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#1400030
dfmfundies
@ #1400005:
"...it was utterly unscientific for Sen. Bill Frist to diagnose Terri Schiavo's medical condition from the Senate floor..."
That's because the last time we checked, Bill Frist wasn't a medical doctor so his opinion was worthless.
Actually, Frist is a doctor, a cardiac surgeon. What made his "diagnosis" worthless was that he never actually examined Schiavo, reaching his opinion based on an edited videotape.
5/7/2012 10:56:59 AM
#1400071
Old Viking
A circuitous path to a non-existent point.
5/7/2012 1:19:48 PM
#1400072
Toothygrin
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
5/7/2012 1:21:41 PM
#1400075
Doubting Thomas
I've often believed that at least most homophobes are closet homosexuals, especially the ones who describe gay sex in graphic detail.
5/7/2012 1:28:50 PM
#1400081
Frelus
And especially those you can almost hear fapping to it.
(Oh, damn, those two groups are the same)
5/7/2012 1:41:55 PM
#1400095
Joe Mama
Secular leftists hate it when conservatives bring religion into politics, arguing it's unfair to say God favors the Republican agenda. But then they turn around and bring science into politics, insisting that science favors the liberal agenda, that "reality has a liberal bias."
The problem with this rant of impotent rage is that the US Constitution specifically prohibits religion being put into our politics, yet says absolutely nothing about prohibiting science mixing with politics, thereby allowing it.
5/7/2012 2:19:44 PM
#1400103
Homophobe
I think gays are sick, perverted people who just want to take their hard, throbbing cocks and thrust them into a waiting, warm anus and then keep thrusting back & forth until their hard, athletic muscles glisten and the musky aroma of sweat fills the air as the sound of grunts gets louder as man spunk spews into the rectum at the moment of climax.
Dammit! Why do I keep getting a hard on when trying to tell people how icky gay sex is? Gotta be those damn gays trying to make me think of them all the time. I've got to go pray the gay away some more. Maybe playing some Elton John or Village People will help me concentrate.
5/7/2012 2:33:03 PM
#1400108
Kevin Klawitter
@Veras_the_Brujah
Brent is talking about a more recent study that DID measure unconscious stuff. Here's an excerpt from an article:
Our paper describes six studies conducted in the United States and Germany involving 784 university students. Participants rated their sexual orientation on a 10-point scale, ranging from gay to straight. Then they took a computer-administered test designed to measure their implicit sexual orientation. In the test, the participants were shown images and words indicative of hetero- and homosexuality (pictures of same-sex and straight couples, words like “homosexual” and “gay”) and were asked to sort them into the appropriate category, gay or straight, as quickly as possible. The computer measured their reaction times.
The twist was that before each word and image appeared, the word “me” or “other” was flashed on the screen for 35 milliseconds — long enough for participants to subliminally process the word but short enough that they could not consciously see it. The theory here, known as semantic association, is that when “me” precedes words or images that reflect your sexual orientation (for example, heterosexual images for a straight person), you will sort these images into the correct category faster than when “me” precedes words or images that are incongruent with your sexual orientation (for example, homosexual images for a straight person). This technique, adapted from similar tests used to assess attitudes like subconscious racial bias, reliably distinguishes between self-identified straight individuals and those who self-identify as lesbian, gay or bisexual.
5/7/2012 2:48:19 PM
#1400109
Kevin Klawitter(cont'd)
Using this methodology we identified a subgroup of participants who, despite self-identifying as highly straight, indicated some level of same-sex attraction (that is, they associated “me” with gay-related words and pictures faster than they associated “me” with straight-related words and pictures). Over 20 percent of self-described highly straight individuals showed this discrepancy.
Notably, these “discrepant” individuals were also significantly more likely than other participants to favor anti-gay policies; to be willing to assign significantly harsher punishments to perpetrators of petty crimes if they were presumed to be homosexual; and to express greater implicit hostility toward gay subjects (also measured with the help of subliminal priming). Thus our research suggests that some who oppose homosexuality do tacitly harbor same-sex attraction.
What leads to this repression? We found that participants who reported having supportive and accepting parents were more in touch with their implicit sexual orientation and less susceptible to homophobia. Individuals whose sexual identity was at odds with their implicit sexual attraction were much more frequently raised by parents perceived to be controlling, less accepting and more prejudiced against homosexuals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html
5/7/2012 2:49:10 PM
#1400117
Mudak
First, Bill Frist, as a doctor, should have known better than to diagnose Terri Schiavo from the Senate floor because good medicine is actually looking at all of the evidence and not just a sixty-second video. Personally, I thought that move was little more than political grandstanding.
