I love it when someone so nauseatingly ignorant of basic history tries to act as an authority on the matter. South Africa is hardly a land of milk and honey, but it is a LOT better now than under Apartheid. And yes Mandella was a terrorist, because that's what he was called by the brutal, oppressive government he was fighting against. I'm sure the implications of that statement will fly right over your head.
4/11/2012 4:52:43 AM
Can we call them racists now?
4/11/2012 5:26:00 AM
"Nothing else has ever worked"
You lot never have TRIED anything else. So you're in no position to decide what works or not.
4/11/2012 5:26:31 AM
Sylvana! Get in here and lay the smack on this guy please. I think you would know more about the situation than any of the rest of us.
4/11/2012 8:36:54 AM
During the second world war, the American government tried to get British pubs to segregate- some would have been blacks only, some (I suspect the more salubrious ones) whites only. And we told you to stick that idea up your collective arses. And then American GIs would get involved in fights with blacks, and the Brits would often wade in - siding with the black guys.
Because this is about mutual trust and respect. Britain (mostly) had it even then, and now America's got the idea. Only bigoted twats like you are stuck in the past, and for some reason think that your bigotry is the fault of black people.
4/11/2012 11:33:57 AM
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.
The definition of a terrorist is a sub-state actor who uses violence against civilians to make a political point, this is something that Mandela definitely was involved in, therefore by the definition he was indeed a terrorist.
People need to stop using the label "terrorist" to describe someone they disagree with, and they need to stop shying away from using it to label those they do agree with when it is in fact the case.
4/11/2012 12:29:11 PM
Well, this is the first I've heard about it. If that's true, then... SONOVABITCH! At least I thought that back in the forties America was no more racist than Britain but you had to disabuse me of that notion, didn't you? Why must Americans be behind on EVERYTHING?! Every single American GI was highly racist and COULD NOT ABIDE the mere notion of hanging out in the same bars as black people, while the saintly British were completely open-minded and non-prejudiced in the matter. This has sent me over the line... clearly there is NOTHING about US history or culture that can be redeemed. Even today you have people such as the OP demanding a return to the Jim Crow era, and they have the support of anybody who supported such hypocrites as Santorum the Papist, Gingrich the Adulterer, and Romney the Weak-Willed. Meanwhile, all of our freedoms are being steadfastly eroded by parasitic corporations who have every member of government in their pockets, thus allowing them to get away with every felony ever described by jurisprudence, up to and including HIGH TREASON against the United States and its people. And of course our cops are corrupt almost to a man, believing that they have carte blanche to murder any black person they see, consequences be damned, and stop at nothing to destroy democracy. I want NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE!
Oh, and anonymous poster? I totally blame you for this. ;-)
4/11/2012 12:29:45 PM
@ Brendan Rizzo
It is true that American GIs were surprised at the total lack of segregation in Britain, and there were moves to introduce segregation in areas that Americans were stationed.
However, I wouldn't be totally down on America. A great reason for this was that there simply weren't all that many black people in Britain at the time. Though there have been black people in Britain since Roman times, slaves never settled in Britain and displaced black people from the army who could have settled in Britain tended to go to the warmer colonies that were more like home.
Black populations tended to be centred in the industrial cities, the countryside areas where American bases were hosted were probably 99 or 100% white. Some probably still are.
It's only since the 50s when the Government imported cheap black labour from the Caribbean and African colonies to replace the war dead that really sizeable black populations sprang up.
Black people still only make up 2% of the population.
4/11/2012 12:45:54 PM
I'm more upset about the British siding with the blacks, thus proving, PROVING, beyond the merest shadow of a doubt, that the British are less racist than the Americans. And it wasn't just Britain which recognized how backward America was... around the same time there was a Swedish sociologist who wrote a book about American segregation called something like "An American Dilemma" so every democratic country in Europe had totally repudiated racism long before that happend on my side of the Atlantic. This is not at all helpful to my self-esteem. Pretty much every good thing about the US mentioned in history books is propaganda and I am only just now finding this out. I want America to adopt European attitudes towards religion and politics wholesale, as it has become clear that Western Europe and Canada are the only places in the entire world that have got it right. It is completely unacceptable in those places to wear one's religion on one's sleeve. In contrast, in the ironically-called "Land of the Free" it is almost impossible to become elected to high office UNLESS one expresses belief in evangelical, fundamentalist Christianity.
