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#1400364
Mayhem
This sounds familiar. The post on the site is 10 months old.
5/8/2012 7:39:49 AM
#1400367
breakerslion
Something else just occurred to me.
Self-Mutation rejects any dating that would suggest that writing is more than 6,000 years old because s)he believes the earth is only 6,000 years old. Therefore, the oldest that writing can possibly be is 6,000 years old. S-M then tries to prove that the earth is only 6,000 years old because writing is only 6,000 years old.
That's not "coincidence," or "pure luck," it's circular logic, and Self-Mutation is a drip.
5/8/2012 7:55:32 AM
#1400368
Xotan
Did anyone else read the username as 'Self Mutilation'?
Anyway.
I still don't see a case for linking the existence of God with writing. Nor do I understand the arguement as to why writing should or shouldn't go back to 50,000 or even 100,000 years ago.
5/8/2012 7:56:10 AM
#1400375
John_in_Oz
I'm convinced. Penicillin wasn't invented 200 years ago, therefore Thor exists. Who can argue with logic like that?
5/8/2012 8:31:24 AM
#1400384
Berny
Archeological samples of writing go back to 8000 years ago, or 6000 BCE. That would be 2000 years before your god supposedly created the universe.
Strangely, these writing samples do not document the creation of the world, nor are they in the bible.
There are samples of artwork however that date some 50,000 years ago.
All in all, these add up to you being full of shit.
5/8/2012 9:19:25 AM
#1400391
dionysus
Maybe written language but we have cave paintings and inscriptions that are much older than 6000 years old.
5/8/2012 9:45:22 AM
#1400403
nazani14
Even Xian scholars only date the oldest books in the Bible, supposedly written by Moses himself, to about 1500 BCE.
The ball's in your court.
5/8/2012 10:33:06 AM
#1400406
Misterboston
So his basic assertion is that a WRITTEN myth about a creator dates back to when the people whose story it is first developed their written language? How exactly does this prove the existence of said creator?
5/8/2012 10:44:40 AM
#1400418
Old Viking
I have credit card bills that go back more than 6,000 years.
5/8/2012 11:40:44 AM
#1400420
checkmate
Another very strong proof that God is real is the fact that television doesn't go back more than about 80 years.
If we really existed as a species for thousands and thousands of years, television should go back 50,000 years at least, possibly even 100,000 years.
5/8/2012 11:45:32 AM
#1400462
Osiris
You do realize that there are things over than writing that human beings have used to communicate ideas to each other with? The cave paintings in Lascaux are 17,000 years old.
Also writing is a very complicated thing and not ever culture has invented them. What's more ridiculous to believe, that humans have been around for a very long time, and it took that long time for all of the necessary components for a written language to form, or that the world is 6,000 years old and that written language just spontaneously came into being along with everything else.
5/8/2012 3:03:02 PM
#1400488
TheLastCenturion
ancient sumerian texts date as far back as 27000 BC. ever heard of the rossetta stone? its a tablet with the same thing written in sumerian, egyptian hieroglyphs(18000 BC) and Latin. it is how we are able to translate sumerian, a language so dead, we dont even know how the words would be pronounced. it is also how we know that pretty much the whole of the bible is completely ripped off from sumerian texts. creation, flood, water walking, son of god, sin, angels, heaven, the whole shebang, can be traced back to sumerian origins.
nice straw man, by the way. i barely even recognized it. atheists would not say "coincidence" or "luck"(same thing, by the way), they would tell you that "that is how long it took for humans to develop the written word".
5/8/2012 3:49:58 PM
#1400494
Alencon
What could be called the first true systems of writing originated around 5200 years ago it's true, but proto-writing and the use of pictorial glyphs goes back at least 20,000 years.
Oh well, so much for your "proof."
5/8/2012 4:13:50 PM
#1400504
checkmate
@TheLastCenturion
ancient sumerian texts date as far back as 27000 BC. ever heard of the rossetta stone? its a tablet with the same thing written in sumerian, egyptian hieroglyphs(18000 BC) and Latin. it is how we are able to translate sumerian, a language so dead, we dont even know how the words would be pronounced. it is also how we know that pretty much the whole of the bible is completely ripped off from sumerian texts. creation, flood, water walking, son of god, sin, angels, heaven, the whole shebang, can be traced back to sumerian origins.