Second, don't dismiss any scientific study out-of-hand until you've read it. If you see a study related to something you might not like, check out the hypothesis, how they controlled for it, and the conclusions of the study. Judge it based upon the sample size, how it could be falsifiable, and factor out the authors' biases. If you can do that and still take issue with the study, then by all means say and do so. There is more than one study on the relationship between homophobia and repressed same-sex desires, some of which are more reliable than others...
(And, frankly, this also holds true when judging supreme court decisions you might not otherwise agree with...)
5/7/2012 4:00:31 PM
#1400146
CharlieE
"What if you're a religious parent who feels that the homosexual lifestyle is sinful, at odds with what God intended for humanity? "
Well, if you believe that, you're obviously insane, since there is no logical reason to believe that.
5/7/2012 7:08:44 PM
#1400148
Iel
Okay, I just took the Advanced Placement Psychology exam, so I'm qualified to say little more than "hmmm..." and read the DSM-IV.
But I'm also a writer, and I can tell you this: the lady doth protest too much. Phrase from Shakespeare, who had his finger on the pulse of human nature, and human nature isn't likely to change. You can read humanity from our literature and our dramatic visual media, and this is it: often, one hates worst the things that embody the qualities about ourselves that we despise. So yeah, extreme irrational homophobe equalling repressed homosexual makes plenty of goddamn sense, storywise and characterwise.
5/7/2012 7:28:24 PM
#1400152
Sounds like he's mad at being called out for what he is.
5/7/2012 8:10:24 PM
#1400203
Funny how you only ever see God's plan in things YOU like, but when it's something you don't like, like the fact that gay people are born that way, you refuse to acknowledge it as part of His plan.
Kind of like when you say God favors the Republican agenda, when that agenda goes against everything that Jesus taught.
5/8/2012 1:30:10 AM
#1400204
Sylvana
I just find it funny how a study linking homophobia to same sex desires gets linked to Terri Schiavo and politics and religion. I have seen protesting too much, and then you get this.
5/8/2012 1:31:01 AM
#1400217
Mithras
Conservatives: "We're right because our sky god said so!"
Progressives: "We're right because - here, have some scientific evidence!"
Tell me how there's no difference between those.
Also, I know there are quite a few dumb liberals and non-religious conservatives, but this seems to be the trend, at least in the US.
5/8/2012 3:09:09 AM
#1400240
Agahnim
Fundies do tend to be controlling, authoritarian, and hateful, not just parents, but fundie parents brainwash their kids.. And God can't favor any agenda if he doesn't exist.
5/8/2012 4:17:29 AM
#1400261
rebel
Science does not care about your preconceived notions about anything. Science does care about your feelings, nor opinions. It deals with evidence. Deal with it.
5/8/2012 4:39:16 AM
#1400312
Alkonium
Yes, because ranting and complaining really makes you seem secure in your sexuality.
5/8/2012 5:57:51 AM
#1400370
Reckoner
Bozell always reminds me of Walter Peck from Ghostbusters. And it is true, this man has no dick.
5/8/2012 8:10:25 AM
#1400379
aaa
Your rants are boring, try getting in more vitriol next time.
5/8/2012 9:11:47 AM
#1400409
nazani14
Barry Goldwater hated it when conservatives brought religion into politics. Look it up.
Bozell and his ilk were all pro-psychology just a few decades ago when psychologists were blaming homosexuality on mothers. Then they promoted the idea that children were being abused and killed by satanic covens, and they loved those academics who helped create the excessive reaction to psychotropic drugs.
Let's imagine that Romney got elected and the US started circling the drain even faster. The Right would probably blame his failure on his Mormonism, rather than admit that their ideology just doesn't work.
5/8/2012 10:59:55 AM
#1400527
Thoth
As someone who spent grad school specializing in authoritarianism psychology--you make an excellent RWA. Jawohl Mein Fu--Mr. President
5/8/2012 6:32:44 PM
#1400528
TheLastCenturion
Reality does not have a liberal bias. its not our fault that natural laws imply that there is no need for a god. and god has nothing to do with politics in a secular government. the whole "shall not make any law regarding religion" thing. and it is also not our fault that your religion promotes hatred and violence. the only reason that we bring science into politics, is because you brought religion in first.
5/8/2012 6:38:42 PM
#1400562
MBulletin
I don't know if you know of a place called Manteca, CA Mr. Brent "Bozo" Bozell, but you are frequently published there.
I fuckin' hate republitards.
5/8/2012 9:50:29 PM
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