4/11/2012 1:01:55 PM
The truth is that Nelson Mandela is a leader who reined in the ANC from a campaign of total revenge for each crime commited by the apartheid democracy.
Mandela himself is not known to have either tortured or murdered anyone, but was imprisoned for conspiring to manipulate sympathy for communism.
He was himself tortured repeatedly over the decades of his captivity.
Mandela is indeed a terrorist. As is every colonized person who dares raise their own face up out of the dirt.
4/11/2012 2:01:35 PM
Your country may not be the paradise that propaganda makes it out to be, but it isnt all bad either.
America has a few good things going for it as well.
4/11/2012 2:14:44 PM
I highly doubt every GI in WWII was a racist. Were some of them racists? Undoubtably. Were the ones in charge racists? Some of them probably were. Were all of them racists? Facts are not in evidence.
Canada and European countries have done some pretty shitty things over the years that were motivated by racism. Some in the not-so-distant past.
4/11/2012 4:53:08 PM
D Laurier: "The truth is that Nelson Mandela is a leader who reined in the ANC from a campaign of total revenge for each crime commited by the apartheid democracy."
And the racists might say "So, the ANC really DID want to slaughter the Boer, only to be held back by Nelson Mandela?"
They'll find any excuse to demonize.
4/11/2012 6:21:08 PM
I'd just like to know, given the above, WHY, even in the most philosophically enlightened places of Earth, racism and tribalism are so difficult to utterly dispel. What is to be lost by treating the Other honorably and kindly? (No, glory is NOT a valid answer, being utterly worthless and incompatible with honor. Glory is just a form of puffing-up...)
4/11/2012 8:26:44 PM
skyknight's got my voice for his question too.
RE: OP: yeah, yeah, and he was black to boot! up yours, asswipe.
if this keeps up, i'm labelling my race as "pixel/virtual" instead of "human". no way am i staying in this world when VR is so inviting
4/12/2012 12:55:08 AM
What have we done?! It seems we've driven Brendan Rizzo mad beyond help :(
4/12/2012 2:46:03 AM
...what alternate reality did this come from? Do you even know who Nelson Mandela is?
4/12/2012 4:31:25 AM
"Terrorists" like Mandela commend more respect from me than cowardly bootlickers such as you.
4/12/2012 5:05:14 AM
I like how the white supremacists act like they're a fearsome warrior caste, but shit their pants whenever a black person has even a slight modicum of power (see: Obama is a "muslim" and other nonsense).
4/13/2012 6:00:29 AM
@ Brendan Rizzo
Okay. Go find another country that, when you rip off the propaganda, isn't a hellhole, in your self-righteous opinion.
Tell me. I'd really like to see it.
Also-Trayvon Martin's death set off a national inquiry into the justice system. In the 1960s, it would have been ignored.
Think about it.
4/13/2012 7:26:36 AM
Rabbit of Caerbannog
I think I know the problem
Brendan is experiencing. We need a warning label on these quotes.
4/13/2012 9:57:02 AM
Well, Canada seems like an awesome place.
And if the Trayvon Martin case had happened anywhere else, nobody would have defended Zimmerman even for a moment.
4/13/2012 12:02:15 PM
Rabbit of Caerbannog
Is anyone really going to take a guy seriously on the subject of Nelson Mandela when he just referred to Jim Crow as "self protective"? Yeah, didn't think so.
4/13/2012 6:22:23 PM
@ Brendan Rizzo:
First: The legal defense of Zimmerman is actually due to a law which, while stupid, isn't related to racism at all.
Second: Ask yourself what would happen if Trayvvon was a Muslim / Arab in Europe.
4/14/2012 6:06:05 AM
By that definition, the Founding Fathers were terrorists.
4/14/2012 2:06:48 PM