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There is no such job title as "abortionist", just as there is no such title as "pap smearist" or "tonsilectomyist". The physician/abortion provider isn't "taking away" anything from a woman who is exhibiting common sense enough to be REQUESTING an abortion of her brainless fetus.
Too bad your compassion doesn't extend to the incubator, whose life, health and emotions would be seriously compromised by forcing her to carry to term and deliver a vegetable, nor to the vegetable itself, which, in the rare instance in which it may survive for a short time, would have to be sustained on tubes and machines.
4/21/2012 11:57:54 AM
First I was like: Well, it depends on the level of development of the fetus...
And then I looked up anencephalics because I didn't want to post and look like an idiot.
Then I was like: ...Really?... REALLY?!
4/21/2012 11:59:24 AM
To have a child born with this type of defect is absolutely heartbreaking and incredibly traumatic. I wouldn't wish it on any mother- hence, why there needs to be a choice. Either way, it's going to be very hard, and not a simple matter.
But he obviously doesn't understand that, because he'll never give birth.
4/21/2012 11:59:48 AM
And here is proof that fundies are lacking brains.
4/21/2012 12:15:01 PM
checkmatefoster full respect for their human dignity and their fragile and short lives
Next thing the Church will be putting those fetuses on life support and keeping them alive indefinately by totally artificial means.
So much for dignity.
Although there are noteworthy exceptions, when it comes down to it, the church doesn't know horse shit about dignity.
4/21/2012 12:44:52 PM
Jesus fuckin' Lich in a Barbie car. I bet if women were being infected by the gestating alien virus from the X Files, these fucktards would demand that they carry the gut-sucking extraterrestrial parasites to full term, even though the mother's insides would be devoured(and she would die a slow death).
4/21/2012 12:49:19 PM
These jackasses who talk about human dignity should have to visit a state institution for the mentally impaired. Row after row of beds with people with almost no mental function, who have to be fed and diapered. Huge rooms full of microcephalics and Down syndrome, crying, laughing, screaming, shoving. Real dignified.
And all of this prolonged misery paid for by us taxpayers. If you know you're going to give birth to a severely defective child that can never contribute anything to society, you should be asked to waive all government support. Ask your church to pay for the respirator, etc.
4/21/2012 12:57:52 PM
The Church has a proprietary interest in the brainless.
4/21/2012 1:09:16 PM
Who cares if their fragile short lives are filled with pain and suffering? Who cares that the pregnant woman's life may be in danger from this pregnancy? That's the way god intended it!
4/21/2012 3:52:12 PM
No brain, no kid. That simple. You're wasting your time and energy (and 'dignity') defending the rights of what basically amounts to a pork roast with a face. Not even that- at least the pork roast, at one point, had a life (if not full and productive, then at least ALIVE).
4/21/2012 4:20:44 PM
N. De Plume
What’s next? Decrying the removal of a fetus that is fully dead?
4/21/2012 4:49:06 PM
Because these anencephalics are future fundies.
4/21/2012 5:13:47 PM
I guess my problem here is that modern people are always looking for an easy way out. There is value in all life experienes, even the tragic ones. Even though the child may not have long to live, those precious moments the mother could spend with it are irreplaceable. They are a gift from God and who are we to decide that we're going to tamper with that gift?
4/21/2012 6:30:41 PM
The Cardinal is proof positive as to what becomes of people born without brians.
4/21/2012 6:32:20 PM
There you have it, folks--the Catholic Church insists you live without the use of your brain.
4/21/2012 7:17:20 PM
They have no brains! They're not the blob, they will die regardless. Tis much kinder to do it sooner than later, for both parties! Mindless cretins!
@His4Life, Oh wtf! An easy way out!? You spend 2 hours watching your own (now born) baby die an agonizing slow death. If you think that's easier, you sir, are a sociopath and or psychopath!
4/21/2012 7:25:36 PM
@His4Life: You don't seem to understand that this is a brain dead, deformed, perversion of a baby. You'd have better luck consoling yourself with a harlequin fetus, at least it's screaming torments shows some vestige of life. I really believe you don't comprehend the horror of what you want to force on people for no good reason, so allow me to enlighten you.
Notice the completly flat head that ends right at the eyes, that's because this thing is literally born without a brain. Literally, not figuratively, it has no brain at all and is dead the instant they cut the umbilical cord. At this point, the mindless, arbitrary nature of random chance is less cruel than insisting some intelligence wanted to inflict this on you. If I where a woman who squeezed this thing out of my vagina, I wouldn't be overcome with joy, I would want to know what I did wrong for God to curse both my and my genetic legacy with this abomination.
4/21/2012 7:49:12 PM
His For Life,
The problem is that these people want to force families and mothers to go through the birthing process of an, essentially, dead baby.
