/4/2012 1:15:26 AM
please don't lecture to me about my thoughts and beliefs. Leave that to the fundies, they are better at it.
As for my comment, the next spree killing will happen whether I want it or not(I don't), as for where and why, it's impossible to tell.
I just think it would be interesting to see what these self- important little pricks and disaffected young nihilist wannabes, who think glorifying these atrocities makes them cool tough and important,would say if their loved ones died in one.
Would the end STILL justify the means?
Do people who'se families are killed by a suicide bomber support terrorism?
5/4/2012 5:03:27 AM
5/4/2012 7:09:20 AM
I regret there is no hell for you to burn in.
5/5/2012 3:33:10 PM
Fuck you in the ass with a glowing red iron pickaxe.
Breivik EXECUTED 68 innocent children some of whom were begging for their lives. He did so in a manner as to preserve as much ammo as possible. He calmly described this in court. He was sorry that he didn't kill more and hoped the fleeing kids would drown.
That is not the actions of a hero. Not now, not ever. That is the actions of a psychotic nazi-sympathising vile son of a bitch.
I hope you die the most agonizing long death possible.
5/6/2012 11:22:49 AM
I like his user name -- it appears to be an accurate representation of his thinking process.
5/6/2012 8:36:49 PM
"In all of these cases, whether communist or socialist, the purpose of these leagues was to create an ideologically pure generation to replace the current communist or socialist, socialist-fascist political leadership."
Firstly, you need to study political philosophy, science, and theory a little more before you ever talk about the left-right paradigm ever again. National-Socialist were not socialist in the way you are thinking, hell they weren't really socialist in any sense.
Secondly, how do you feel about all of the tea party youth camps that were taking place in the United States around the same time this tragedy took place.
Finally, you are a despicable individual for praising a man who slaughtered children because of a political ideology. I do not care if it was some madman in the forties who opened fire and killed hundreds of the Hitler youth, they are kids!!!
You may now go and DIE IN A FIRE!
5/9/2012 1:53:59 AM
And then, when he's out of prison he'll publish his memoirs, including every grisly detail of the mass murder, and become a millionaire.
5/9/2012 11:09:33 AM
The facts say differently than your garbage, Alphabet Soup.
So does Breivik's testimony.
Breivik was someone that hated others for no reason and chose to inflict pain and terror on them for less than no reason.
You are the kind of asshole that finds himself as hateful and as sick as Breivik but doesn't want to be painted by the same brush, so we get this.
5/9/2012 6:56:47 PM
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