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#1400227
Frelus
First, Godwin.
Second, it was jews who were persecuted.
Afaik, the pope helped the axis.
(correct me if that is wrong please)
5/8/2012 3:46:49 AM
#1400231
gravematter
Yes, because expecting the Church to follow the laws of the land like everyone else is akin to persecution. Plus, Hitler was a Christian, dumbass. He did however ban atheist organisations.
5/8/2012 4:06:31 AM
#1400234
Agahnim
I'm going to call you Bishop Jerky and sodomize you with a fistful of jerky, then make you eat it.
5/8/2012 4:13:24 AM
#1400259
Reynardine
His religious liberties are curtailed because he can't have his very own Inquisition.
5/8/2012 4:36:12 AM
#1400265
Mister Spak
'Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country] ... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity ... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press—in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... [few] years.'
-The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922–1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871–872.
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 1
As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 3
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
5/8/2012 4:48:40 AM
#1400266
Mister Spak
Part 2
I had so often sung 'Deutschland ?ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5
Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.
- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7
What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8
By helping to lift the human being above the level of mere animal existence, Faith really contributes to consolidate and safeguard its own existence.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 2 Chapter 1
5/8/2012 4:50:03 AM
#1400267
Mister Spak
"And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity. If many wish today to take threatened Christianity under their protection, where, I would ask, was Christianity for them in these fourteen years when they went arm in arm with atheism? No, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these 14 years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government."
-Adolf Hitler, speech delivered at Stuttgart, February 15, 1933
"The Government of the Reich, which regards Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attaches the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See, and is endeavouring to develop them."art 3
"And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity. If many wish today to take threatened Christianity under their protection, where, I would ask, was Christianity for them in these fourteen years when they went arm in arm with atheism? No, never and at no time was greater internal damage done to Christianity than in these 14 years when a party, theoretically Christian, sat with those who denied God in one and the same Government."
-Adolf Hitler, speech delivered at Stuttgart, February 15, 1933
"The Government of the Reich, which regards Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attaches the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See, and is endeavouring to develop them."
5/8/2012 4:50:34 AM
#1400270
michael3ov
I could be wrong but I think there is only one Catholic church.
The one Catholic church that signed the concordant with Hitler?
5/8/2012 4:55:07 AM
#1400274
Bleep
Why, do I have a vision of a large bed, full of cardinals tucked up, clutching teddy bears, saucer eyed with terror as the Pope reads them a bedtime horror story about the evil Priest Eater who will get them if they forget to praise Jebus?
Do you think they stand in front of the mirror on ecclesiastical sleepovers at midnight and repeat "the priest eater" three times and then run away screaming before Clemenceau grabs them from behind?
5/8/2012 4:56:32 AM
#1400277
Selkie
But remember...there was some Catholic complicity with the Nazis. Don't suppose you'd care to address that inconvenient little detail.
5/8/2012 4:59:39 AM
#1400278
Brendan Rizzo
If you'll notice, the countries which have far less tolerance for religious bullshit are far better off. We should be imitating them, but we won't because the fundies have convinced the moderates that any reigning in of their excesses is synonymous with atheism. Even Obama has been fooled.
And of course, having to sell people things you don't like is so unlike persecution that the ADL should be suing these guys for all they've got.
5/8/2012 5:01:01 AM
#1400289
Extraintrovert
Yes, because ensuring people are allowed to make decisions regarding their own person is going to lead to banning people from making decisions regarding their own person. This is what fundies actually believe.
Also, the Catholic Church would NEVER prevent different people from practicing their religion in different ways. Just ask the Cathars. Oh wait, you can't, because you slaughtered them all.
@Mister Spak
Hitler was actually a Christian fundie? YOU DON'T SAY?
5/8/2012 5:10:32 AM
#1400290
Filin De Blanc
Help! People are actually expecting us to follow the law!
5/8/2012 5:12:38 AM
#1400291
Raised by Horses
Adolf Hitler's policies: Merge big business with the state, kill millions of Jews and Soviets along with multitudes of people of other national origins just for variety's sake.
Stalin's policies: Autocratic control of business by the state, marching soldiers off to war against the Nazis and political opponents to the gulags.
Obama's policies: Roll over to big business and banks in an attempt not to come across as overly leftist, go back on any promises to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because a) nobody can find either of those countries on a map, and b) who the fuck cares?
Yep, they're totally the same.
5/8/2012 5:13:25 AM
#1400293
Frelus
Ah, damn my cellphone refreshing.
5/8/2012 5:25:21 AM
#1400300
Leighton Buzzard
That would be the Protestant Count Otto von Bismarck, would it? Yeah, most persecution of Christians has been by ... other Christians. (Point of order, the Kulturkampf was confined to Prussia, not the whole of the German Reich).
I have no idea what the Clemenceau reference is to.
5/8/2012 5:36:33 AM
#1400305
\m/>_<\m/
watch out agahnim, for all we know, he might like it! [/brain bleach]
@Frelus: i don't know if the pope helped explicitely the axis, but i do know that it took nigh on 60 years for the church to apologize to the jews...
5/8/2012 5:43:18 AM
#1400306
Filin De Blanc
"“Clemenceau, nicknamed ‘the priest eater,"
That would be a great nickname for a fantasy character.
5/8/2012 5:45:33 AM
#1400316
Atheissimo
This wouldn't be the same Hitler that openly courted the Catholic church and received the Pope's blessing, would it?
5/8/2012 6:14:03 AM
#1400320
hatless
"...but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services and health care."
Three questions:
1) What education?
2) What social services?
3) What health care?
No, really, I'm curious.
5/8/2012 6:19:21 AM
#1400324
mrsyoungie
I don't get this objection. If all their sheep are good little Catholics then they just won't be purchasing birth control and it becomes a non-issue. There are lots of things covered by health plans that I have no intention of using. So I don't. Simple. For whatever reason. If your religion is so all amazing and wonderful, then none of your believers would want to contractict it, right?
5/8/2012 6:20:58 AM
#1400331
Doubting Thomas
Requiring the Catholic church to provide insurance which covers contraception to its employees =/= closing down every Catholic church, school, and hospital.
Of course if the church wants to throw a hissy fit like they did shutting down their adoption agencies rather than have to adopt children to gay couples and shut down their schools & hospitals, then that's their own fault.
5/8/2012 6:27:55 AM
#1400334
Swede
I don't understand; why would Catholics not recieve health care because more kinds of health care were included in the policies?
Contraceptives must be cheaper than abortions and orphanages, surely.
Hitler was against abortions and promoted Family Values, large white families preferably.
5/8/2012 6:36:03 AM
#1400339
Nicole
OH LORDY THE WORLD'S BIGGEST RELIGIOUS GROUP IS BEING PERSECUUUUUUUTED! HITLER! NAZIS! WAAAAAUUUUUGGGHHH!
5/8/2012 6:47:44 AM
#1400374
Mister Spak
@Extraintrovert:
Probably not Hitler, but his followers were. Which is why Hitler frequently hit on Christian values in his speeches.
5/8/2012 8:29:03 AM
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