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#1394217
Lizuka
Mormons are Christian, the founders were not, and Islam was around back then and they were well-aware of it.
4/20/2012 3:50:16 AM
#1394238
jsonitsac
1. Joseph Smith started the Mormons in the 1830s and was discriminated against by people other than the Founding Fathers.
2. "Where the preamble [of the Virginia Statue for Religious Freedom (the basis of the First Amendment)] declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
-Thomas Jefferson
4/20/2012 4:13:28 AM
#1394248
Leighton Buzzard
Incoherent shit. AFAIK, the LDS wasn't ever officially suppressed by government. Some of their practices were deemed illegal, and sometimes they were attacked by mobs and assassins, but that ain't the same thing.
4/20/2012 4:28:27 AM
#1394261
Amadan
The last state barrier to Jews holding public office (in New Hampshire) wasn't eliminated until 1877. I bet the Founders meant us to draw a lesson from that too, Bryan?
4/20/2012 4:51:32 AM
#1394273
Mister Spak
"My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion. "
Find the words 'christian' or 'bible' or 'Jesus' in the constitution. You can't!
Know why? Because they aren't there.
4/20/2012 5:01:12 AM
#1394283
My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion.
When one reads the 1st Ammendment's Free-Exercise Clause, "...nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" there are two possibilities one can imagine:
1) The Founding Fathers did intend for the 1st Ammendment to apply only to Christianity. If so, then it is to their utter failure and near-sightedness that they did not explicitly express as such in the Bill of Rights. The "Invasion of Islam" and "Sharia creep" can be directly and squarely blamed on the Founding Fathers for preventing this by including the necessary qualifier in the 1st Ammendment language.
2) They truly intended freedom for all religions, not just Christianity.
4/20/2012 5:14:51 AM
#1394288
Brendan Rizzo
This is the last time we will say this, Bryan. Many of the Founding Fathers were deists. They weren't going to give Christianity special treatment.
Also, I find it strange that the only people who call out the LDS church on its obviously fraudulent origins are frauds themselves.
4/20/2012 5:20:23 AM
#1394298
Canadiest
How many cults have been born out of Fundamentalist churchs with leaders who took many wives as it's BIBLICALLY supported?
Fucking Hypocrites all y'all.
That type of marriage agreements (and incest and underage marriages)would be rampant were it not for secular laws based on non-religious values.
Your Christianity has no high ground in morals or actions, no matter what sect you've allied yourself with.
4/20/2012 5:35:48 AM
#1394324
dionysus
Even if we assume that the founding fathers meant "freedom of religion, but only for Christians", tough nuts, they didn't write that, they wrote freedom of all (or at least unspecified) religion into our laws and Constitution. If it was a mistake then the founders should have proof-read it because now the Constitution, as written, is legally binding. If the founders only wanted Christians to have freedom then they fucked up and now you have to suck it up because the only way to change it now is through revolution and the US has that giant military budget you fundie Christians keep insisting it must have. How does it feel to be hoisted by your own petard not once, but twice? >:).
4/20/2012 6:14:51 AM
#1394380
Doubting Thomas
Guess you've never heard of the Establishment Clause. Just further proof that fundies think that "freedom of religion" really means "freedom of Christianity."
4/20/2012 7:21:42 AM
#1394390
Fundies Make Me Sick
"My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion."
Your argument is invalid. The First Amendment protects the free exercise of ALL religions. This county was not founded as a Christian nation. You are wrong, you are a bigot, and have a sociopathic attitude. I sincerely hope you die soon.
4/20/2012 7:34:50 AM
#1394396
Osiris
Treaty of Tripoli.
4/20/2012 7:42:23 AM
#1394407
Paler_Face
My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion.
Along with all other possible religious positions, including momroonism, and not having any.
Your personal distaste for mormonism does not translate to law just because you want it to.
4/20/2012 7:47:41 AM
#1394417
Thinking Allowed
Let's see...
The U.S. Constitution was finally ratified on on June 21, 1788. The LDS church was formed on April 6, 1830. For that matter, the founder of the LDS church Joseph Smith was born on December 23, 1805, 22 year AFTER the Constitution was ratified. I think you're failing somewhere there.
4/20/2012 7:56:19 AM
#1394418
Dr.Shrinker
"My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion."
- Then your argument has been wrong all along.
4/20/2012 7:57:27 AM
#1394462
Mystik Spiral
4/20/2012 9:00:29 AM
#1394489
John_in_Oz
Oh noes! They practised polygamous marriage just like the kind the Jews practised in Jesus time which Jesus spoke in favour of in the Bible!
4/20/2012 10:01:11 AM
#1394511
Skatepunk
Thomas Jefferson owned a Qu'ran.
That alone invalidates the "Christian First Amendment" argument.
I can't wait to see how this bastard reacts when he's forced to choose between Romney (a Mormon) and Obama (a Christian who is "not Christian enough").
4/20/2012 10:45:00 AM
#1394582
checkmate
it just is not.
Well then, if you put it that way, it must be true.
Mormonism is not an orthodox Christian faith. It just is not.
Listen up dude, anything outside of the Holy Roman Catholic Church is "not an orthodox Christian faith", especially not all those heretical Baptists, so shut the fuck up on your way down to Hell. ;-)
4/20/2012 12:09:34 PM
#1394619
nazani14
If these nuts got their way and the US legally became a Christian nation, sectarian violence would break out within a year.
4/20/2012 1:26:42 PM
#1394670
Old Viking
This borders on total incoherence.
4/20/2012 3:50:28 PM
#1394680
tranz2deep
And your argument was wrong then, is now, and will be forever.
Mostly because you're Lying for Yourself, yet again, trying to Lie for Christ and play God in the same breath.
4/20/2012 4:44:32 PM
#1394733
Agahnim
No, you idiotic, pathetic fuckwit, it protects all religions, including the LDS church, Islam, and Judaism (the last of which worshiped your God before your religion even existed).
4/21/2012 12:32:43 AM
#1394741
Justanotheratheist
The First Amendment says what it says, not what you wish it said. But the only way fundies might get the message is if we wrote "America is not a Christian Nation" on a nuclear warhead, and then shoved it up their arsehole.
4/21/2012 1:06:44 AM
#1394799
LAchlan
I think you'll find.... oh wait, it's Bryan. I'll not bother.
4/21/2012 7:43:28 AM
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