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Of course, the bible was also used to justify slavery by those who wanted to continue the institution. It just goes to show what a load of bullshit the bible is. If it is a perfect book, written or inspired by the omnibenevolent creator of the universe it should have been crytal clear that slavery is at least as much of an abomination as two men engaging in oral sex.
4/11/2012 8:29:23 AM
Well you Christians have a piss-poor reading comprehension if it took you nearly 2000 years to "get it" about slavery.
Oh wait...Southerners used the Bible (OT and NT) to justify owning slaves.
Now go fuck off, you demonizing, slavery-apologist.
4/11/2012 8:34:57 AM
jesus-face-tortilla for the win, and,
John Locke. Now STFU you possibly well-meaning but ignorant twit. The Bible is an owner's manual for population control that can be used to prove anything that's useful at the moment. Love your neighbor, kill them heathens, etc., etc.
4/11/2012 8:56:15 AM
Someone didn't read their bible this morning...did they?
4/11/2012 9:00:24 AM
Where in the New Testament is the condemnation of slavery? Nowhere. There are numerous quotes in the New Testament exhorting slaves to obey their masters in all things.
Mark Shea needs to read the Bible again.
4/11/2012 9:13:49 AM
Why do I have a feeling that there are more Atheists than Christians (both percentage-wise and in absolute numbers) who actually read the Bible?
Someone who has actually read the book cannot be so ignorant of its contents.
4/11/2012 9:35:03 AM
Britain abolished slavery in 1833. The U.S. did in 1865. You'd think a god could work a little faster that that (and not need a war in the U.S., either).
4/11/2012 9:59:43 AM
This mere days after someone used the very same bullshit to defend slavery. Hey, I wonder if I can use the bible to defend gay marriage? I BET I CAN!
4/11/2012 10:31:59 AM
"People who read the Bible looking for more than Selected Ammunition Verses, would realize that contained within the New Testament is, ultimately, the only thing that succeeded in finally extirpating slavery: namely, the insistence that man is made in the image and likeness of God and that Christ loves the slave as much as the master."
Curious that the Bible, supposedly the word of the omnipotent, omniscient God, needs to be rear in a certain way for one to understand it's anti-slavery message... unlike, maybe, just writing down that slavery is wrong. Pardon my "deep ignorance and arrogance."
4/11/2012 10:53:46 AM
hey, give my people some credit. what about the dutch slave trade? you know, the one that made rediculous amounts of money capturing slaves in africa and selling them to rich landowners in the states? im pretty sure that happened after christ established the equality of men.
and dont be such a damned hypocrite. catholics founded the idea of indentured servitude(read:slavery) to get around that exact rule. you all make me sick.
4/11/2012 11:30:02 AM
You deserve to be booted in the baws - to death.
4/11/2012 11:32:40 AM
Funnily enough, you CAN. You know that story about Jesus healing the servant of that centurion? Well, in the original Greek text, supposedly the word used for servant specifically means "homosexual partner". You learn something new every day...
4/11/2012 11:48:34 AM
The dragon's death is agonizingly slow.
4/11/2012 12:44:36 PM
There is slavery right here in America, it's called the sex trade.
4/11/2012 12:49:02 PM
Big Jilm Again
And you'd think if God was so against slavery, it would have been one of the Ten Commandments.
Thou Shall Not Enslave Another Human Being.
But then that would fuck up the building blocks for the Conservative economic model.
God would rather instruct humans to kiss his ass rather than treat each other right.
Your religion is fuct!
4/11/2012 12:54:15 PM
The abolitionist movement in America and Britain was a Christian movement organized in churches, by people who were devout Christians. But the slavers in the South were also Christian and likewise used their own Biblical rhetoric. The South African system of apartheid was specifically rooted in that country's interpretation of the Bible. The reality is that Christians who have been both pro and anti slavery used the Bible to support and justify their positions. They were able to do so because the Bible contains just as many verses that support slavery as it does verses that appear to condemn it.
This is not like the New Atheist movement. To New Atheists slavery is abhorrent. Not one atheists has ever spoken in favor of it, and unlike Christians, atheists have no higher authority to call upon to justify slavery in the first place.
4/11/2012 1:44:25 PM
Double posted. I have no idea why.
4/11/2012 1:45:11 PM
"The mystical dogma of human equality in the eye’s of God (and that is what it is, not an empirical observation based on reason) is the only thing that has ever succeeded in killing the dragon of slavery"
John Locke believed in the equality of man under God (and argued against slavery in most circumstances in Second Treatise).
John Locke also held shares in slaveholding companies.
4/11/2012 2:34:15 PM
Eh? What 'ammunition verses'?
The Bible is the perfect divinely inspired 'word of God'. How can there be ammunition verses of which you are ashamed?
4/11/2012 2:54:12 PM
Don't you just love when crazy assholes tell you what your opinion is and then foam at the mouth when you tell the otherwise?
I wonder how readily this shithead would call for the return of Christ-appoved slavery if all the Christians of the world made up the slave population?
I for one still wouldn't approve.
4/11/2012 3:39:38 PM
Jesus may love the slave as much as the master, but He also wants the slaves to continue living AS SLAVES:
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
-- Ephesians 6:5
4/11/2012 3:45:51 PM
Mark Shea is right, in a very limited sense.
The Abolitionist movement in the U.S., which eventually led to the Civil War, was unequivocably a Christian movement.
Of course, the slaveholders in the South were equally Christian, and were just as quick to dredge up other Bible verses that defended the practice of slavery....
4/11/2012 3:55:29 PM
Stop Lying For Christ!!
Slaver used the Bible to **justify** slavery and you know it.
This, then is the classic Xian tactic--claiming the credit for all good sides of any action while denying any other factor or opposition to the Church had anything to do with it.
Let me spell this out; outright slavery aside, so-called God-fearing whites burned churches blacks went to because the preachers there dared speak to racial equality.
Stop. Lying. For. Christ.
The Bible and Christianity had absolutely NOTHING to do with the anti-slavery movement and quite a few that fought against it used the Church as an excuse factory--just like you.
4/11/2012 4:48:31 PM
@Tracer: To be fair to Jesus, which I don't usually bother doing, Ephesians is a letter from Paul. Jesus didn't generally talk about himself as an absolute authority that had to be obeyed, especially not that blatantly, because he wasn't seen as a deity yet when he was alive. He also was unreliably concerned with the fabric of society.
Paul was a dick. He also made Christianity something that could survive and thrive in the temporal world that persisted in not ending, and adapt itself to many converts.
4/11/2012 7:53:40 PM
I'll admit there were some sane Christians against slavery, but it's still in your Old Testament, which you fundies love to bring out to support your anti- gay "argument" (for example) whilst ignoring all other rules. You can use said Bible to justify slavery or not. How very moral of you Christians. /Sarcasm -_-
4/11/2012 9:02:35 PM
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