If the mother wished to go through with it or not is not the question. This isn't about forcing mothers to abort these anencephalics, it is about allowing them to choose not to. Because chances are not all of them are going to think as you do about their prospects.
4/21/2012 8:08:45 PM
@Osiris - Did you have to post that fucking picture? It's going to give me nightmares.
The part of the fetus that develops into most of the brain and the top part of the skull never develops. All they have is a brain stem. They may live for a few minutes or a few hours, but they are not and will never become a person.
Anencephaly doesn't cause any additional risks to the mother, so that's not really an issue.
Some people choose to continue the pregnancy, but it's not something that society should force on them. It should be their choice.
Anencephalics may look like a baby from the eyes down, but they lack the organ that makes us what we are.
4/21/2012 8:29:59 PM
What would priests and cardinals, who forsake family life for their "calling", know about the painful decisions parents, and parents to be, must sometimes face anyway? Their not the ones who have to watch these babies suffer and die with anguish in their hearts.
Several years ago, my cousin found out early on in her pregnancy that her baby was severely malformed and would, at best, live only a few hours after birth. She chose to abort rather than suffer through this, was pregnant again a couple months later and had a beautiful, healthy baby girl, who would not be here today had she not "taken the easy way out" and carried what was basically a dead baby walking to term.
Even her fundie brother was glad she did it. A few hours was a dead mass of cells is not worth the price of a lifetime with a happy healthy daughter.
4/21/2012 8:56:22 PM
“The anencephalics are living human beings... Society, through its institutions, should foster full respect for their human dignity and their fragile and short lives,” wrote Cardinal Odilo Scherer in an editorial condemning abortion that was published in the media.
Cardinal Scherer has confused a complex slab of meat with a live, feeling, conscious, human being...what an insult to humans!
In the Cardinal's theologies what does this say about the omnipotence and omnibeneficence of his god who looks over everybody and provides for them in every way? Does his god have lesser consideration for the anencephalic, the mother, and the family...or does he actually care?
Perhaps his god's sadism is beyond our simple human comprehension.
Would you wish this god upon anyone else, or even your worst enemy? If you would, then get thee to the nearest church and tell the priest, "Father, I want to be saved. Bathe me in the Blood of Jesus."
4/21/2012 9:06:27 PM
Actually this is one of the few instances where I can see why they are concerned:
If the presence of a functional brain is what defines personhood, then a significant portion of the Catholic clergy (as well as many other religious denominations) would not qualify.
4/21/2012 9:30:41 PM
@ScrappyB: Yes. I'm tired of H4L treating anencephaly as though it were something like cystic fibrosis or progeria, where you have an otherwise normal person who just happens to have a lethal genetic disease. There is no love, no joy, no gift found here. Forcing people to bring these things to term is a waste of everyone's time.
There is more to life than simply maintaining an internal homeostasis.
4/21/2012 10:21:47 PM
Please go to Google Images and look up 'brainless baby', or scroll up the page and look at Osiris' picture. Thank you. Now, please read the rest of my post.
When they say 'brainless baby', they are not being figurative. They mean brainless LITERALLY. As in, LACKING AN ACTUAL BRAIN. The time spent with such a 'baby' will be time spent in a hospital, staring at a horribly deformed, likely unreponsive...thing. It will be traumatising because it will not be a real baby capable of emotion or sensing your presence, and because that THING was growing inside your belly. And it will DIE very soon. An abortion, should you choose to have one, would spare you the pain of seeing it and learning of its death, which would happen no matter what you did.
But then, I'm guessing you don't have a womb, so you couldn't imagine the horror of seeing a deformed alien pop out of your nether regions. ):
Holy night terrors, Batman!
4/21/2012 11:03:04 PM
I guess my problem here is that modern people are always looking for an easy way out. ...[therefore we shouldn't allow people the option of aborting fetuses that are not viable]<<
That is an incredibly stupid argument. Taking an "easy way out" is not a bad thing. You and I are both alive right now because of easy ways out - vaccination campaigns, the Green Revolution, antibiotics, airbags, and on and on.
I do not care what you assert is a gift from God. What I care about is reducing human suffering. And in the event of a woman wanting to abort an anencephalic fetus, to save herself and everyone around her pain, I will respect her judgement.
>>Even though the child may not have long to live, those precious moments the mother could spend with it are irreplaceable.<<
Echoing everybody else here: an anencephalic fetus is not a child in any normal sense.
It is no more a human being than I would be if somebody blew the top half of my head apart with a bullet and by some chance my heart kept on beating. In that case, my wife and my advance medical directives both would say to take any organs that somebody else could use and cremate the rest.
4/21/2012 11:14:17 PM
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