Ouch. Sorry, but wrong. Very wrong. All wrong.
The Rosetta Stone has an inscription in "classical" Egyptian using hieroglyphs, Demotic Egyptian cursive and ancient Greek. It was used to decode the hieroglyphs by isolating names.
Sumerian was deciphered indirectly via Akkadian using a multilingual inscriptions with ancient Persian. The oldest Sumerian texts date back to about 3200 BC, not 27000.
Forerunners were so-called tokens found throughout the Middle East, especially in the Indus region.
Water walking, son of god, sin, angels, and heaven (in the Biblical sense) are not attested in Sumerian texts. They do, however, appear in part in Ugaritic texts, in the KRT legend.
5/8/2012 4:47:24 PM
#1400529
Mech610
As an archaeology and linguistics doctoral student this post made me vomit a little in my mouth.
Also, though we have yet to solidly translate their languages, we have writings from the Indus Valley civilizations that can be dated back to roughly 10,000 B.C.E..
Oh and cue picture of Lascaux Caves.
5/8/2012 6:39:41 PM
#1400547
Renon
Odd, because the Chinese and Hindu religions predate 6,000 years by millenia. Guess that that thar debil's been a-usin' his time masheen agin'.
5/8/2012 7:42:48 PM
#1400554
Percy Q. Shunn
You see what I mean about God being hidden
Wait; why exactly is this "god" character hiding again?
5/8/2012 9:06:38 PM
#1400564
TB Tabby
Infinity. A coincidence is a coincidence, even when other coincidences are happening around it.
5/8/2012 10:18:18 PM
#1400566
Ebon
1) Your argument makes no sense. DVDs were only invented a few years ago, therefore Zeus?
2) Writing is older than 6000 years.
5/8/2012 10:44:27 PM
#1400578
It literally takes like 10 seconds to google "earliest writing" and following a couple of links to see that the earliest writing is in fact older than 6000 years.
It's like Dunning Kruger to the second power; not only too stupid to realize you're stupid, but also assuming everyone else is (at least) as stupid as you.
5/8/2012 11:47:28 PM
#1400582
Tempus
1) Since the oldest known true writing is almost 8000 years old, and comes from the Indus Valley region, your assertion that writing is only 6000 years old is flat-out wrong.
2) Written language was developed independently in both the Old and New World on at least two occasions. Arguably, it arose independently on at least one more; the Chinese writing system may also have arisen independently. Proto-writing systems are at least 20,000 years older than THAT, and may go back even farther.
There goes your "coincidence" right there.
Civilization isn't new, and written history goes back even farther than 6,000 years.
Try again.
5/9/2012 12:38:50 AM
#1400597
Amadaun
@checkmate: Thanks for setting Rory straight. Had me twitching. Sumerian. Latin. Honestly.
Mutie here appears to have been covered.
5/9/2012 2:44:11 AM
#1400617
Jezebel's Evil Sister
There still exists, to this day, tribes that have not yet invented what Self-Mutilation would consider writing. I guess these tribal people are not part of the human species according to what passes as fundie thinking.
5/9/2012 4:24:27 AM
#1400626
zoltán
"Before them are dozens of massive stone pillars arranged into a set of rings, one mashed up against the next. Known as Göbekli Tepe (pronounced Guh-behk-LEE TEH-peh), the site is vaguely reminiscent of Stonehenge, except that Göbekli Tepe was built much earlier and is made not from roughly hewn blocks but from cleanly carved limestone pillars splashed with bas-reliefs of animals—a cavalcade of gazelles, snakes, foxes, scorpions, and ferocious wild boars. The assemblage was built some 11,600 years ago, seven millennia before the Great Pyramid of Giza. It contains the oldest known temple. Indeed, Göbekli Tepe is the oldest known example of monumental architecture—the first structure human beings put together that was bigger and more complicated than a hut. When these pillars were erected, so far as we know, nothing of comparable scale existed in the world."
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text
5/9/2012 4:43:45 AM
#1400645
Canadiest
It's also even more important to note that when your Ussher created that abitrary date he was aware of 3 to 4 thousand years of spotty history already documented. So he shot for a safety zone of another couple thousand and, well, it stood up for awhile.
knowledge beats guess work every time
5/9/2012 5:00:17 AM
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