Post hoc, ergo propter hoc, hm? Guess what: everything that happens in our experience of the universe is either before something else, simultaneous with something else, or after something else. You need a Hell of a lot more to prove a nexus, and there you have failed, legally and scientifically.
4/11/2012 12:16:51 PM
Prayer has not been outlawed in public schools.
4/11/2012 1:00:02 PM
When I first went to school we sang a psalm at the beginning of the day and one at the end, and we had a state church. Since then we have dispensed with the state church, and I don't think they sing psalms in school any more.
We had no school shootings when I was little, and we still have no school shootings nowadays.
Perhaps because we have very few guns astray; only police officers and registered hunters are allowed to have guns, and the guns should be locked away in a special safe, with the bullet locked away elsewhere.
The fact that some volunteer guard can shoot a dark-skinned kid and not even be arrested is a mystery to all of Europe. He should at least be arrested and tried in a court of law, and if they concluded that he really was threatened by the scrawny kid, he should get some kind of leniency on his sentence. At the very least it should be reckless endangerment.
To us over here it seems that Trayvon's capital crime was "walking while black".
4/11/2012 1:21:05 PM
Blue the Thief
4/11/2012 1:58:47 PM
Tell your fellow europeans that this happened because
1. Floridas nutty stand your ground law combined with
2. lack of evidence about what exactly happened
did not leave the prosecutor probable cause to arrest Zimmerman.
Florida has that nutty law because America has lots of nutty fundies who are very motivated to pass nutty laws, resulting in nutty things like this happening.
4/11/2012 2:22:35 PM
You do know that the first recored instance of school violence in this nation was in the 18th century, right?
4/11/2012 2:41:00 PM
In short, unless the killer is actually a, you know, kid, we can expect you to send mad Xian killers to shoot up our schools until we toe your line.
4/11/2012 5:00:02 PM
I have a sure fire solution to eliminating school shootings. ELIMINATE GUNS!
4/11/2012 6:04:02 PM
If prayer stops bullets, why does the Pope have a bulletproof vehicle?
Also,am I the only one who finds it ironic that these conservative types are the ones who are usually pro-gun?
4/11/2012 6:06:53 PM
@ Mister Spak
I heard on the news this morning that he has now been arrested and will stand trial. Our faith in humanity has been restored, somewhat.
4/11/2012 10:12:33 PM
I seriously think that the whole constitutional amendment allowing American citizens to constitutionally own enough weapons to invade a small country is more to blame than prayer. I honestly still cannot get how gun ownership is a fundamental human right to be enshrined in a nations constitution. School children's parents can get access to assault rifles or sub-machine guns quite easily, is it any wonder that these children get hold of these guns and go on killing sprees?
4/12/2012 12:11:58 AM
There is less here than meets the eye.
This arrest happened because of sustained nationwide anger. Don't forget that this shooting happened weeks before it became news. No arrest happened because the nutty law made it nearly impossible to get a conviction.
This arrest, motivated by publicity not legal reality is just a media circus created by the authorities to counteract their public relations problems. The difficulty in getting a conviction still exists because the nutty law allows Zimmerman to do what he did.
4/12/2012 5:34:15 AM
"What the poster is completely ignorant of is that this was at a Christian college, the gunman was 43 years old, a former student and is a Korean national."
Uh no. Charles Whitman was 25, a former Marine, an American & later found to have a brain tumor. The University of Texas is a state school, not a Christian school.
4/12/2012 6:36:55 AM
What kind of fucked up world do these people live in where not forcing kids to pray in school turns them into rampaging mass murderers? Are they really trying to convince everyone that good little Christian kids who now have to pray on their own are going to start packing heat and blowing away their classmates because the teacher doesn't lead the class in the Our Father every morning?
4/12/2012 7:04:19 AM
"Instead of prayer in school, we have guns". Doesn't make any sense. You would've had the guns anyway, with or without the prayer. Prayer doesn't magically make guns dissolve.
Perhaps you have had an increase in school shootings because 1, It's far too easy for kids to get hold of guns. and 2, There's blanket sensationalised media coverage of them which encourages copycat shootings?
You want prayer in schools, but presumably you also think the second amendment is a gift from God. Well, the easier it is to get hold of guns, the more people are going to get shot.
4/12/2012 9:13:59 AM
Riiigghht. School shootings are caused by lack of overt, government sponsored prayers in public schools.
You know, fluorescent lighting was caused by the allies defeating Hitler. Think about it. The number of fluorescent fixtures has skyrocketed since 1945.
And, remember, almost all serial killers ate bread within a day or two of the onset of their crimes.
4/12/2012 1:00:16 PM
This has nothing to do with the subject, but you made me curious. I'm 22, Swedish, and I've never heard a prayer in school (except the teacher reading out of a bible at Christmas to teach us why we celebrated it). When did you go to school?
4/13/2012 6:23:31 AM
Perhaps if you people started addressing larger sociological issues with some serious cash, you might be able to prevent school shootings more often.
4/13/2012 12:01:38 PM
1. Talk about comparing apples to oranges...what the heck does removing prayer from schools have to do with SHOOTINGS?!
2. I have a feeling that these are the same people who would blame the condition of schools on the fact that they allow "witchcraft" (a religion) in schools (Harry Potter books and any other books or movies with the word "magic" in them; and/or Halloween parties)
3. This doesn't leave any room for personal responsibility-it's blamed on this decision made by somebody named Madalyn Murray O'Hair...yeeeeaaahhh, it's HER fault some psycho shot up Virginia Tech...pffffttt!
4/13/2012 3:02:30 PM
And what is your explanation for the virtual non-existence of school shootings in other overwhelmingly secular countries?
You think it might have something to do with their reasonable gun laws and the attempt by certain groups in the U.S. to get people to have a handgun for every finger?
The U.S. has the most guns and the most gun violence gun violence. We also have the most lax gun laws thanks to people who abuse the second amendment and pretend they are upholding the ideas of the founders. The founders, most of them at least, were men of reason. They would want us to use reason and do what is right for the current circumstances, not dogmatically follow what they wrote in an entirely different world 236 years ago.
4/14/2012 4:52:45 AM
Prayer has never been banned in schools. You are wrong and/or lying.
4/14/2012 1:42:51 PM
I guess if you are deluded enough you can take post hoc reasoning to the absolute extreme, and causally connect two events that are not even related in space and time.
4/21/2013 6:02:20 AM
Or you could just admit that people like you take a "get over it" policy to the mental health issues of children, completely ignoring them until they erupt in violence. However, you, along with the good, moral people of the NRA, would much rather not admit that because it calls into question both of your choices of action.
Quit using tragedy to promote your ridiculous ideas. You make me sick.
4/21/2013 10:28:19 AM